Do U know BTK? - Page 5

Nubian Nut · 11-30-2004, 05:58 PM

BTK describes his background
Since March 2004, BTK has sent numerous communications to the media and the police. In
these letters, he has provided certain background information about himself, which he claims is
accurate.
Based upon a review of that information, the following facts about BTK are being made available
to the public in the hopes of identifying BTK:
• He claims he was born in 1939, which would make his current age 64 or 65.
• His father died in World War II, and his mother raised him.
• His mother was forced to work, so his grandparents cared for him.
• His mother worked during the day near the railroad.
• He had a cousin named Susan, who moved to Missouri.
• His family moved a lot, but always lived near a railroad.
• His grandfather played the fiddle and died of a lung disease.
• His mother started dating a railroad detective when BTK was around 11 years old. This
relationship would have occurred during the years 1950-1955.
• In the early 1950s he built and operated a ham radio.
• He has participated in outdoor hobbies including hunting, fishing and camping.
• As a youth he attended church and Sunday school.
--more--
• He had a female, Hispanic acquaintance named Petra, who had a younger sister named
Tina.
• Around 1960, he went to tech military school. He then joined the military for active duty
and was discharged in 1966.
• He has a basic knowledge of photography and the ability to develop and print pictures.
• In 1966 he moved back in with his mother who had re-married and was renting out part
of her house.
• His first job was as an electro-mechanic, requiring some travel.
• After attending more tech school, he worked repairing copiers and business equipment;
this sometimes required travel and he was away from home for extended periods.
• He admits to soliciting prostitutes.
• He has a lifetime fascination with railroads and trains.
Based upon the investigation to date, police believe that BTK:
• Frequented the WSU campus in the early 1970s.
• Was acquainted with PJ Wyatt, who taught a folklore class at WSU during the 1970s.
• Has written or still writes poetry. An example of this is the “Oh Anna, Why Didn’t You
Appear” poem and the “Oh! Death to Nancy” poem that were released in earlier media
advisories.
• Utilized fake identification to gain access to people’s homes or to conduct surveillance.
Based upon the information contained in the letter, police are again asking for help from the
public. Police want to talk to any citizen who currently knows, or recalls anyone having a similar
background to the one described above.
Citizens with information who are calling locally are asked to call 383-8273; those calling from
outside the Wichita area are asked to call 1-800-SOLVBTK (1-800-765-8285). They can also
e-mail information to coldcase@wichita.gov or mail information to Cold Case, P.O. Box 9202,
Wichita, KS 67277-0202.

**Iowanian** · 12-02-2004, 11:01 AM

I think they should hang a guy that does that from his sack, and let the family members of his victims have at him like a Pinata....beat him until the candy comes out.

Monty · 12-02-2004, 11:01 AM

MSNBC link with Pic:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6635554

RedNFeisty · 12-02-2004, 11:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Iowanian

I think they should hang a guy that does that from his sack, and let the family members of his victims have at him like a Pinata....beat him until the candy comes out.

Sounds reasonable to me.

**Rain Man** · 12-02-2004, 11:22 AM

Just for health reasons, though, please know that what comes out isn't really candy.

RedNFeisty · 12-02-2004, 11:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rain Man

Just for health reasons, though, please know that what comes out isn't really candy.

With all the other innuendo's in other threads we thought we would carry it over to this thread.

Nubian Nut · 12-02-2004, 02:02 PM

It appears police may have made a major break in the BTK serial killer case. Wichita police raided a house Wednesday night and arrested a 64-year-old man.

The house is in the 1400 block of East Mount Vernon in Wichita.

Officers arrested 64-year-old Roger Valadez and booked him on outstanding warrants for trespass and a domestic violence case from 1995.

We do know KBI agents were at the scene and witnesses saw them taking out bags of what may have been evidence.

Wichita Police will not comment on the arrest except to say this is just another lead in the BTK serial killer case.

One of the unusual aspects of the case is that Valadez is reportedly being held on a $40,000 bond. Many consider that a high amount for the misdemeanor charges against him.

The Associated Press is reporting that Valadez' DNA is being checked by officials.

He will reportedly be arraigned Thursday afternoon.

Who is BTK?

In January 1974, police found four members of the Otero family slain in the 800 block of North Edgemoor.

In April 1974, Kathryn Bright was murdered in her home in the 3200 block of East 13th Street. BTK later claimed responsibility.

Three years later, in March 1977, officials found the body of Shirley Viann at her home at 1311 South Hydraulic.

Then in December of 1977, Nancy Fox was murdered at 843 South Pershing.

Authorities also pinned the September 1986 murder of Vicki Wegerle on BTK after he sent a letter to the Wichita Eagle in March of 2004. Wegerle was murdered in her home in the 2400 block of West 13th Street.

What's the connection?

Shirley Vian was murdered by BTK in 1977. Valadez purchased his home about half a mile away from Vian's home in 1976.

In a profile released Tuesday by Wichita Police, it was noted that BTK had been in the military. Two vehicles at Valadez' home have veteran plates.

The profile also stated BTK had an interest in trains and lived close to railroad tracks.Valadez' home is just across the street from a set of railroad tracks.

Police were staking out the house Wednesday during the day. They approached the home around 7:30 p.m. and made their arrest.

Who is Roger Valadez?

Valadez was born in 1940. He has lived in the home on Mt. Vernon for 28 years.

Court records indicate Valadez was arrested in 2000 on 24 counts of fraud and obtaining unemployment benefits.Because he had no prior record, he was given a diversion.

Valadez comes from a large family with four brothers and three sisters.One of his brothers died this past January.

Neighbors say Valadez is divorced and has three grown children of his own.In fact, one daughter and a grandchild share the home with Valadez.

Neighbors react

When neighbors awoke to the news that one of their neighbors had been arrested they were shocked.

Wes and Dorothy Barrow sold Valadez his home in 1976.

"I was totally shocked.We drive by here almost every day. We have said he has let the house run down," said Dorothy. "He has his toys for little kids out here in the yard but during the summer you would not see one child around those toys."

While most neighbors were shocked by news that their neighbor may be BTK, others were not so surprised.

"It's like, when we walk by, he won't look at us and turn away.He just stares at us as we walk," said one teenage girl in the neighborhood.

Other neighbors say Valadez was quiet, kept to himself and was rarely seen by those who live near him.

BTK author reacts

Author Robert Beattie is in the process of writing a book about BTK.He urges the public to be cautious about assuming Valadez is responsible for the BTK killings.

He points out that many years ago another man was arrested for the Otero murders then let him go.

But Beattie also said he would not be surprised if there is a connection.

Earlier this week, police released personal information about BTK that was provided by the killer himself.Beattie said police will probably find more than one man who fits that profile.

Beattie also said he doesn't understand why BTK would provide police with so many clues.

"This guy's behavior is not what most people would consider, I don't think anybody would consider, rational -- either his behavior as far as committing the crimes or in communicating with the police and the press," said Beattie.

Beattie said one of the victim's families called him Thursday morning and was very tearful and uncertain about these latest developments.

Where did the tip come from?

There are many amateur investigators around Wichita who have tried to solve the BTK case. Now it appears one of them may have provided evidence that led police to the house on Mt. Vernon.

Two women in the right place at the right time may have witnessed the tip that ended the hunt for BTK.

Tia Ortiz and Tina Foults are sisters. They were at the south police substation Wednesday to file a complaint involving a personal matter when, they say, that's when a man walked in and told police he knew the exact identity of BTK and provided plenty of evidence to back up his claim.

"He had direct pictures of the front of the house, side of the house, vehicles. He pointed out to the Police Department that they were veterans and that BTK was military and the railroad tracks also," said Ortiz.

The sisters say the tipster has tried for years to convince Wichita Police the man who lives in the house is BTK.

"When he left there, he slammed his hand on the door holding the pictures. He pushed the door open and he was out of there," said Foults.

"Because the officers were laughing him off," said Ortiz.

But before he left, the man was given the number of a detective working the BTK case. If he made the call and provided valuable evidence, this mystery man may have helped break the BTK case.

Tia and Tina say they were shocked by what they saw on the news this morning.

"I'd been up all night long. I woke my sister up at 6:00 this morning and said 'Tina, the house the guy showed the police officers is on TV. They arrested somebody,' said Ortiz.

"I was like, 'no way,'" said Foults.

They may have witnessed history, but it is important to remember that police have not confirmed that information provided at the South Substation Wednesday had anything to do with the arrest on Mt. Vernon Wednesday evening.

It is also important to note that police have not made a connection between Valadez and the BTK murders.

**Lzen** · 12-02-2004, 03:53 PM

Wow, if this Valadez turns out to be BTK, those officers that laughed off that guy are going to feel really stupid. Maybe that attitude is part of the reason he hasn't been caught.

Ghostof · 12-02-2004, 04:28 PM

Wichita is a shiathole, no one cares about that town.

regardless if the best running back ever came out of wichita...thats the only shining light in that void.

wichita is crime infested, inbred capital of the world.

**Skip Towne** · 12-02-2004, 04:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Saggysack

I'd go for that. Considering the guy killed women and children and jacked off on their dead bodies, he would deserve the public execution.

DNA evidence?

Abba-Dabba · 12-02-2004, 04:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ghostof

Wichita is a shiathole, no one cares about that town.

regardless if the best running back ever came out of wichita...thats the only shining light in that void.

wichita is crime infested, inbred capital of the world.

Thank you!....

Thank you very much for showing everyone how much of a dumbass you are.

Abba-Dabba · 12-02-2004, 04:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skip Towne

DNA evidence?

Yipper Skipper.

**Rain Man** · 12-02-2004, 04:53 PM

I drove through Wichita over Thanksgiving, and it was the first time I ever set foot in the town. (Actually, I didn't stop, so I set wheel more than set foot.) Anyway, I like to think that maybe I played some small role in capturing this guy.

RedNFeisty · 12-02-2004, 04:59 PM

Just heard, it wasn't him. BTK is still out there.

Brock · 12-02-2004, 05:01 PM

They turned him loose.

http://www.kansas.com/mld/eagle/10322517.htm

I'm sure none of his neighbors will hold it against him.

Pants · 12-02-2004, 05:01 PM

Has Skip posted since the news came in?

EDIT: Dammit people, you had to ruin it.

11-30-2004, 05:58 PM
Nubian Nut Make my Funk the P-Funk..... Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Des Moines, Iowa Casino cash: $3495191	Do U know BTK? BTK describes his background Since March 2004, BTK has sent numerous communications to the media and the police. In these letters, he has provided certain background information about himself, which he claims is accurate. Based upon a review of that information, the following facts about BTK are being made available to the public in the hopes of identifying BTK: • He claims he was born in 1939, which would make his current age 64 or 65. • His father died in World War II, and his mother raised him. • His mother was forced to work, so his grandparents cared for him. • His mother worked during the day near the railroad. • He had a cousin named Susan, who moved to Missouri. • His family moved a lot, but always lived near a railroad. • His grandfather played the fiddle and died of a lung disease. • His mother started dating a railroad detective when BTK was around 11 years old. This relationship would have occurred during the years 1950-1955. • In the early 1950s he built and operated a ham radio. • He has participated in outdoor hobbies including hunting, fishing and camping. • As a youth he attended church and Sunday school. --more-- • He had a female, Hispanic acquaintance named Petra, who had a younger sister named Tina. • Around 1960, he went to tech military school. He then joined the military for active duty and was discharged in 1966. • He has a basic knowledge of photography and the ability to develop and print pictures. • In 1966 he moved back in with his mother who had re-married and was renting out part of her house. • His first job was as an electro-mechanic, requiring some travel. • After attending more tech school, he worked repairing copiers and business equipment; this sometimes required travel and he was away from home for extended periods. • He admits to soliciting prostitutes. • He has a lifetime fascination with railroads and trains. Based upon the investigation to date, police believe that BTK: • Frequented the WSU campus in the early 1970s. • Was acquainted with PJ Wyatt, who taught a folklore class at WSU during the 1970s. • Has written or still writes poetry. An example of this is the “Oh Anna, Why Didn’t You Appear” poem and the “Oh! Death to Nancy” poem that were released in earlier media advisories. • Utilized fake identification to gain access to people’s homes or to conduct surveillance. Based upon the information contained in the letter, police are again asking for help from the public. Police want to talk to any citizen who currently knows, or recalls anyone having a similar background to the one described above. Citizens with information who are calling locally are asked to call 383-8273; those calling from outside the Wichita area are asked to call 1-800-SOLVBTK (1-800-765-8285). They can also e-mail information to coldcase@wichita.gov or mail information to Cold Case, P.O. Box 9202, Wichita, KS 67277-0202.
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12-02-2004, 02:02 PM	#66
Nubian Nut Make my Funk the P-Funk..... Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Des Moines, Iowa Casino cash: $3495191	It appears police may have made a major break in the BTK serial killer case. Wichita police raided a house Wednesday night and arrested a 64-year-old man. The house is in the 1400 block of East Mount Vernon in Wichita. Officers arrested 64-year-old Roger Valadez and booked him on outstanding warrants for trespass and a domestic violence case from 1995. We do know KBI agents were at the scene and witnesses saw them taking out bags of what may have been evidence. Wichita Police will not comment on the arrest except to say this is just another lead in the BTK serial killer case. One of the unusual aspects of the case is that Valadez is reportedly being held on a $40,000 bond. Many consider that a high amount for the misdemeanor charges against him. The Associated Press is reporting that Valadez' DNA is being checked by officials. He will reportedly be arraigned Thursday afternoon. Who is BTK? In January 1974, police found four members of the Otero family slain in the 800 block of North Edgemoor. In April 1974, Kathryn Bright was murdered in her home in the 3200 block of East 13th Street. BTK later claimed responsibility. Three years later, in March 1977, officials found the body of Shirley Viann at her home at 1311 South Hydraulic. Then in December of 1977, Nancy Fox was murdered at 843 South Pershing. Authorities also pinned the September 1986 murder of Vicki Wegerle on BTK after he sent a letter to the Wichita Eagle in March of 2004. Wegerle was murdered in her home in the 2400 block of West 13th Street. What's the connection? Shirley Vian was murdered by BTK in 1977. Valadez purchased his home about half a mile away from Vian's home in 1976. In a profile released Tuesday by Wichita Police, it was noted that BTK had been in the military. Two vehicles at Valadez' home have veteran plates. The profile also stated BTK had an interest in trains and lived close to railroad tracks.Valadez' home is just across the street from a set of railroad tracks. Police were staking out the house Wednesday during the day. They approached the home around 7:30 p.m. and made their arrest. Who is Roger Valadez? Valadez was born in 1940. He has lived in the home on Mt. Vernon for 28 years. Court records indicate Valadez was arrested in 2000 on 24 counts of fraud and obtaining unemployment benefits.Because he had no prior record, he was given a diversion. Valadez comes from a large family with four brothers and three sisters.One of his brothers died this past January. Neighbors say Valadez is divorced and has three grown children of his own.In fact, one daughter and a grandchild share the home with Valadez. Neighbors react When neighbors awoke to the news that one of their neighbors had been arrested they were shocked. Wes and Dorothy Barrow sold Valadez his home in 1976. "I was totally shocked.We drive by here almost every day. We have said he has let the house run down," said Dorothy. "He has his toys for little kids out here in the yard but during the summer you would not see one child around those toys." While most neighbors were shocked by news that their neighbor may be BTK, others were not so surprised. "It's like, when we walk by, he won't look at us and turn away.He just stares at us as we walk," said one teenage girl in the neighborhood. Other neighbors say Valadez was quiet, kept to himself and was rarely seen by those who live near him. BTK author reacts Author Robert Beattie is in the process of writing a book about BTK.He urges the public to be cautious about assuming Valadez is responsible for the BTK killings. He points out that many years ago another man was arrested for the Otero murders then let him go. But Beattie also said he would not be surprised if there is a connection. Earlier this week, police released personal information about BTK that was provided by the killer himself.Beattie said police will probably find more than one man who fits that profile. Beattie also said he doesn't understand why BTK would provide police with so many clues. "This guy's behavior is not what most people would consider, I don't think anybody would consider, rational -- either his behavior as far as committing the crimes or in communicating with the police and the press," said Beattie. Beattie said one of the victim's families called him Thursday morning and was very tearful and uncertain about these latest developments. Where did the tip come from? There are many amateur investigators around Wichita who have tried to solve the BTK case. Now it appears one of them may have provided evidence that led police to the house on Mt. Vernon. Two women in the right place at the right time may have witnessed the tip that ended the hunt for BTK. Tia Ortiz and Tina Foults are sisters. They were at the south police substation Wednesday to file a complaint involving a personal matter when, they say, that's when a man walked in and told police he knew the exact identity of BTK and provided plenty of evidence to back up his claim. "He had direct pictures of the front of the house, side of the house, vehicles. He pointed out to the Police Department that they were veterans and that BTK was military and the railroad tracks also," said Ortiz. The sisters say the tipster has tried for years to convince Wichita Police the man who lives in the house is BTK. "When he left there, he slammed his hand on the door holding the pictures. He pushed the door open and he was out of there," said Foults. "Because the officers were laughing him off," said Ortiz. But before he left, the man was given the number of a detective working the BTK case. If he made the call and provided valuable evidence, this mystery man may have helped break the BTK case. Tia and Tina say they were shocked by what they saw on the news this morning. "I'd been up all night long. I woke my sister up at 6:00 this morning and said 'Tina, the house the guy showed the police officers is on TV. They arrested somebody,' said Ortiz. "I was like, 'no way,'" said Foults. They may have witnessed history, but it is important to remember that police have not confirmed that information provided at the South Substation Wednesday had anything to do with the arrest on Mt. Vernon Wednesday evening. It is also important to note that police have not made a connection between Valadez and the BTK murders.
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12-02-2004, 03:53 PM	#67
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Rain Man Seize life. Be an ermine. Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: My house Casino cash: $-562449 VARSITY	I drove through Wichita over Thanksgiving, and it was the first time I ever set foot in the town. (Actually, I didn't stop, so I set wheel more than set foot.) Anyway, I like to think that maybe I played some small role in capturing this guy. __________________ Active fan of the greatest team in NFL history.
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