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tk13 · 01-18-2005, 02:28 AM

http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansas...s/10668159.htm

Vermeil: Defensive coaches staying

By ADAM TEICHER The Kansas City Star

Despite pressure to improve a defense that finished next to last in yards allowed, Chiefs coach Dick Vermeil said Monday that he will make no changes to his defensive staff.

Vermeil was encouraged by president/general manager Carl Peterson to make some moves, particularly at defensive back. Peter Giunta and Vernon Dean coached a secondary that allowed more passing yards than any other NFL team.

Vermeil took the two weeks since the Chiefs' season-ending loss in San Diego to ponder changes. He returned to his Arrowhead Stadium office Monday, saying that while all of his assistants would be welcome to return, he also expected better results next season.

“The only way any football coach is evaluated is on how many games they won,” Vermeil said. “Since we won only seven games, everybody on this staff, including me, is evaluated as below average. An 8-8 record would have meant we were average.”

Although the Chiefs played poorly on defense since he joined the Chiefs in 2001, Vermeil has remained steadfastly loyal to his assistants. He resisted pressure from Peterson to replace coordinator Greg Robinson two years ago.

The only defensive staff changes were made last year when Vermeil accepted Robinson's resignation and linebackers coach Joe Vitt left for the Rams.

Giunta and Dean are under scrutiny after many of the defensive backs had poor seasons. The play of safeties Greg Wesley and Jerome Woods slipped noticeably. Young cornerbacks William Bartee and Julian Battle failed to develop into reliable players.

Vermeil said his coaches weren't to blame.

“Peter Giunta is no more guilty now than he was 100 percent responsible for the Super Bowl championship defense and the secondary he coached with the Rams,” Vermeil said. “They coached the players we give them to coach to the best of their ability. Do I blame them if a guy blows a coverage or breaks down fundamentally? No.

“If I thought they were doing a poor job of that, I would handle that. But I don't think that's true.”

Vermeil last year replaced Robinson with Gunther Cunningham and Vitt with Fred Pagac, but otherwise made few changes to defensive personnel. The Chiefs were even worse defensively. They allowed 103 more points and 330 additional yards and forced 17 fewer turnovers.

The Chiefs would have a second offensive staff departure if quarterback coach Jason Verduzco departs. He is a candidate to become offensive coordinator on Robinson's staff at Syracuse, where he recently became head coach.

Tight-ends coach Keith Rowen left two weeks ago to become offensive coordinator for the Arizona Cardinals. He is replaced by Terry Shea, a former Chiefs assistant who spent one year with Chicago.

Hammock Parties · 01-18-2005, 03:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Phobia

Oh CHRIST.

You though Skip Towne hated you before?

Wait until he sees this one. Holy shit. I think I'm gonna have to email him.

Jack Del Rio

You do know that Jack was a Scab who assaulted the Chiefs most beloved WR in '82, don't you?

I had no idea.

I still think he's a good head coach.

splatbass · 01-18-2005, 03:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Phobia

Oh CHRIST.

You do know that Jack was a Scab who assaulted the Chiefs most beloved WR in '82, don't you?

I think it was '86, but your point still stands...

01-18-2005, 03:10 AM

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Originally Posted by splatbass

I think it was '86, but your point still stands...

Oh. Well. Thanks.

teedubya · 01-18-2005, 03:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Phobia

Oh CHRIST.

You though Skip Towne hated you before?

Wait until he sees this one. Holy shit. I think I'm gonna have to email him.

Jack Del Rio

You do know that Jack was a Scab who assaulted the Chiefs most beloved WR in '82, don't you?

who? Stephone Paige? Or Carlos Carson? Or JJ Birden? Or uh, Lake Dawson?

Hammock Parties · 01-18-2005, 03:12 AM

86?

I thought Otis Taylor was the most beloved WR.

So are you talking about Carson or Paige?

teedubya · 01-18-2005, 03:13 AM

Head coach JACK DEL RIO played LB for Chiefs from 1987-88

01-18-2005, 03:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Ali Chi3fs

who? Stephone Paige? Or Carlos Carson? Or JJ Birden? Or uh, Lake Dawson?

Otis. He worked in the FO at the time.

teedubya · 01-18-2005, 03:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Phobia

Otis. He worked in the FO at the time.

thank you google...

New Panthers coach mixed it up with Chiefs legend
By JEFFREY FLANAGAN

Former Chiefs linebacker Jack Del Rio is expected to be introduced as head coach of the Jacksonville Jaguars today. When you mention the name Del Rio in these parts, you can't help but think of Otis Taylor as well.

Del Rio and Taylor were involved in one of the ugliest incidents in the 1987 NFL strike, the last time the NFL went on strike.

Del Rio, along with several other players, was picketing outside the stadium offices when Taylor, then a Chiefs scout, tried to walk through the line with some replacement players he had scouted.

Del Rio did not recognize Taylor and thought he was a replacement player, too. Taylor said Del Rio called him a "dirty scab" and a "lowlife."

A scuffle ensued, and witnesses reported that Del Rio got Taylor in a headlock and body-slammed him to the ground. Another striking player, Dino Hackett, and sports agent Charles Meek eventually separated the players.

Kansas City Star sportswriter Randy Covitz was covering the strike story and was on the scene. He said once Del Rio finally recognized Taylor, Del Rio said, "Hey, Otis, I used to love watching you. You were a great player."

Taylor did not take the incident lightly and filed a criminal complaint against Del Rio. But the Kansas City prosecutor did not file charges.

Taylor then filed a $1 million lawsuit against Del Rio, player representative Nick Lowery and the NFL Players Association. The case was settled out of court two years later.

Taylor, who recently retired from Blue Cross and Blue Shield, could not be reached for comment Thursday.

TRR · 01-18-2005, 03:30 AM

It doesn't matter who we have coaching our defensive backs as long as we have scrubs like McCleon, Bartee, and Battle back there.

We need to upgrade the defense by adding more talented players. We tried the "coaching" change last offseason. It didn't work.

**KcMizzou** · 01-18-2005, 03:32 AM

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Originally Posted by TRR

It doesn't matter who we have coaching our defensive backs as long as we have scrubs like McCleon, Bartee, and Battle back there.

We need to upgrade the defense by adding more talented players. We tried the "coaching" change last offseason. It didn't work.

Hey! You're that bastard that started the rumor about Trotter!

01-18-2005, 03:33 AM

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Originally Posted by TRR

It doesn't matter who we have coaching our defensive backs as long as we have scrubs like McCleon, Bartee, and Battle back there.

We need to upgrade the defense by adding more talented players. We tried the "coaching" change last offseason. It didn't work.

That's crap. You seen the DB's the Patriots are fielding lately?

The Patriots could put me in the defensive backfield and hold the Colts to 10 (I'd probably give up at least 1 TD to Marv).

tk13 · 01-18-2005, 03:34 AM

Just as we say this, the Super Bowl video from Vermeil's SB loss with the Eagles is on ESPN right now.... if only we could trade our defense for that team's defense...

Hammock Parties · 01-18-2005, 03:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Phobia

That's crap. You seen the DB's the Patriots are fielding lately?

The Patriots could put me in the defensive backfield and hold the Colts to 10 (I'd probably give up at least 1 TD to Marv).

Believe it or not, the Patriots defensive backfield even with their injuries, has alot of talent in it. Granted, it's YOUNG talent, but they have done a great job of drafting.

Their front seven and the game conditions helped them alot against the Colts though.

01-18-2005, 03:39 AM

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Originally Posted by GoatCheese

Believe it or not, the Patriots defensive backfield even with their injuries, has alot of talent in it. Granted, it's YOUNG talent, but they have done a great job of drafting.

Their front seven and the game conditions helped them alot against the Colts though.

Dude, they're playing an undrafted rookie and a WR as their 2nd corner and nickel.

**KcMizzou** · 01-18-2005, 03:40 AM

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Originally Posted by tk13

Just as we say this, the Super Bowl video from Vermeil's SB loss with the Eagles is on ESPN right now.... if only we could trade our defense for that team's defense...

Wow.. DV looks really, really young.

Obvious I know...

01-18-2005, 02:28 AM
tk13 ... Join Date: Nov 2001 Casino cash: $-1667500	Teicher: No changes in defensive coaching staff http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansas...s/10668159.htm Vermeil: Defensive coaches staying By ADAM TEICHER The Kansas City Star Despite pressure to improve a defense that finished next to last in yards allowed, Chiefs coach Dick Vermeil said Monday that he will make no changes to his defensive staff. Vermeil was encouraged by president/general manager Carl Peterson to make some moves, particularly at defensive back. Peter Giunta and Vernon Dean coached a secondary that allowed more passing yards than any other NFL team. Vermeil took the two weeks since the Chiefs' season-ending loss in San Diego to ponder changes. He returned to his Arrowhead Stadium office Monday, saying that while all of his assistants would be welcome to return, he also expected better results next season. “The only way any football coach is evaluated is on how many games they won,” Vermeil said. “Since we won only seven games, everybody on this staff, including me, is evaluated as below average. An 8-8 record would have meant we were average.” Although the Chiefs played poorly on defense since he joined the Chiefs in 2001, Vermeil has remained steadfastly loyal to his assistants. He resisted pressure from Peterson to replace coordinator Greg Robinson two years ago. The only defensive staff changes were made last year when Vermeil accepted Robinson's resignation and linebackers coach Joe Vitt left for the Rams. Giunta and Dean are under scrutiny after many of the defensive backs had poor seasons. The play of safeties Greg Wesley and Jerome Woods slipped noticeably. Young cornerbacks William Bartee and Julian Battle failed to develop into reliable players. Vermeil said his coaches weren't to blame. “Peter Giunta is no more guilty now than he was 100 percent responsible for the Super Bowl championship defense and the secondary he coached with the Rams,” Vermeil said. “They coached the players we give them to coach to the best of their ability. Do I blame them if a guy blows a coverage or breaks down fundamentally? No. “If I thought they were doing a poor job of that, I would handle that. But I don't think that's true.” Vermeil last year replaced Robinson with Gunther Cunningham and Vitt with Fred Pagac, but otherwise made few changes to defensive personnel. The Chiefs were even worse defensively. They allowed 103 more points and 330 additional yards and forced 17 fewer turnovers. The Chiefs would have a second offensive staff departure if quarterback coach Jason Verduzco departs. He is a candidate to become offensive coordinator on Robinson's staff at Syracuse, where he recently became head coach. Tight-ends coach Keith Rowen left two weeks ago to become offensive coordinator for the Arizona Cardinals. He is replaced by Terry Shea, a former Chiefs assistant who spent one year with Chicago.
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