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tk13 · 01-18-2005, 02:28 AM

http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansas...s/10668159.htm

Vermeil: Defensive coaches staying

By ADAM TEICHER The Kansas City Star

Despite pressure to improve a defense that finished next to last in yards allowed, Chiefs coach Dick Vermeil said Monday that he will make no changes to his defensive staff.

Vermeil was encouraged by president/general manager Carl Peterson to make some moves, particularly at defensive back. Peter Giunta and Vernon Dean coached a secondary that allowed more passing yards than any other NFL team.

Vermeil took the two weeks since the Chiefs' season-ending loss in San Diego to ponder changes. He returned to his Arrowhead Stadium office Monday, saying that while all of his assistants would be welcome to return, he also expected better results next season.

“The only way any football coach is evaluated is on how many games they won,” Vermeil said. “Since we won only seven games, everybody on this staff, including me, is evaluated as below average. An 8-8 record would have meant we were average.”

Although the Chiefs played poorly on defense since he joined the Chiefs in 2001, Vermeil has remained steadfastly loyal to his assistants. He resisted pressure from Peterson to replace coordinator Greg Robinson two years ago.

The only defensive staff changes were made last year when Vermeil accepted Robinson's resignation and linebackers coach Joe Vitt left for the Rams.

Giunta and Dean are under scrutiny after many of the defensive backs had poor seasons. The play of safeties Greg Wesley and Jerome Woods slipped noticeably. Young cornerbacks William Bartee and Julian Battle failed to develop into reliable players.

Vermeil said his coaches weren't to blame.

“Peter Giunta is no more guilty now than he was 100 percent responsible for the Super Bowl championship defense and the secondary he coached with the Rams,” Vermeil said. “They coached the players we give them to coach to the best of their ability. Do I blame them if a guy blows a coverage or breaks down fundamentally? No.

“If I thought they were doing a poor job of that, I would handle that. But I don't think that's true.”

Vermeil last year replaced Robinson with Gunther Cunningham and Vitt with Fred Pagac, but otherwise made few changes to defensive personnel. The Chiefs were even worse defensively. They allowed 103 more points and 330 additional yards and forced 17 fewer turnovers.

The Chiefs would have a second offensive staff departure if quarterback coach Jason Verduzco departs. He is a candidate to become offensive coordinator on Robinson's staff at Syracuse, where he recently became head coach.

Tight-ends coach Keith Rowen left two weeks ago to become offensive coordinator for the Arizona Cardinals. He is replaced by Terry Shea, a former Chiefs assistant who spent one year with Chicago.

ROYC75 · 01-18-2005, 08:26 AM

This is sad news, but it is what I expected of him. With all the coaches and staff only signed for the next year, I see why DV did this.

As a coach, who wants to come to KC for 1 year, a year where there is a good chance to meet failure ?

old_geezer · 01-18-2005, 08:34 AM

I might also add that this is object lesson #1 in why it's not a good idea to hire your friend and good buddy to be head coach. If Marty or Gun pulled this same crap they'd be gone already, but Carl can't (or won"t) fire his good buddy Dick.

Red Dawg · 01-18-2005, 08:46 AM

The players need to change, not the coaches. No coach teaches not to turn your head around and look for the ball. Or to blow assignments. We need players that play better and understand the defense and where they are suppose to be at.

tomahawk kid · 01-18-2005, 08:46 AM

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Originally Posted by old_geezer

I might also add that this is object lesson #1 in why it's not a good idea to hire your friend and good buddy to be head coach. If Marty or Gun pulled this same crap they'd be gone already, but Carl can't (or won"t) fire his good buddy Dick.

Firing is too good for this gray haired old fuck.

His complete lack of respect and accountability to and for this franchise, along with its fans, deserves a savage fucking beating and a one way ticket back to his p#ssy a$$ ranch in PA.

He's done absolutely nothing for this organization.

And to think I was excited when he landed here. This fuck is more worried about his "friends" on the coaching staff than winning a championship - its that simple. I'm glad that we've become a haven for the "limber dick club" of NFL coaches. It really makes me want to go out and pay even more cash for tickets and merchandise (sarcasm).

The sooner we get "Dick" and his loser buddy Carl out of this town, the better.

What a complete b!tch.

DaWolf · 01-18-2005, 08:49 AM

OK fine Dick, then if this is the case, admit that you guys were dumbasses for sticking with Bartee and drafting Battle and go out and get new corners if these guys are such excellent coaches.

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Do I blame them if a guy blows a coverage or breaks down fundamentally? No.

And here I was thinking that a coach is SUPPOSED to teach fundamentals and get his lessons across in a way where the guy won't be breaking down fundamentally time and time again. I guess this is an admission that this is the DUMBEST group of DB's in the history of the league too.

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“Peter Giunta is no more guilty now than he was 100 percent responsible for the Super Bowl championship defense and the secondary he coached with the Rams,” Vermeil said.

I'm sure he also wasn't responsible for the last place defense the Rams fielded the very next year either, once John Bunting left as the co-defensive coordinator. At least Martz had the balls to get rid of the guy.

All I know is this: in 1999 the Rams front office stepped in and forced Vermeil's hand to change his staff. Since Carl isn't doing the same thing here and forcing Vermeil's hand, it is ultimately Carl's responsibility. So Carl, you damn well better have the offseason of your life and get these brilliant coaches some players, otherwise you're gonna be sending your dream coach home with a broken legacy instead of riding off into the sunset...

htismaqe · 01-18-2005, 08:50 AM

so I take it everybody is now ready to take seriously what I posted LAST week, from Holthus?

htismaqe · 01-18-2005, 08:52 AM

Vermeil = Gunther

kc rush · 01-18-2005, 08:55 AM

How many times did we hear Dick say that they failed as coaches to prepare the players to play? Fans and the media were too tough on the players, because they have talent. Dick saw it on the practice field every day.

Now that it means that his friends may have to go, it is the players fault for not being talented enough.

Which is it Dick? Either way changes need to be made and Dick doesn't seem to have the balls to do it. He doesn't want to move outside of his comfort zone to build something truly great and Carl doesn't want to upset his buddy. Hooray for mediocrity.

I wonder what Gunther has to say about all of this. I wonder what Lamar has to say.

Dr. Johnny Fever · 01-18-2005, 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by tk13

“They coached the players we give them to coach to the best of their ability."

Well maayyyyyybe Dick is finally admitting that the players aren't good enough. Now if we could just get him to believe that he and the defensive coaches aren't good enough we might start getting somewhere.

**morphius** · 01-18-2005, 09:09 AM

If after every loss you say that you as a coaching staff need to do a better job at coaching the players, well, who is the real problem?

Oh well, I can almost guarntee that the reason that DV doesn't want to make any changes is because he knows it is his last year here and doesn't think he would be able to get anyone good to come in here for what is basically a one year job.

Gunther and Carl need to step in and tell DV that they gave him a chance to do it, but they need to make the changes anyway.

Dr. Johnny Fever · 01-18-2005, 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by morphius

If after every loss you say that you as a coaching staff need to do a better job at coaching the players, well, who is the real problem?

Oh well, I can almost guarntee that the reason that DV doesn't want to make any changes is because he knows it is his last year here and doesn't think he would be able to get anyone good to come in here for what is basically a one year job.

Gunther and Carl need to step in and tell DV that they gave him a chance to do it, but they need to make the changes anyway.

100% agree. He had to be forced in St. Louis and it won them a Super -Bowl. It needs to be done here.

Dick would make a great offensive coordinator.

brent102fire · 01-18-2005, 09:23 AM

Shouldn't Gunther have a say in who the defensive coaches are going to be? There was nothing said about how Gun feels and that frightens me a little bit

shaneo69 · 01-18-2005, 09:25 AM

This just pisses me off. Every fucking time that Vermiel brings up a Super Bowl that him or one of his coaches won elsewhere, I just wanna fucking strangle him.

htismaqe · 01-18-2005, 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by beer me

100% agree. He had to be forced in St. Louis and it won them a Super -Bowl. It needs to be done here.

Dick would make a great offensive coordinator.

Dick would make a great RETIRED HEAD COACH.

Sure-Oz · 01-18-2005, 09:32 AM

I am glad this is dicks last year, i really hope we win it all and he goes out on top again but its time for another HC.

01-18-2005, 02:28 AM
tk13 ... Join Date: Nov 2001 Casino cash: $-1677500	Teicher: No changes in defensive coaching staff http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansas...s/10668159.htm Vermeil: Defensive coaches staying By ADAM TEICHER The Kansas City Star Despite pressure to improve a defense that finished next to last in yards allowed, Chiefs coach Dick Vermeil said Monday that he will make no changes to his defensive staff. Vermeil was encouraged by president/general manager Carl Peterson to make some moves, particularly at defensive back. Peter Giunta and Vernon Dean coached a secondary that allowed more passing yards than any other NFL team. Vermeil took the two weeks since the Chiefs' season-ending loss in San Diego to ponder changes. He returned to his Arrowhead Stadium office Monday, saying that while all of his assistants would be welcome to return, he also expected better results next season. “The only way any football coach is evaluated is on how many games they won,” Vermeil said. “Since we won only seven games, everybody on this staff, including me, is evaluated as below average. An 8-8 record would have meant we were average.” Although the Chiefs played poorly on defense since he joined the Chiefs in 2001, Vermeil has remained steadfastly loyal to his assistants. He resisted pressure from Peterson to replace coordinator Greg Robinson two years ago. The only defensive staff changes were made last year when Vermeil accepted Robinson's resignation and linebackers coach Joe Vitt left for the Rams. Giunta and Dean are under scrutiny after many of the defensive backs had poor seasons. The play of safeties Greg Wesley and Jerome Woods slipped noticeably. Young cornerbacks William Bartee and Julian Battle failed to develop into reliable players. Vermeil said his coaches weren't to blame. “Peter Giunta is no more guilty now than he was 100 percent responsible for the Super Bowl championship defense and the secondary he coached with the Rams,” Vermeil said. “They coached the players we give them to coach to the best of their ability. Do I blame them if a guy blows a coverage or breaks down fundamentally? No. “If I thought they were doing a poor job of that, I would handle that. But I don't think that's true.” Vermeil last year replaced Robinson with Gunther Cunningham and Vitt with Fred Pagac, but otherwise made few changes to defensive personnel. The Chiefs were even worse defensively. They allowed 103 more points and 330 additional yards and forced 17 fewer turnovers. The Chiefs would have a second offensive staff departure if quarterback coach Jason Verduzco departs. He is a candidate to become offensive coordinator on Robinson's staff at Syracuse, where he recently became head coach. Tight-ends coach Keith Rowen left two weeks ago to become offensive coordinator for the Arizona Cardinals. He is replaced by Terry Shea, a former Chiefs assistant who spent one year with Chicago.
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ROYC75 Time For Your Wake Up Call !!! Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Barn Yard Casino cash: $2317400	This is sad news, but it is what I expected of him. With all the coaches and staff only signed for the next year, I see why DV did this. As a coach, who wants to come to KC for 1 year, a year where there is a good chance to meet failure ? __________________ Our society is run by insane people for insane objectives. I think we're being run by maniacs for maniacal ends and I think I'm liable to be put away as insane for expressing that. That's what's insane about it. John Lennon
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htismaqe 'Tis my eye! Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Chiefsplanet Casino cash: $8179900	Vermeil = Gunther
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kc rush Blah Blah Blah Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: In front of the computer. Casino cash: $2069559	How many times did we hear Dick say that they failed as coaches to prepare the players to play? Fans and the media were too tough on the players, because they have talent. Dick saw it on the practice field every day. Now that it means that his friends may have to go, it is the players fault for not being talented enough. Which is it Dick? Either way changes need to be made and Dick doesn't seem to have the balls to do it. He doesn't want to move outside of his comfort zone to build something truly great and Carl doesn't want to upset his buddy. Hooray for mediocrity. I wonder what Gunther has to say about all of this. I wonder what Lamar has to say.
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shaneo69 Smug Weasel Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Bleachers at Busch Casino cash: $10004900	This just pisses me off. Every fucking time that Vermiel brings up a Super Bowl that him or one of his coaches won elsewhere, I just wanna fucking strangle him.
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