How would you stop the Charger's offense? - Page 3

Tigermoose · 10-26-2005, 08:57 AM

I think the Eagles did this.

Assign a safety (Knight?) to spy on LT. Have him play closer to the LOS then normal (almost like a 4th linebacker).

In straight man-to-man, this puts more pressure on our corners. Is Warfield up to the task? Will the chargers be able to exploit this with a play action pattern to Knight's usual side?

You could play this as a hybrid zone, with Knight playing man on LT.

What are your thoughts?

philfree · 10-26-2005, 11:29 AM

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dsgreene285 · 10-26-2005, 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Sam

The front seven has to hold LT at or below his average numbers against the Chiefs. J. Allen has to not crash down the line at the snap and he needs to be aware of LT swinging out into the flat, I'm sure Marty will know that he's been beaten with that many times. How about using Surtain on McCardell, Warfield on Gates and either Washington or Sapp on their #2 in the nickle.

I believe that is exactly what we have to do, with no deep help. That will leave us with 8 in the box. That is what Philly did and I believe Warfield and Surtain are at least as good as their corners.

None of this works, however, unless we are getting some pressure on Brees when he is passing.

B_Ambuehl · 10-26-2005, 11:45 AM

If we try to defend SD like Philly did Brees will throw for 350 + yards easy. The eagles are much better at creating pressure and even as good as they were they still got outplayed by the Chargers passing game. Hell, as bad as their running game was against philly Brees still threw for nearly 300 yards and had his team in position to win the game twice down the stretch but they get a blocked kick and a fumble.

Sam · 10-26-2005, 11:48 AM

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I like that idea.

Mr. Laz · 10-26-2005, 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by B_Ambuehl

Hell, as bad as their running game was against philly Brees still threw for nearly 300 yards and had his team in position to win the game twice down the stretch but they get a blocked kick and a fumble.

isn't that because philly's offense sucked and kept the chargers in the game?

Mr. Laz · 10-26-2005, 11:53 AM

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I like that idea.

thank you ..

it gives us 8 men in the box unless Gates splits out wide but still keeps our coverage guys on the field. It would force the charges to A) run right up the middle or B) throw the ball long

our best chance imo

MOhillbilly · 10-26-2005, 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Laz

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aint that called the 46 defense?

Warrior5 · 10-26-2005, 12:19 PM

Gates is not the only worry I have...add in McCardell, Caldwell, and Tomlinson, and I'm amazed they haven't wracked up more scores like they did against NY and NE.

The four teams that have held the Chargers under 24 points (and losses) are Dallas, Denver, Pittsburgh, and Philly; all very good defenses that are arguably much better than the Chiefs.

This one comes down to more than just playing mistake-free football; Vermiel and crew must not only come up with a gameplan that keeps the Chargers O off the field, but also a D scheme that attacks the Charger O weaknesses (?) and forces turnovers.

Calcountry · 10-26-2005, 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Laz

isn't that because philly's offense sucked and kept the chargers in the game?

This questions begs for an inverse thread titled: "What must San Diego do to shut down our offense"?

NJ Chief Fan · 10-26-2005, 12:36 PM

dj spy lt all day, surtain on mccardell and have warfield on gates

MOhillbilly · 10-26-2005, 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by NJ Chief Fan

dj spy lt all day, surtain on mccardell and have warfield on gates

a 'spy' leaves a players shoulders turned away from the line of scrimage and just makes a hole somewhere else.
its a show of weakness-worse than the blitz.

philfree · 10-26-2005, 12:51 PM

Doesn't DJ have the ability to cover Gates? I won't be suprised when Gun has both DJ and Mitchell on Gates on various plays. Sometimes one on one and sometimes doubled up. This is where I thought a player like DJ would be a big help to our D.

PhilFree

Cormac · 10-26-2005, 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Warrior5

Gates is not the only worry I have...add in McCardell, Caldwell, and Tomlinson, and I'm amazed they haven't wracked up more scores like they did against NY and NE.

The four teams that have held the Chargers under 24 points (and losses) are Dallas, Denver, Pittsburgh, and Philly; all very good defenses that are arguably much better than the Chiefs.

Good post.

I agree, and that is why we have to beat the Chargers with our O. If those 4 teams defenses keep the Chargers under 24, I will be pleasantly surprised if ours can, in their house, where we always seem to play badly. Our best chance of holding them to 24 points or less, is to keep their TOP to 25 mins or less.

bunny, every team knows we run the ball. The key is, that when healthy, they can't stop us. For that reason, I think we should stay away from the cutesy fake-end-around-stuff, and go with what works. A steady diet of power running plays between the tackles and around left end, some play-action passing, and timely screens, and we have a chance.

The way our D stops the Chargers is if our O makes their lives easy, by keeping SD on their back foot.

JMO.

Mr. Laz · 10-26-2005, 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by MOhillbilly

aint that called the 46 defense?

kinda ...

that's basically the attitude/setup that philly used to stop the chargers

warfield has the size and speed to match up with Gates imo

can washington stay with McCardell?

Chieftain58 · 10-26-2005, 01:14 PM

It all starts with LT, do the same thing as the Eagles did!!!!!!!

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