Don't you Remember Marty-Ball?? - Page 3

milkman · 10-26-2005, 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Hoover

So he gets the ball and is in FG range and you terd think he should go deep when a FG seals the deal?

Nothing wrong with going deep, but that isn't what I'm talking about.

Marty's mentality is "We are in FG range, we don't won't to make a mistake and give up points"

An attacking mentality is making play calls with the idea of scoring a TD.

Hoover · 10-26-2005, 07:18 PM

I agree that Marty wasn't attacking the Philly D with 3:29 left in the game. But that Philly D was awesome that D, LT (The best player in the entire NFL if you ask) had been held to like 12 yards or something. Likewise the Charges D held McNabb and co to just 13 points. If they Kick a FG and make it he is up 7 with 2 minutes left to play, hell I like those odds considering the Philly offense really didn't do anything all day. Hindsight is 20/20, three running plays to a back was dumb, I give you that. But if you were watching the same game I was Philly was going down until a blocked FG for a TD.

milkman · 10-26-2005, 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Hoover

I agree that Marty wasn't attacking the Philly D with 3:29 left in the game. But that Philly D was awesome that D, LT (The best player in the entire NFL if you ask) had been held to like 12 yards or something. Likewise the Charges D held McNabb and co to just 13 points. If they Kick a FG and make it he is up 7 with 2 minutes left to play, hell I like those odds considering the Philly offense really didn't do anything all day. Hindsight is 20/20, three running plays to a back was dumb, I give you that. But if you were watching the same game I was Philly was going down until a blocked FG for a TD.

And I have every confidence that Marty, in his infinite wisdom, would go into a prevent D, allowing McNabb to march the Eagles right down the field for a game tying TD.

After that, it's anyone's game in OT, but I'd I'd put my money on whoever Marty isn't coaching.

Calcountry · 10-26-2005, 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by SideWinder

And I have every confidence that Marty, in his infinite wisdom, would go into a prevent D, allowing McNabb to march the Eagles right down the field for a game tying TD.

After that, it's anyone's game in OT, but I'd I'd put my money on whoever Marty isn't coaching.

His strategy works great against teams like the Raiders, you know, teams that have a tendence to commit penalties and make mistakes. Problem with his philosophy this year, is that he has very few weak teams on his schedule with which to use that philosophy on.

Calcountry · 10-26-2005, 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Hoover

I agree that Marty wasn't attacking the Philly D with 3:29 left in the game. But that Philly D was awesome that D, LT (The best player in the entire NFL if you ask) had been held to like 12 yards or something. Likewise the Charges D held McNabb and co to just 13 points. If they Kick a FG and make it he is up 7 with 2 minutes left to play, hell I like those odds considering the Philly offense really didn't do anything all day. Hindsight is 20/20, three running plays to a back was dumb, I give you that. But if you were watching the same game I was Philly was going down until a blocked FG for a TD.

With all that success running the ball, it makes you wonder Just WTF was in Marty's head, running the ball 3 times with the game on the line?

Sportswax · 10-26-2005, 07:28 PM

Death to the Chargers.

Sportswax · 10-26-2005, 07:32 PM

Don't forget that Tomlinson was getting stuffed all day in that game with a career low 7 yards on the whole day. Drew Brees should've done a keeper, since he was the leading Chargers rusher that day.

Pee - shah.... Chiefs will stuff them just like they did to Ricky Williams last week!

Calcountry · 10-26-2005, 07:32 PM

I have to go home now, but I leave you all with this. During his KC years, I took to calling Marty, "Shortenheimer". Because he always comes up short.

He hasn't let me down since he left KC either.

Sportswax · 10-26-2005, 07:47 PM

"ya can't blame Marty for giving the ball to his best player."

I blame him if the guy only has seven yards in the whole game!!!!!!!!

Sportswax · 10-27-2005, 09:47 AM

DV Rules!!

jspchief · 10-27-2005, 09:52 AM

First off, I think Marty did the smart thing in that game. When you have the lead late, you burn clock by running. Especially when you have Ladanian Tomlinson. The only thing I might have done different is throw on 3rd and medium.

He also did the right thing by kicking the FG 99 out of 100 times, the worst thing that can happen is you miss or it's blocked. The odds of that block resulting in a TD are miniscule.

He did the right thing. A few weeks ago, the media was flaming him for not putting the ball in the hands of LT when the game is on the line. Now all of a sudden it's the wrong thing? Hindsight is 20/20.

There may be a lot of times that Marty has lost games due to his conservative ways, but that series of downs shouldn't have been called any other way.

htismaqe · 10-27-2005, 09:53 AM

In other words, Vermeil has been with 3 teams and been to the Super Bowl with 2 of them. The only team he hasn't taken there is KC. A very valid argument could be made that the reason for that is KANSAS CITY, not Dick Vermeil.

On the other hand, Marty has been with 5 teams and never been to the Super Bowl. It would be very difficult to make a case that anybody but him was responsible for his failure.

Sportswax · 10-27-2005, 02:39 PM

This is what is known as bloviating.

htismaqe · 10-27-2005, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Sportswax

This is what is known as bloviating.

This is what as known as superfluous posting.

DJJasonp · 10-27-2005, 02:47 PM

In all actuality....passing the ball is what cost Marty and the chargers the game.....

With 8 min left in the game....Brees is passing (instead of a conservative play call)...and he's picked....led to 3 pts for Philly....

Then...with 1:57 left in the game and already down to philly's 37 yd line....Marty elects to NOT be conservative and play for the FG...and passes the ball to Caldwell, who runs it down to the 17...and fumbles the game away.

I'm not a charger fan, nor a Marty fan....but Marty is damned if he does, damned if he doesnt with his play calling....but this game certainly wasnt conservative....

Which game did you watch?

10-26-2005, 07:18 PM	#2
Hoover Rufus Dawes Jr. Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $-2081821	I agree that Marty wasn't attacking the Philly D with 3:29 left in the game. But that Philly D was awesome that D, LT (The best player in the entire NFL if you ask) had been held to like 12 yards or something. Likewise the Charges D held McNabb and co to just 13 points. If they Kick a FG and make it he is up 7 with 2 minutes left to play, hell I like those odds considering the Philly offense really didn't do anything all day. Hindsight is 20/20, three running plays to a back was dumb, I give you that. But if you were watching the same game I was Philly was going down until a blocked FG for a TD.
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10-26-2005, 07:28 PM	#6
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10-26-2005, 07:32 PM	#7
Sportswax Starter Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Gulf Breeze, Florida Casino cash: $10004900	Don't forget that Tomlinson was getting stuffed all day in that game with a career low 7 yards on the whole day. Drew Brees should've done a keeper, since he was the leading Chargers rusher that day. Pee - shah.... Chiefs will stuff them just like they did to Ricky Williams last week!
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10-26-2005, 07:32 PM	#8
Calcountry Shoot the tube Join Date: Oct 2003 Casino cash: $7527870	I have to go home now, but I leave you all with this. During his KC years, I took to calling Marty, "Shortenheimer". Because he always comes up short. He hasn't let me down since he left KC either. __________________
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10-26-2005, 07:47 PM	#9
Sportswax Starter Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Gulf Breeze, Florida Casino cash: $10004900	"ya can't blame Marty for giving the ball to his best player." I blame him if the guy only has seven yards in the whole game!!!!!!!!
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10-27-2005, 09:47 AM	#10
Sportswax Starter Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Gulf Breeze, Florida Casino cash: $10004900	DV Rules!!
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10-27-2005, 09:52 AM	#11
jspchief BAMF Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Your Face Casino cash: $9998710	First off, I think Marty did the smart thing in that game. When you have the lead late, you burn clock by running. Especially when you have Ladanian Tomlinson. The only thing I might have done different is throw on 3rd and medium. He also did the right thing by kicking the FG 99 out of 100 times, the worst thing that can happen is you miss or it's blocked. The odds of that block resulting in a TD are miniscule. He did the right thing. A few weeks ago, the media was flaming him for not putting the ball in the hands of LT when the game is on the line. Now all of a sudden it's the wrong thing? Hindsight is 20/20. There may be a lot of times that Marty has lost games due to his conservative ways, but that series of downs shouldn't have been called any other way. __________________ Courage is not the absence of fear but rather the judgment that something is more important than fear. The brave may not live forever but the cautious do not live at all.
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10-27-2005, 09:53 AM	#12
htismaqe 'Tis my eye! Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Chiefsplanet Casino cash: $8149900	In other words, Vermeil has been with 3 teams and been to the Super Bowl with 2 of them. The only team he hasn't taken there is KC. A very valid argument could be made that the reason for that is KANSAS CITY, not Dick Vermeil. On the other hand, Marty has been with 5 teams and never been to the Super Bowl. It would be very difficult to make a case that anybody but him was responsible for his failure.
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10-27-2005, 02:39 PM	#13
Sportswax Starter Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Gulf Breeze, Florida Casino cash: $10004900	This is what is known as bloviating.
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10-27-2005, 02:47 PM	#15
DJJasonp My work speaks for itself!!! Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: So Cal Casino cash: $-1824800	In all actuality....passing the ball is what cost Marty and the chargers the game..... With 8 min left in the game....Brees is passing (instead of a conservative play call)...and he's picked....led to 3 pts for Philly.... Then...with 1:57 left in the game and already down to philly's 37 yd line....Marty elects to NOT be conservative and play for the FG...and passes the ball to Caldwell, who runs it down to the 17...and fumbles the game away. I'm not a charger fan, nor a Marty fan....but Marty is damned if he does, damned if he doesnt with his play calling....but this game certainly wasnt conservative.... Which game did you watch?
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