Cardinals Fans, Your Hero Might Have Dirty Laundry - Page 4

teedubya · 06-08-2006, 05:49 PM

i have been injecting HGH into my dick, and so far the results have been minimal. I will post pictures, though.

Mecca · 06-08-2006, 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Hali Chi3fs

i have been injecting HGH into my dick, and so far the results have been minimal. I will post pictures, though.

Trying to get that career in porn going huh.

WilliamTheIrish · 06-08-2006, 06:08 PM

Hmm. Well I like AP.

On the other hand, I generally dislike Cardinal fans. Not all of them. But a handful of them on this board do make it difficult for the rest.

Cards fans have been [crickets] since Grimmace threatened to "Name names."

Could be that they are all speechless. Or stunned. OR they are still holding their collective breaths and stamping their feet as Dan Patrick and ESPN radio portray Prince Albert in a poor light.

Miles · 06-08-2006, 07:51 PM

I have seen some fake looking copys of the affidavit floating around today which list Thome, Pujols, Derrick Lee, and Lidge. Its completly pure specuation at this point since as far as I know the names from the document that were redacted have been announced by any news source.

nychief · 06-08-2006, 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Miles

I have seen some fake looking copys of the affidavit floating around today which list Thome, Pujols, Derrick Lee, and Lidge. Its completly pure specuation at this point since as far as I know the names from the document that were redacted have been announced by any news source.

This article does not mention Pujols, but his trainer for many, many years.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 06-08-2006, 08:11 PM

Thank you Barry Bonds and Mark McGwire. Now the onus of blame is always placed upon the best players of the game. What no one seems to want to mention is that Pujols is a line-drive hitter, and has always been so. He's also playing in a hitters park, which is something that could not be said for Bonds at Pac-Bell nor McGwire at old Busch (which is right at the median as far as ballparks are concerned according to baseball reference). He's also always been a naturally large man, unlike Bonds, McGwire, and Sosa, who all looked like Twiggy in comparision to their musclebound frame when they broke into the league. Of course everyone is also overlooking the fact that Pujols played in a lineup with a great deal of protection which allowed him to see a lot more pitches to hit. I can see why people would want to lump Pujols as a cheater simply because baseball is viewed as dirty and he's unquestionably the best player in the game, but I think to do so is more indicative of the mindset of 24 hour sports news and the desire to always get the scoop or have something to talk about than it is a question of the character of the person in question, which has been impeccable throughout his career.

nychief · 06-08-2006, 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

I can see why people would want to lump Pujols as a cheater simply because baseball is viewed as dirty and he's unquestionably the best player in the game, but I think to do so is more indicative of the mindset of 24 hour sports news and the desire to always get the scoop or have something to talk about than it is a question of the character of the person in question, which has been impeccable throughout his career.

Pujols is the best HITTER, but I think you can make some arguments for best all round player. And, the character of the person has nothing to do with it. It is his He-Man body that draws attention, hits home runs, drives in runs and gets people to the ballpark - not his personality. It is not like there hasn't been a culture of performance inhanced players for the cards before, you mentioned Mac - I don't think this is an A-to-Z jump here.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 06-08-2006, 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by nychief

Pujols is the best HITTER, but I think you can make some arguments for best all round player. And, the character of the person has nothing to do with it. It is his He-Man body that draws attention, hits home runs, drives in runs and gets people to the ballpark - not his personality. It is not like there hasn't been a culture of performance inhanced players for the cards before, you mentioned Mac - I don't think this is an A-to-Z jump here.

McGwire's Rookie Card.

McGwire towards the end of his careeer

Pujols' Rookie Card

Pujols Last Night is attached.

I see a massive difference between the two subjects.

FringeNC · 06-08-2006, 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

McGwire's Rookie Card.

McGwire towards the end of his careeer

Pujols' Rookie Card

Pujols Last Night is attached.

I see a massive difference between the two subjects.

McGwire and Bonds came up pre-juice. They took juice, they got bigger. Pujols came up post-juice, was already big, and has been training with this chemical specialist for a long time. Hmmmmm....

'Hamas' Jenkins · 06-08-2006, 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by FringeNC

McGwire and Bonds came up pre-juice. They took juice, they got bigger. Pujols came up post-juice, was already big, and has been training with this chemical specialist for a long time. Hmmmmm....

Because god knows, it's easy for a 13th rounder from a dirt poor family to afford to get ahold of this shit as well as get the connections to use it since no one even knew his name until his amazing rookie year in 2001. Bonds and McGwire didn't come up pre-juice. Athletes have been juicing for over 30 years. Their bodies are proof of what it does. I have first hand knowledge of what Pujols was built like in high school (my college roommate of 3 years played for Olathe South when Pujols was at Fort Osage). There is no difference between his build then and now.

Valiant · 06-08-2006, 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by FringeNC

McGwire and Bonds came up pre-juice. They took juice, they got bigger. Pujols came up post-juice, was already big, and has been training with this chemical specialist for a long time. Hmmmmm....

I am not going to say one way or another if he is juicing now, but in HS creatine was made freely available for us in the weight room for all athletes... Hell our Oline averaged over 300+lbs and had guys benching 400lbs in highschool as linebackers our defense sucked something fierce though...

**Saulbadguy** · 06-08-2006, 08:13 PM

'Hamas' Jenkins · 06-08-2006, 08:18 PM

One more thing, who do you think is more likely to have cheated, someone who broke into the league hitting well over .300 with 40 homerun power, or guys like David Ortiz and Derrek Lee. Ortiz's homerun totals in the Metrodome (which is a hitter's park) were 1, 9, 0, 10, 18, 20. He gets to Boston and then goes 31, 41, 47. His OPS in Boston also jumped over 150 points in comparison to his past. Lee suddenly has a 60 point jump in his BA, a 200 point jump in his OPS and hits 50% more homeruns than he ever has before??

mcan · 06-08-2006, 08:21 PM

I liken this whole situation to walking around the grocery store and pointing at something and yelling "FOOD' at the top of your lungs.

Drugs and sports, love and marriage, burgers and fries...

nychief · 06-08-2006, 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

One more thing, who do you think is more likely to have cheated, someone who broke into the league hitting well over .300 with 40 homerun power, or guys like David Ortiz and Derrek Lee. Ortiz's homerun totals in the Metrodome (which is a hitter's park) were 1, 9, 0, 10, 18, 20. He gets to Boston and then goes 31, 41, 47. His OPS in Boston also jumped over 150 points in comparison to his past. Lee suddenly has a 60 point jump in his BA, a 200 point jump in his OPS and hits 50% more homeruns than he ever has before??

Jesus you are transparent. You are a Pu-daddy fan, which is great - and easy, but this should be something you are concerned about as a baseball fan.

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Miles MVP Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Dallas, TX Casino cash: $1222400	I have seen some fake looking copys of the affidavit floating around today which list Thome, Pujols, Derrick Lee, and Lidge. Its completly pure specuation at this point since as far as I know the names from the document that were redacted have been announced by any news source.
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06-08-2006, 08:11 PM	#6
'Hamas' Jenkins Now you've pissed me off! Join Date: Jan 2006 Casino cash: $7919572	Thank you Barry Bonds and Mark McGwire. Now the onus of blame is always placed upon the best players of the game. What no one seems to want to mention is that Pujols is a line-drive hitter, and has always been so. He's also playing in a hitters park, which is something that could not be said for Bonds at Pac-Bell nor McGwire at old Busch (which is right at the median as far as ballparks are concerned according to baseball reference). He's also always been a naturally large man, unlike Bonds, McGwire, and Sosa, who all looked like Twiggy in comparision to their musclebound frame when they broke into the league. Of course everyone is also overlooking the fact that Pujols played in a lineup with a great deal of protection which allowed him to see a lot more pitches to hit. I can see why people would want to lump Pujols as a cheater simply because baseball is viewed as dirty and he's unquestionably the best player in the game, but I think to do so is more indicative of the mindset of 24 hour sports news and the desire to always get the scoop or have something to talk about than it is a question of the character of the person in question, which has been impeccable throughout his career. __________________ "When the Know-Nothings get control, it will read 'all men are created equal, except negroes, and foreigners, and Catholics.' When it comes to this I should prefer emigrating to some country where they make no pretense of loving liberty – to Russia, for instance, where despotism can be taken pure, and without the base alloy of hypocrisy.”--Abraham Lincoln
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'Hamas' Jenkins Now you've pissed me off! Join Date: Jan 2006 Casino cash: $7919572	One more thing, who do you think is more likely to have cheated, someone who broke into the league hitting well over .300 with 40 homerun power, or guys like David Ortiz and Derrek Lee. Ortiz's homerun totals in the Metrodome (which is a hitter's park) were 1, 9, 0, 10, 18, 20. He gets to Boston and then goes 31, 41, 47. His OPS in Boston also jumped over 150 points in comparison to his past. Lee suddenly has a 60 point jump in his BA, a 200 point jump in his OPS and hits 50% more homeruns than he ever has before?? __________________ "When the Know-Nothings get control, it will read 'all men are created equal, except negroes, and foreigners, and Catholics.' When it comes to this I should prefer emigrating to some country where they make no pretense of loving liberty – to Russia, for instance, where despotism can be taken pure, and without the base alloy of hypocrisy.”--Abraham Lincoln
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mcan Apr 13,1949 – Dec 15, 2011 Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Kansas City, MO Casino cash: $9996085	I liken this whole situation to walking around the grocery store and pointing at something and yelling "FOOD' at the top of your lungs. Drugs and sports, love and marriage, burgers and fries...
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