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**DaKCMan AP** · 06-20-2006, 10:14 AM

New US church leader says homosexuality no sin

Mon Jun 19, 3:50 PM ET

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Newly elected leader of the U.S. Episcopal Church Bishop Katharine Jefferts Schori said on Monday she believed homosexuality was no sin and homosexuals were created by God to love people of the same gender.

Jefferts Schori, bishop of the Diocese of Nevada, was elected on Sunday as the first woman leader of the 2.3 million-member Episcopal Church. the U.S. branch of the worldwide Anglican Communion. She will formally take office later this year.

Interviewed on CNN, Jefferts Schori was asked if it was a sin to be homosexual.

"I don't believe so. I believe that God creates us with different gifts. Each one of us comes into this world with a different collection of things that challenge us and things that give us joy and allow us to bless the world around us," she said.

"Some people come into this world with affections ordered toward other people of the same gender and some people come into this world with affections directed at people of the other gender."

Jefferts Schori's election seemed certain to exacerbate splits within a Episcopal Church that is already deeply divided over homosexuality with several dioceses and parishes threatening to break away.

It could also widen divisions with other Anglican communities, including the Church of England, which do not allow women bishops. In the worldwide Anglican church women are bishops only in Canada, the United States and New Zealand.

Three years ago when the Church last met in convention, a majority of U.S. bishops backed the consecration of Gene Robinson of New Hampshire, the first openly gay bishop in more than 450 years of Anglican history.

The Robinson issue has been particularly criticized in Africa where the church has a growing membership and where homosexuality is often taboo.

Jefferts Schori, who was raised a Roman Catholic and graduated in marine biology with a doctorate specialization in squids and oysters, supported the consecration of Gene Robinson of New Hampshire, the first openly gay bishop in more than 450 years of Anglican history.

The 52-year-old bishop is married to Richard Schori, a retired theoretical mathematician. They have one daughter, Katharine Johanna, 24, a second lieutenant in the U.S. Air Force and a pilot like her mother.

Asked how she reconciled her position on homosexuality with specific passages in the Bible declaring sexual relations between men an abomination, Jefferts Schori said the Bible was written in a very different historical context by people asking different questions.

"The Bible has a great deal to teach us about how to live as human beings. The Bible does not have so much to teach us about what sorts of food to eat, what sorts of clothes to wear -- there are rules in the Bible about those that we don't observe today," she said.

"The Bible tells us about how to treat other human beings, and that's certainly the great message of Jesus -- to include the unincluded."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060619/...HBhBHNlYwM5NjQ-

Ultra Peanut · 06-20-2006, 10:39 PM

I don't know about you folks, but I don't see any reason to distrust this guy:

|Zach| · 06-20-2006, 10:40 PM

Kotter still thinks it is his family that things are being imposed on.

**noa** · 06-20-2006, 10:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Kotter

You know, I'm not even gonna go here....cause it just ain't worth it. The idea, that only "liberals" are enlightened and the only ones who use their brain though....wow.

The incredible arrogance and sheer delusional aspect of that type of thinking, is dumbfounding....but, no, I'm gonna just let it go. And liberals wonder why many "average" folks despise them....

I mean, how can I rail against a woman who puts "Tits" in her username. I'm willing to bet you are a natural fuggin' blonde though, in every sense of the word.....heh.

Are you an Ann Coulter devotee?

Ultra Peanut · 06-20-2006, 10:44 PM

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Originally Posted by ZachKC

Kotter still things it is his family that things are being imposed on.

GEEZE, Zach. If other people confirming their love for one another and garnering legal protection for their relationship isn't an infringement of your personal space, what is?

**noa** · 06-20-2006, 10:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Kotter

Preserving man-and-woman as the standard for marriage, in the face of activism aimed at over-turning what many see as a common sense tradition.....that's why conservatives are sometimes referred to as "reactionaries."

They are "reacting" to the "activism" of liberals who are driving the change.

Duh.

If you are labeling gay people who are trying to obtain equal rights "activists" then I can see where you would have stood during the Civil Rights Era. Gay people want to get married so they can have the same rights as you, and these are important rights such as health care for partners, hospital visitation rights, and other basic things. They are not trying to get married to ruin your marriage or make your children gay, yet the conservative side seems to assume that is an inevitability.
You use "activism" in a pejorative sense (we always hear conservative whining about "activist judges") and it completely disrepects the PROGRESS our country made during the "activism" of the Civil Rights Era, where progress was made thanks to the "liberals" who had the gaul to believe in equal rights for all people.
I am not saying you are prejudiced, I just think we should avoid portraying people who support gay marriage as radical activists.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 06-20-2006, 10:49 PM

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Originally Posted by noa949

If you are labeling gay people who are trying to obtain equal rights "activism" than I can see where you would have stood during the Civil Rights Era. Gay people want to get married so they can have the same rights as you, and these are important rights such as health care for partners, hospital visitation rights, and other basic things. They are not trying to get married to ruin your marriage or make your children gay, yet the conservative side seems to assume that is an inevitability.
You use "activism" in a pejorative sense (we always hear conservative whining about "activist judges") and it completely disrepects the PROGRESS our country made during the "activism" of the Civil Rights Era, where progress was made thanks to the "liberals" who had the gaul to believe in equal rights for all people.
I am not saying you are prejudiced, I just think we should avoid portraying people who support gay marriage as radical activists.

It's easy to do so when you are the one who might have to give up some of your white/straight/male privilege like a 4 year old hordeing all the Lincoln Logs.

Ultra Peanut · 06-20-2006, 10:50 PM

CUE ROCKIN' THE SUBURBS... NOW

**Mr. Kotter** · 06-20-2006, 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by noa949

If you are labeling gay people who are trying to obtain equal rights "activism" than I can see where you would have stood during the Civil Rights Era. Gay people want to get married so they can have the same rights as you, and these are important rights such as health care for partners, hospital visitation rights, and other basic things. They are not trying to get married to ruin your marriage or make your children gay, yet the conservative side seems to assume that is an inevitability.
You use "activism" in a pejorative sense (we always hear conservative whining about "activist judges") and it completely disrepects the PROGRESS our country made during the "activism" of the Civil Rights Era, where progress was made thanks to the "liberals" who had the gaul to believe in equal rights for all people.
I am not saying you are prejudiced, I just think we should avoid portraying people who support gay marriage as radical activists.

Not all activism is bad.....the Civil Rights movement was activism. Duh. FWIW, I would have supported that.

However, the difference you are refusing to see is the one many reasonable people make between skin color/race/genetics and, whether or not YOU personally agree, a distinction based on sexual preference/behavorial/lifestyle choice.

You may disagree, but many educated, conscientious, and intelligent people consider being black as being akin to gender, whereas being gay is akin to being an alcoholic or drug addict.

And therein, lies the difference in your thinking and theirs.

***

(....oh well, here we go with the ad hominem/homophobic/bigot charges that inevitable follow any attempt to disagree in a reasonable fashion with those on your side.

)

|Zach| · 06-20-2006, 10:55 PM

I just don't see how you can go around in these circles...you must be the most obtuse thinker. Your activist judge comments went full circle when you said you didn't mind in a case...you know...a case you agreed with.

Who didn't see thatm coming?

Ultra Peanut · 06-20-2006, 10:55 PM

Yeah... everyone in the scientific community totally agrees with your conclusion. Your proof is indisputible.

Discussion OVER.

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I just don't see how you can go around in these circles...you must be the most obtuse thinker. Your activist judge comments went full circle when you said you didn't mind in a case...you know...a case you agreed with.

Who didn't see thatm coming?

CUE SPIN SPIN SUGAR... NOW

|Zach| · 06-20-2006, 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Kotter

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(....oh well, here we go with the ad hominem/homophobic/bigot charges that inevitable follow any attempt to disagree in a reasonable fashion with those on your side.

)

Heh...

Being gay = drug addiction and alcohal abuse.

Hey hey...im just reasonable guy here.

**noa** · 06-20-2006, 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Kotter

Not all activism is bad.....the Civil Rights movement was activism. Duh. FWIW, I would have supported that.

However, the difference you are refusing to see is the one many reasonable people make between skin color/race/genetics and, whether or not YOU personally agree, a distinction based on sexual preference/behavorial/lifestyle choice.

You may disagree, but many educated, conscientious, and intelligent people consider being black as being akin to gender, whereas being gay is akin to being an alcoholic or drug addict.

And therein, lies the difference in your thinking and theirs.

***

(....oh well, here we go with the ad hominem/homophobic/bigot charges that inevitable follow any attempt to disagree in a reasonable fashion with those on your side.

)

Well, we disagree on the nature of homosexuality, so we'll just have to leave it at that. Obviously, I can't convince you, and you can't convince me. I'll let the disagreement stand where it is.

**Mr. Kotter** · 06-20-2006, 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by noa949

Are you an Ann Coulter devotee?

Nah.

She's a shill.....like Michael Moore. Both can be amusing, but both grow old pretty quickly.

Ultra Peanut · 06-20-2006, 10:59 PM

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Originally Posted by noa949

Well, we disagree on the nature of homosexuality, so we'll just have to leave it at that. Obviously, I can't convince you, and you can't convince me.

WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH YOU HE SAID GAYS ARE LIKE ALCOHOLICS NOT BLACK PEOPLE YOU STUPID **** WHY WON'T YOU LISTEN

**Rausch** · 06-20-2006, 10:59 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

How is this different than a "fried chicken and watermelon" conclusion??

At it's core it's not.

The majority of college profs are liberals.

06-20-2006, 10:14 AM
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