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**DaKCMan AP** · 06-20-2006, 10:14 AM

New US church leader says homosexuality no sin

Mon Jun 19, 3:50 PM ET

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Newly elected leader of the U.S. Episcopal Church Bishop Katharine Jefferts Schori said on Monday she believed homosexuality was no sin and homosexuals were created by God to love people of the same gender.

Jefferts Schori, bishop of the Diocese of Nevada, was elected on Sunday as the first woman leader of the 2.3 million-member Episcopal Church. the U.S. branch of the worldwide Anglican Communion. She will formally take office later this year.

Interviewed on CNN, Jefferts Schori was asked if it was a sin to be homosexual.

"I don't believe so. I believe that God creates us with different gifts. Each one of us comes into this world with a different collection of things that challenge us and things that give us joy and allow us to bless the world around us," she said.

"Some people come into this world with affections ordered toward other people of the same gender and some people come into this world with affections directed at people of the other gender."

Jefferts Schori's election seemed certain to exacerbate splits within a Episcopal Church that is already deeply divided over homosexuality with several dioceses and parishes threatening to break away.

It could also widen divisions with other Anglican communities, including the Church of England, which do not allow women bishops. In the worldwide Anglican church women are bishops only in Canada, the United States and New Zealand.

Three years ago when the Church last met in convention, a majority of U.S. bishops backed the consecration of Gene Robinson of New Hampshire, the first openly gay bishop in more than 450 years of Anglican history.

The Robinson issue has been particularly criticized in Africa where the church has a growing membership and where homosexuality is often taboo.

Jefferts Schori, who was raised a Roman Catholic and graduated in marine biology with a doctorate specialization in squids and oysters, supported the consecration of Gene Robinson of New Hampshire, the first openly gay bishop in more than 450 years of Anglican history.

The 52-year-old bishop is married to Richard Schori, a retired theoretical mathematician. They have one daughter, Katharine Johanna, 24, a second lieutenant in the U.S. Air Force and a pilot like her mother.

Asked how she reconciled her position on homosexuality with specific passages in the Bible declaring sexual relations between men an abomination, Jefferts Schori said the Bible was written in a very different historical context by people asking different questions.

"The Bible has a great deal to teach us about how to live as human beings. The Bible does not have so much to teach us about what sorts of food to eat, what sorts of clothes to wear -- there are rules in the Bible about those that we don't observe today," she said.

"The Bible tells us about how to treat other human beings, and that's certainly the great message of Jesus -- to include the unincluded."

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FAX · 06-21-2006, 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Clint in Wichita

This is quite a slippery slope.

The next thing you know, it won't be a sin to rape children and f_ck animals.

You could well be correct, Mr. Clint in Wichita.

Nor will it be deemed hypocritical to insult a stranger's intelligence or knowledge while calling on the name of Christ, apparently.

FAX

BIG_DADDY · 06-21-2006, 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Sully

Do you plan on invading my house???

Just curious how far you are taking this peace delio in real life.

Jilly · 06-21-2006, 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by FAX

You could well be correct, Mr. Clint in Wichita.

Nor will it be deemed hypocritical to insult a stranger's intelligence or knowledge while calling on the name of Christ, apparently.

FAX

HEY, I said I was sorry..... I really am, I didn't mean to.

BIG_DADDY · 06-21-2006, 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by BIG_DADDY

Just curious how far you are taking this peace delio in real life.

BTW as far as your Ghandi/MLK/Jesus peace thing goes they were all killed, remember?

Sully · 06-21-2006, 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by BIG_DADDY

BTW as far as your Ghandi/MLK/Jesus peace thing goes they were all killed, remember?

I don't think Ghandi was. edit: I just looked it up, and he was... /edit

Their ideas were revolutionary, though. That is the glory of their non-violence, as that is what made the difference.

Calcountry · 06-21-2006, 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by TitsMagee

Dear Jesus, I'm sorry that the whole mission you came to serve was only a pipe dream. Amen.

What do you say his mission was?

To teach people to be pacifists and thrust their cheeks outward to be struck upon both sides?

Yep, that was the sole mission of Jesus Christ, to have people who need justification for their sinful acts to remember but one line of his entire ministry, "judge not, lest ye be judged".

Sorry, but I am going to be judged. I am judged every day by my peers, customers, friends, family.

That is how it is. I, therefore, refuse to handcuff myself to some liberal nonsensical box that you would all have us be put into.

I kill my enemy before he kills me. Then live to preach the good news, Hallelujah, AMEN!

Jilly · 06-21-2006, 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by bunnytrdr

What do you say his mission was?

To teach people to be pacifists and thrust their cheeks outward to be struck upon both sides?

Yep, that was the sole mission of Jesus Christ, to have people who need justification for their sinful acts to remember but one line of his entire ministry, "judge not, lest ye be judged".

Sorry, but I am going to be judged. I am judged every day by my peers, customers, friends, family.

That is how it is. I, therefore, refuse to handcuff myself to some liberal nonsensical box that you would all have us be put into.

I kill my enemy before he kills me. Then live to preach the good news, Hallelujah, AMEN!

If you aren't a Christian, then I'm not going to ask you to follow this line of thought based on Jesus. You can do with your life what you will.... but I'm called to follow in the footsteps of Jesus. Jesus was nonviolent. There is no argument about that.

Jesus · 06-21-2006, 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by TitsMagee

If you aren't a Christian, then I'm not going to ask you to follow this line of thought based on Jesus. You can do with your life what you will.... but I'm called to follow in the footsteps of Jesus. Jesus was nonviolent. There is no argument about that.

Man, this idea of me being a Dad Damn hippie is getting way outta hand. Wake up and read what I said, not what you want me to have said. Good Dad, some of you folks are dense. You guys are just as bad as those you claim put too much faith in the inerrent Word too. I was misquoted. Numerous times. And you wouldn't be pleased how they misquoted me, either.

BIG_DADDY · 06-21-2006, 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Sully

I don't think Ghandi was. edit: I just looked it up, and he was... /edit

Their ideas were revolutionary, though. That is the glory of their non-violence, as that is what made the difference.

OK, you choose to die in glory then. Me, I'll choose to try and live with a good defense. Hell even my girl takes some martial arts and lifts weights and shoots guns. It's actually a lot of fun.

So do you own a gun or not?

Jilly · 06-21-2006, 04:17 PM

when did Jesus say if someone tries to kill you, you should kill them first???

BIG_DADDY · 06-21-2006, 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by TitsMagee

If you aren't a Christian, then I'm not going to ask you to follow this line of thought based on Jesus. You can do with your life what you will.... but I'm called to follow in the footsteps of Jesus. Jesus was nonviolent. There is no argument about that.

What is the army of angels and hell for then?

BIG_DADDY · 06-21-2006, 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by TitsMagee

when did Jesus say if someone tries to kill you, you should kill them first???

He didn't need to, any reerun would should know that already. He didn't tell you breath either.

Calcountry · 06-21-2006, 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by TitsMagee

If you aren't a Christian, then I'm not going to ask you to follow this line of thought based on Jesus. You can do with your life what you will.... but I'm called to follow in the footsteps of Jesus. Jesus was nonviolent. There is no argument about that.

Who do you say Jesus is?

Jilly · 06-21-2006, 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by BIG_DADDY

What is the army of angels and hell for then?

I don't know until you give me book, chapter, and verse where you find that.... I am serious, though, did Jesus EVER say - if someone tries to kill you, you should kill them first? And more importantly, if we are to follow in Jesus' footsteps, when did he ever practice that mentality??

Jesus · 06-21-2006, 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by TitsMagee

when did Jesus say if someone tries to kill you, you should kill them first???

Research the Hebrew context of turn-the-other-cheek; it is an instruction that one should turn the other cheek so as to prepare to defend yourself against the unjust agression of others.

And that's just the tip of the iceberg, in terms of the twisted understanding some of you folks have of what I said. Sheeesh.

06-20-2006, 10:14 AM
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