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**DaKCMan AP** · 06-20-2006, 10:14 AM

New US church leader says homosexuality no sin

Mon Jun 19, 3:50 PM ET

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Newly elected leader of the U.S. Episcopal Church Bishop Katharine Jefferts Schori said on Monday she believed homosexuality was no sin and homosexuals were created by God to love people of the same gender.

Jefferts Schori, bishop of the Diocese of Nevada, was elected on Sunday as the first woman leader of the 2.3 million-member Episcopal Church. the U.S. branch of the worldwide Anglican Communion. She will formally take office later this year.

Interviewed on CNN, Jefferts Schori was asked if it was a sin to be homosexual.

"I don't believe so. I believe that God creates us with different gifts. Each one of us comes into this world with a different collection of things that challenge us and things that give us joy and allow us to bless the world around us," she said.

"Some people come into this world with affections ordered toward other people of the same gender and some people come into this world with affections directed at people of the other gender."

Jefferts Schori's election seemed certain to exacerbate splits within a Episcopal Church that is already deeply divided over homosexuality with several dioceses and parishes threatening to break away.

It could also widen divisions with other Anglican communities, including the Church of England, which do not allow women bishops. In the worldwide Anglican church women are bishops only in Canada, the United States and New Zealand.

Three years ago when the Church last met in convention, a majority of U.S. bishops backed the consecration of Gene Robinson of New Hampshire, the first openly gay bishop in more than 450 years of Anglican history.

The Robinson issue has been particularly criticized in Africa where the church has a growing membership and where homosexuality is often taboo.

Jefferts Schori, who was raised a Roman Catholic and graduated in marine biology with a doctorate specialization in squids and oysters, supported the consecration of Gene Robinson of New Hampshire, the first openly gay bishop in more than 450 years of Anglican history.

The 52-year-old bishop is married to Richard Schori, a retired theoretical mathematician. They have one daughter, Katharine Johanna, 24, a second lieutenant in the U.S. Air Force and a pilot like her mother.

Asked how she reconciled her position on homosexuality with specific passages in the Bible declaring sexual relations between men an abomination, Jefferts Schori said the Bible was written in a very different historical context by people asking different questions.

"The Bible has a great deal to teach us about how to live as human beings. The Bible does not have so much to teach us about what sorts of food to eat, what sorts of clothes to wear -- there are rules in the Bible about those that we don't observe today," she said.

"The Bible tells us about how to treat other human beings, and that's certainly the great message of Jesus -- to include the unincluded."

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HolmeZz · 06-22-2006, 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Baby Lee

Jesus, if you're gonna try humor, get it right.

"Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's ass."

Sheesh!!

I see nothing wrong with coveting a fine female neighbor's ass.

go bo · 06-22-2006, 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Ultra Peanut

Forgive me for holding your opinion in extremely low esteem after reading your paleolithic views on countless issues.

But yeah, I'M DIFFERENT! OH NOES! That means I'm warped and twisted and a serial killer and completely unfit to hold an opinion about anything!

Watch out, vail! Them gays is gonna git ya!

i think vail has already been gitten...

then his b/f dropped him and now he's just bitter...

poor vail...

Calcountry · 06-24-2006, 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Logical

I do think it is outstanding that some religious leaders are finally pulling their heads out of their asses and acknowledging that the gay lifestyle is just one of many normal alternatives that some people are genetically predisposed to follow and that it is not a sin.

How condescending of you. Why don't you pull your dick out of a gays ass?

Oh, I'm not suppose to talk like that, but its o.k. for you to demean clerics and clergy alike with that insensitive and intolerant statement.

Calcountry · 06-24-2006, 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Baby Lee

Jesus, if you're gonna try humor, get it right.

"Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's ass."

Sheesh!!

your forgot the second half about not coveting the ass, manservant or maidservant.

Calcountry · 06-24-2006, 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by go bo

i agree with you completely...

it is encouraging to see more and more religious institutions take that approach...

i can remember how dangerous it was when i was growing up to be thought of as a Rump Ranger...

beating up Rump Rangers was an expression of masculinity to some...

and nobody but nobody came out of the closet (not even liberache, who was nonetheless the biggest flaming Rump Ranger of all time, considering his affected speech, flamboyant dress and lavish performances)...

how things have changed...

(the paralells with the civil rights movement are intriguing...)

And this is a good thing?

Contained within that onion skin is all manner of perversion so profound, that decorum prohibits listing it here.

Logical · 06-24-2006, 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by bunnytrdr

How condescending of you. Why don't you pull your dick out of a gays ass?

Oh, I'm not suppose to talk like that, but its o.k. for you to demean clerics and clergy alike with that insensitive and intolerant statement.

Wow how mean of me to be intolerant of biased ignorant individuals. I guess I should take back all the bad things I have said about the KKK and Nazis while I am at it.

**Baby Lee** · 06-24-2006, 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Logical

Wow how mean of me to be intolerant of biased ignorant individuals. I guess I should take back all the bad things I have said about the KKK and Nazis while I am at it.

Logical: "Believing homosexual activity to be a sin = KKK/Nazi."

Wish this was a shocking turn in the evolution of Logical

FAX · 06-24-2006, 05:59 PM

I wonder what would happen if everyone removed their heads from their asses at the same time?

Would that be the dawn of the new world order thing? Would the resulting gas release actually end life on the planet? Or, maybe, propel Earth to another solar system entirely?

FAX

Logical · 06-24-2006, 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Baby Lee

Logical: "Believing homosexual activity to be a sin = KKK/Nazi."

Wish this was a shocking turn in the evolution of Logical

No commandment against homosexuality, no direct quotes of Jesus saying it was a sin. Do you have something better to offer. This is not a change for me, I have easily for the entire time I have been on this BB been against the bias and bigotry against homosexuals. I also have always been at best a skeptic when it comes to organized religions and their officials.

Logical · 06-24-2006, 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by FAX

I wonder what would happen if everyone removed their heads from their asses at the same time?

Would that be the dawn of the new world order thing? Would the resulting gas release actually end life on the planet? Or, maybe, propel Earth to another solar system entirely?

FAX

FAX sir the world is round if the release were to occur simulataneously we could be propelled no where as the forces would be equal in all the directions.

Now as to the lethality of the gasses I believe there is a Mythbusters episode that speaks to that possibility.

**Baby Lee** · 06-24-2006, 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Logical

No commandment against homosexuality, no direct quotes of Jesus saying it was a sin. Do you have something better to offer. This is not a change for me, I have easily for the entire time I have been on this BB been against the bias and bigotry against homosexuals. I also have always been at best a skeptic when it comes to organized religions and their officials.

Yeah I have something better to offer, it's called differentiating between thinking something is a sin, and being a bigot, a nazi, or a member of the KKK.
If you had been halfway sentient in over the years, you'd know my favorite admonition is 'judge not, lest ye be judged.' And you'd know that I'm of the firm belief that everyone's got some sinnin' in them each and everyday.
So the goal isn't spotting motes in the eyes of others, it's according your own self in a way that facilitates communion and communication with God.
To that end, if you'd been halfway sentient in this very thread, you'd have seen early on that I don't think homosexual activity is necessarily a sin. I define sin [and it's just me talkin'] as that which interferes with communion with God. So it's possible that all sorts of familial or sexual relationships can be comported in an edifying manner.

BUT THAT'S NOT THE POINT. You are conflating notions of sin and notions of hatred because it's convenient for your mindset. Doesn't make it a proper conflation.

Calcountry · 06-24-2006, 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Logical

Wow how mean of me to be intolerant of biased ignorant individuals. I guess I should take back all the bad things I have said about the KKK and Nazis while I am at it.

YOu are such a pompous ass.

Calcountry · 06-24-2006, 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Baby Lee

Logical: "Believing homosexual activity to be a sin = KKK/Nazi."

Wish this was a shocking turn in the evolution of Logical

Plus, the pompous one, would bait me into saying something against him thus by clever deflection attempts to have me align myself with those groups. Please Jim. Is this the only entertainment that you got? Coming into this cyberworld and mentally wrestling with your buddies?

Dude, get a life. Please. It is unbecoming of you to lower yourself to the likes of meme, Hamas, et al, just to prove your intellectual superiority, to who?

I could give a chickens ass, or rats ass, or whatever ass I am killing for food at the moment about how smart you are dude. Further, I could give a chit, how long you have been on the Planet, how many posts you have here, or whether or not the collective vibe of the Planet gets together, stickies a bunch of shit at the top and sings cooom bay yah for you Vlad.

You seem to need it. Oh no? then why do you cry incessantly about the politics being on the front Page. No one has whined more repeatedly, debated more fervantly, and advocated the return of this crap to the front page. It does nothing but piss people off. But that is what entertains you? I come here to have fun, and since I am not having as much of it lately, my post count has went way down. Keep up the good work, Logical, meme, Hamas, Boyce, soon you will have this place completely7 fugged up beyond all recognition(FUBAR) for short.

I have said my peace. You can take it, or you could shove it, either way, I don't think I am spending as much time here any more. I WILL be cutting way down, but then, I don't have anything quality to offer this place.

Later.

**Baby Lee** · 06-24-2006, 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by bunnytrdr

I have not said my peace. You can take it, or you could shove it, either way, I don't thinK I am spending as much time here any more. Cutting way down, but then, I don't have anything quality to offer this place.

Later.

Oops, looks like Logical pulled a Cheney. Say's he's shootin' fer rexjake, and goes and shoots bunntrdr in the face.

Oh noes!!!

go bo · 06-25-2006, 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by bunnytrdr

And this is a good thing?

Contained within that onion skin is all manner of perversion so profound, that decorum prohibits listing it here.

yes, it's a very good thing...

you're free to call whatever you like perversion, and you're also free not to engage in perversion...

but where's your right to tell others that they can't?

basically, it's none of your damned business what others do in the privacy of their home...

so there...

06-20-2006, 10:14 AM
DaKCMan AP Beloved & Awesome CP Celebrity Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Florida Casino cash: $5624952	New US church leader says homosexuality no sin New US church leader says homosexuality no sin Mon Jun 19, 3:50 PM ET WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Newly elected leader of the U.S. Episcopal Church Bishop Katharine Jefferts Schori said on Monday she believed homosexuality was no sin and homosexuals were created by God to love people of the same gender. Jefferts Schori, bishop of the Diocese of Nevada, was elected on Sunday as the first woman leader of the 2.3 million-member Episcopal Church. the U.S. branch of the worldwide Anglican Communion. She will formally take office later this year. Interviewed on CNN, Jefferts Schori was asked if it was a sin to be homosexual. "I don't believe so. I believe that God creates us with different gifts. Each one of us comes into this world with a different collection of things that challenge us and things that give us joy and allow us to bless the world around us," she said. "Some people come into this world with affections ordered toward other people of the same gender and some people come into this world with affections directed at people of the other gender." Jefferts Schori's election seemed certain to exacerbate splits within a Episcopal Church that is already deeply divided over homosexuality with several dioceses and parishes threatening to break away. It could also widen divisions with other Anglican communities, including the Church of England, which do not allow women bishops. In the worldwide Anglican church women are bishops only in Canada, the United States and New Zealand. Three years ago when the Church last met in convention, a majority of U.S. bishops backed the consecration of Gene Robinson of New Hampshire, the first openly gay bishop in more than 450 years of Anglican history. The Robinson issue has been particularly criticized in Africa where the church has a growing membership and where homosexuality is often taboo. Jefferts Schori, who was raised a Roman Catholic and graduated in marine biology with a doctorate specialization in squids and oysters, supported the consecration of Gene Robinson of New Hampshire, the first openly gay bishop in more than 450 years of Anglican history. The 52-year-old bishop is married to Richard Schori, a retired theoretical mathematician. They have one daughter, Katharine Johanna, 24, a second lieutenant in the U.S. Air Force and a pilot like her mother. Asked how she reconciled her position on homosexuality with specific passages in the Bible declaring sexual relations between men an abomination, Jefferts Schori said the Bible was written in a very different historical context by people asking different questions. "The Bible has a great deal to teach us about how to live as human beings. The Bible does not have so much to teach us about what sorts of food to eat, what sorts of clothes to wear -- there are rules in the Bible about those that we don't observe today," she said. "The Bible tells us about how to treat other human beings, and that's certainly the great message of Jesus -- to include the unincluded." http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060619/...HBhBHNlYwM5NjQ-
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FAX testing ... 1, 2, 3 Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Tennessee Casino cash: $6753759	I wonder what would happen if everyone removed their heads from their asses at the same time? Would that be the dawn of the new world order thing? Would the resulting gas release actually end life on the planet? Or, maybe, propel Earth to another solar system entirely? FAX
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