LJ still leading the league in rushing - Page 12

Hammock Parties · 11-26-2006, 07:16 PM

LJ 1,202

Gore 1,177

Tomlinson 1,146

tiptap · 11-27-2006, 07:23 AM

My two cent take. Both backs are wonderful and wonderful to watch. LJ does have all these carries but if you add in the catches for LT to his carries the number of touches even out. And at the end of most plays you still get tackled so the punishment is close to the same for both backs.

When you look at averages on carries that can be misleading be itself. You need also to consider not just the mean value of a carry but the mode and median numbers. And this is telling for LJ. LT tends to have a great mean number because he hits for long runs mixed in with 2 or 3 yard carries. LJ has the highest MODE number in that he actually carries for 4 yds with each carry most of the time. He doesn't have the number of big runs that the other elite backs have. He is the workhorse (duh).

I do wish that we can start putting Bennett in the mix more. It will mean that the offense is coming back to being more opened. That is what I hope to see going forward.

Valiant · 11-27-2006, 07:48 AM

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Originally Posted by XXXshogunXXX

which nfl experts said LJ was the better rusher, Ive read it was all Tomlinson.

Anyway, how is LJ the better rusher. LJ runs up the middle more, while Tomlinson finds the hole and jukes his way out to avoid the big hit. Tomlinson can run up the middle if the hole is there, but he could also take runs to the perimeter. He also has a quicker and more elusive juke, and can make a long run to the house at any time, while LJ is more susceptible to being taken down before he reaches the endzone. In that regard, Tomlinson is the better rusher.

He's also a better receiver, passer, blocker. As a "rusher" he has a better stiff arm and a better nose for the redzone.

LJ is a better grinder, but that isnt Tomlinsons style. So I wouldnt call him a better rusher just because of that.

You didn't even bring up my point about last year with our balanced offense adn LJ annilihating LT in stats???? Why the deflection??? That was your who basis on LT being better this year...

Agian answer the whole damn question...

Valiant · 11-27-2006, 07:51 AM

Oh and go look to see how many times LT has been shut down by the Chiefs defense... You konw the defense that is usually in the bottom 5th in the league defense...

Why does LT get shut down so much agianst the Chiefs???

dj56dt58 · 11-27-2006, 09:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Valiant

Oh and go look to see how many times LT has been shut down by the Chiefs defense... You konw the defense that is usually in the bottom 5th in the league defense...

Why does LT get shut down so much agianst the Chiefs???

nice point but uh...we're kinna tryin to forget about those days.....

LTforMVP · 11-27-2006, 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Valiant

Oh and go look to see how many times LT has been shut down by the Chiefs defense... You konw the defense that is usually in the bottom 5th in the league defense...

Why does LT get shut down so much agianst the Chiefs???

you sound like denver fan right before LT lit them up for 4 TDs and 170 yards @ Denver

stevieray · 11-27-2006, 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by LTforMVP

you sound like denver fan right before LT lit them up for 4 TDs and 170 yards @ Denver

you sound like a poser who just showed up to show off his new box of crayons.

LTforMVP · 11-27-2006, 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Valiant

You didn't even bring up my point about last year with our balanced offense adn LJ annilihating LT in stats???? Why the deflection??? That was your who basis on LT being better this year...

Agian answer the whole damn question...

annilihate? LOL

LJ had 1 more TD and 161 more yards from scrimmage thats about ten per game behind the best O line in football

LTforMVP · 11-27-2006, 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by stevieray

you sound like a poser who just showed up to show off his new box of crayons.

you sound jealous

|Zach| · 11-27-2006, 09:55 AM

I think it is interesting...when you hear Chiefs fans talk about LT you have to consider his body of work against us. It isn't that good, esp when you consider how terrible our defense has been and his status (deserved) as an elite back.

Here are his totals .vs KC since '02

-2002-
78 yards on 28 carries
131 yards on 31 carries (obviously a good game)

-2003-
34 yards on 13 carries
106 yards on 19 carries

-2004-
46 yards on 21 carries
Did not play a second game

-2005-
69 yards on 17 carries
47 yards on 14 carries

This year it is 66 yards on 16 carries

There are some good games mixed in but you would think the best back in the league could tear up this defense worse...there are some real stinkers in there. He is still an elite back...maybe the best but in the eyes of Chiefs fans...there are a lot of other things to fear.

**Iowanian** · 11-27-2006, 09:56 AM

Personally, I think tomlinson is a better overall back than LJ.

Whats funny, is not 5 weeks ago, alot of Dolt fans were calling for Michael Turner to be the starter and suggesting that LT had "lost his burst". I told them they were idiots too.

Johnson is evolving every week....anyone who thinks he's a "jerome bettis grinder" hasn't been watching, and sure didn't see the stop n go that juked Ian Gold out of his jock on Thanksgiving night.

**noa** · 11-27-2006, 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Iowanian

Personally, I think tomlinson is a better overall back than LJ.

LJ agrees with you. He said so on Cold Pizza a few weeks ago.

LTforMVP · 11-27-2006, 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by (Zach)

I think it is interesting...when you hear Chiefs fans talk about LT you have to consider his body of work against us. It isn't that good, esp when you consider how terrible our defense has been and his status (deserved) as an elite back.

Here are his totals .vs KC since '02

-2002-
78 yards on 28 carries
131 yards on 31 carries (obviously a good game)

-2003-
34 yards on 13 carries
106 yards on 19 carries

-2004-
46 yards on 21 carries
Did not play a second game

-2005-
69 yards on 17 carries
47 yards on 14 carries

This year it is 66 yards on 16 carries

There are some good games mixed in but you would think the best back in the league could tear up this defense worse...there are some real stinkers in there. He is still an elite back...maybe the best but in the eyes of Chiefs fans...there are a lot of other things to fear.

lol how conveniant of you to leave off recieving totals

**Iowanian** · 11-27-2006, 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by LTforMVP

you sound like denver fan right before LT lit them up for 4 TDs and 170 yards @ Denver

You sound like one of the tongue chewers who were calling for Turner a month ago, suggesting that LT was a 3rd down back.

I think LT is a better overall back, because of his ability in the passing game, blocking and quickness to the outside....That said, Johnson makes alot of runs for 1st downs that would have Tomlinson stuffed. In Short yardage, I'd take Johnson any day.

|Zach| · 11-27-2006, 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by LTforMVP

lol how conveniant of you to leave off recieving totals

Nobody is forgetting that he does well with receiving...alot of times he gets his yards in that respect but when he doesn't get them on the ground he doesn't dominate a game...

Ball control...keeping a defense on the field...you don't take over a game like LJ does by getting receptions out of the backfield you do it by running.

stevieray · 11-27-2006, 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by LTforMVP

you sound jealous

of what?

i'm not the one comparing a five year back to a 20 game back..i'm also not on a chargers board bragging about gold and silver crayons.

time will tell.

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11-27-2006, 07:23 AM	#166
tiptap Is this it? Join Date: Jan 2004 Casino cash: $10007847	My two cent take. Both backs are wonderful and wonderful to watch. LJ does have all these carries but if you add in the catches for LT to his carries the number of touches even out. And at the end of most plays you still get tackled so the punishment is close to the same for both backs. When you look at averages on carries that can be misleading be itself. You need also to consider not just the mean value of a carry but the mode and median numbers. And this is telling for LJ. LT tends to have a great mean number because he hits for long runs mixed in with 2 or 3 yard carries. LJ has the highest MODE number in that he actually carries for 4 yds with each carry most of the time. He doesn't have the number of big runs that the other elite backs have. He is the workhorse (duh). I do wish that we can start putting Bennett in the mix more. It will mean that the offense is coming back to being more opened. That is what I hope to see going forward. __________________ Even a superstitious man has certain inalienable rights. He has a right to harbor and indulge his imbecilities as long as he pleases. . . He has a right to argue for them as eloquently as he can, in season and out of season. He has a right to teach them to his children. But certainly he has no right to be protected against the free criticism of those who do not hold them. He has no right to demand that they be treated as sacred. He has no right to preach them without challenge." -H.L. Mencken
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11-27-2006, 09:55 AM	#174
\|Zach\| For The Glory Of The City Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Kansas City Casino cash: $3096768	I think it is interesting...when you hear Chiefs fans talk about LT you have to consider his body of work against us. It isn't that good, esp when you consider how terrible our defense has been and his status (deserved) as an elite back. Here are his totals .vs KC since '02 -2002- 78 yards on 28 carries 131 yards on 31 carries (obviously a good game) -2003- 34 yards on 13 carries 106 yards on 19 carries -2004- 46 yards on 21 carries Did not play a second game -2005- 69 yards on 17 carries 47 yards on 14 carries This year it is 66 yards on 16 carries There are some good games mixed in but you would think the best back in the league could tear up this defense worse...there are some real stinkers in there. He is still an elite back...maybe the best but in the eyes of Chiefs fans...there are a lot of other things to fear.
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Iowanian Supporter Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Utopia Casino cash: $1728454	Personally, I think tomlinson is a better overall back than LJ. Whats funny, is not 5 weeks ago, alot of Dolt fans were calling for Michael Turner to be the starter and suggesting that LT had "lost his burst". I told them they were idiots too. Johnson is evolving every week....anyone who thinks he's a "jerome bettis grinder" hasn't been watching, and sure didn't see the stop n go that juked Ian Gold out of his jock on Thanksgiving night.
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