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Old 01-08-2007, 12:05 PM   #1
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I personally think the whole "learning the passing game" is overblown.
then why was important enough for Herm to bring up?

why do people all throughout the league struggle with it?

why are owners throughout the league paying OC's millions to do what a monkey should be able to do?


we are flirting with disaster to basically give our offensive coordinator "on the job" training .... especially since he's under a offensively challenged Head coach.


i'm just sayin'


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Old 01-08-2007, 12:17 PM   #2
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then why was important enough for Herm to bring up?

why do people all throughout the league struggle with it?

why are owners throughout the league paying OC's millions to do what a monkey should be able to do?


we are flirting with disaster to basically give our offensive coordinator "on the job" training .... especially since he's under a offensively challenged Head coach.


i'm just sayin'


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I'm not saying that learning the passing game is easy enough for an internet QB like you or me to figure out, I'm saying that Mike Solari has been an offensive coach in this league for well over a decade and I don't think it's a stretch for him to figure it out. As a line coach, he's had to coach the line on passing plays as well as running plays. It's not like he was only aware of running plays. How could a WR coach like Al Saunders ever grasp the running game in his first year as a coordinator?
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Old 01-08-2007, 01:22 PM   #3
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I'm not saying that learning the passing game is easy enough for an internet QB like you or me to figure out, I'm saying that Mike Solari has been an offensive coach in this league for well over a decade and I don't think it's a stretch for him to figure it out. As a line coach, he's had to coach the line on passing plays as well as running plays. It's not like he was only aware of running plays. How could a WR coach like Al Saunders ever grasp the running game in his first year as a coordinator?
i understand, but Al saunders has been in this offensive system for years ... clear back to Dan Fouts. He's been wide receivers coach,assistant head coach,head coach ... all with basically the same offensive system.




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Al Saunders played Defensive Back at San Jose State University (SJSU) from 1966-1968 where he was a three-year starter, team captain and Academic All-American. Saunders also played Wide Receiver for the San Jose State Spartans.

In the 1970's, Al Saunders joined the coaching staff at San Diego State University (SDSU), whose SDSU Aztecs were then under the control of Head Coach Don Coryell. Saunders would go with Coryell to NFL when Coryell became the Head Coach of the San Diego Chargers.

From 1983-1986, Saunders was the wide receivers coach for the Chargers.

He was tapped as the Charger's Interim Head Coach when Coryell resigned during the middle of the 1986 season.

Saunders would eventually replace Coryell as the Head Coach from 1986-1988.

From 1989-1998, Saunders was with the Kansas City Chiefs, where he served as the Assistant Head Coach and Wide Receivers Coach under Marty Schottenheimer.

Saunders would then join the St. Louis Rams coaching staff. From 1999-2000 he served as the Wide Receivers Coach under Dick Vermeil and later as Assistant Head Coach under Mike Martz. During this period, the Rams won Super Bowl XXXIV in 2000.

Saunders would rejoin the Kansas City Chiefs in 2001 as the Offensive Coordinator when Vermeil came out of retirement. In his second stint with the Chiefs, Saunders built the NFL's top offense, which was ranked #1 in the NFL from 2002-2005.

On January 19, 2006, he joined the coaching staff of the Washington Redskins as the Associate Head Coach - Offense, reuniting him with fellow "Air Coryell" alumn~
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Old 01-08-2007, 02:17 PM   #4
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Jaws just nailed it on ESPN "no motion, no creativity of formation, no trickery" as plain as vanilla pudding.
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Old 01-08-2007, 04:38 PM   #5
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Jaws just nailed it on ESPN "no motion, no creativity of formation, no trickery" as plain as vanilla pudding.
No trickery? You mean just lining up in the I-Formation and handing it to Larry wasn't clever? I was stunned at how few PA passes were attempted. At least fake the fake, y'know?
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Old 01-08-2007, 04:58 PM   #6
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No trickery? You mean just lining up in the I-Formation and handing it to Larry wasn't clever? I was stunned at how few PA passes were attempted. At least fake the fake, y'know?
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I'm in full agreeance KCJ, thats why i REFUSE to be shouted down around here by some who think the players should be able to make ANY turdburger the coaches throw out work to perfection.

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Old 01-08-2007, 05:31 PM   #7
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I'm in full agreeance KCJ, thats why i REFUSE to be shouted down around here by some who think the players should be able to make ANY turdburger the coaches throw out work to perfection.

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Old 01-08-2007, 05:00 PM   #8
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From the sounds of this article, next season we will be even more "vanilla" [cough]predictable[/cough] than this season. If so, next season is already a loss.




I'm thinking that we need to get 15 OL, all over 300# that can run 4.7 or faster, 3 more RB's and a couple of fast QBs - they don't need an arm or accurate pass 'cause they won't be throwing.

Here's the plan...

We line up a QB (Only needed for option play or choosing which RB gets the ball), 2 RB, and 8 OL. That way, we can force our will to run on any opponent.

We could put in turf for better footing and call our new O "3 yards and a cloud of lint".
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Old 01-08-2007, 05:01 PM   #9
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Jaws just nailed it on ESPN "no motion, no creativity of formation, no trickery" as plain as vanilla pudding.
Damn I didn't even recognize that.

Saunders always used shifting and motion and try to trick the D.

Alright Herm and Solari need to be....well I can't really say it in public.
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Old 01-08-2007, 07:02 PM   #10
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Damn I didn't even recognize that.

Saunders always used shifting and motion and try to trick the D.

Alright Herm and Solari need to be....well I can't really say it in public.
I heard Lenny Dawson say on 810 this mornign that all that motion and shifting was wasted energy...
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I heard Lenny Dawson say on 810 this mornign that all that motion and shifting was wasted energy...
Yea it sisn't work for us at all the last few years.
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I heard Lenny Dawson say on 810 this mornign that all that motion and shifting was wasted energy...
Er...that's a little weird.
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Old 01-08-2007, 07:11 PM   #13
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I heard Lenny Dawson say on 810 this mornign that all that motion and shifting was wasted energy...
Was he talking about against zone defenses? My understanding (albeit limited and this may be well known) is that much of the motion and shifting is used to reveal the man-to-man coverage and expose good matchups for the QB prior to the snap. Against a team like Indy, who stay in zone and never play man, it's useless and a waste. Not sure I'd say it's a waste against other teams.
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Old 01-08-2007, 07:25 PM   #14
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I heard Lenny Dawson say on 810 this mornign that all that motion and shifting was wasted energy...
It is if you do all that just to go run, run, pass punt.
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I heard Lenny Dawson say on 810 this mornign that all that motion and shifting was wasted energy...
I agree. Defenses are much smarter and faster. The shifts do not confuse the players. All it does is waste time so that we do not have time do audible out of a play.
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