Herm Did More With Less

**petegz28** · 10:31 AM

I know this is all reiterations but some need the reminder obviously...

No Roaf, no RT, an aged Will Shields, no T-Rich, no DT's above average, no Priest Holmes\LJ combo, no Saunders, rookie OC that had head in ass syndrome, injured starting QB for 8 weeks out of the gate..

result:
9-7 record and playoff appearance.
Defense went from 31 to 16
Offense dropped from 1 - 16

Given everything he had to work with I would say the drop in offense was to be expected.

Could we have made some better decisions? Sure
Is there room for improvment? Most definitely
Did we do better than what most would expect given the situation? Yes

So before you send Herm down the river I would say you have to ask yourself what might of happened with a real LT and FB offensively?

Archie Bunker · 02-06-2007, 10:30 AM

No argument from me. I think Herm did a pretty good coaching job this year.

FringeNC · 02-06-2007, 10:32 AM

And we fell from a top 5 Sagarin-ranked team to a bottom 15 Sagarin-ranked. team.

We were 5-7 against real football teams. Our ridiculously easy schedule masked just how far the team fell.

**petegz28** · 02-06-2007, 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by FringeNC

And we fell from a top 5 Sagarin-ranked team to a bottom 15 Sagarin-ranked. team.

We were 5-7 against real football teams. Our ridiculously easy schedule masked just how far the team fell.

Once again you seem to lose grasp of the realties.

Let's look at your commetns a sec...we fell from a top 5 team that never made it to the playoffs to a bottom 15 that made it...

HMMM...

No Roaf, No T-Rich, No Al Saunders, injured Trent Green..

WOW I wonder why we fell so much offensivley???

Sure-Oz · 02-06-2007, 10:35 AM

I'd rather not make the playoffs by relying on other teams and then one we get in lay a damn goose egg on offense and really show that we didn't belong.

Warrior5 · 02-06-2007, 10:35 AM

I completely agree with this.

Having said that, I'm giving him '07 as a rebuilding year. He'll lose my confidence if the Chiefs don't contend in '08.

dj56dt58 · 02-06-2007, 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by petegz28

Once again you seem to lose grasp of the realties.

Let's look at your commetns a sec...we fell from a top 5 team that never made it to the playoffs to a bottom 15 that made it...

HMMM...

No Roaf, No T-Rich, No Al Saunders, injured Trent Green..

WOW I wonder why we fell so much offensivley???

because Herm doesn't know what a forward pass is? You can't blame it all on Solari..you have to blame Herm as well. He's the head coach, therefore it was just as much his job, if not more, to make better decisions on offense.

**petegz28** · 02-06-2007, 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Sure-Oz

I'd rather not make the playoffs by relying on other teams and then one we get in lay a damn goose egg on offense and really show that we didn't belong.

Really? I will take it any way I can.

**petegz28** · 02-06-2007, 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by dj56dt58

because Herm doesn't know what a forward pass is? You can't blame it all on Solari..you have to blame Herm as well. He's the head coach, therefore it was just as much his job, if not more, to make better decisions on offense.

I agree but in the light of things what pass protection did you see that would allow us to go down field?

I think Solari just didn't know how to call a game. Hopefulyl that will change.

And no it was NOT his job to make more decisions on offense. That is what an OC is for.

We saw what happened with Vermeil and the defense. So naturally with Herm you are going to see some of the opposite.

Sure-Oz · 02-06-2007, 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by petegz28

Really? I will take it any way I can.

I will take getting into the playoffs anyway as well, but atleast show up and make the game interesting for more than a quarter. Our showing was the worst I can remember in recent memory in the playoffs.

FringeNC · 02-06-2007, 10:43 AM

I don't see how one could be optimistic after watching perhaps the worst-coached NFL game ever.

**petegz28** · 02-06-2007, 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Sure-Oz

I will take getting into the playoffs anyway as well, but atleast show up and make the game interesting for more than a quarter. Our showing was the worst I can remember in recent memory in the playoffs.

Well I won't argue that. But I think some of that had to do with Freeney eating up Black, Weigman unable to power block and a genuine lack of mixing up play calls.

By the same token our D shut down the Colts offense.

Oh yeah and our all-world kicker missing chip shots.

**petegz28** · 02-06-2007, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by FringeNC

I don't see how one could be optimistic after watching perhaps the worst-coached NFL game ever.

Dude if it is one thing I have learned since the salary cap it's you can never predict next year based on last year.

FringeNC · 02-06-2007, 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by petegz28

Dude if it is one thing I have learned since the salary cap it's you can never predict next year based on last year.

I agree. I'd be very optimistic if we swapped Herm for Belichick. I'd say start printing playoff tickets.

Sure-Oz · 02-06-2007, 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by petegz28

Well I won't argue that. But I think some of that had to do with Freeney eating up Black, Weigman unable to power block and a genuine lack of mixing up play calls.

By the same token our D shut down the Colts offense.

Oh yeah and our all-world kicker missing chip shots.

Yeah, the defense did a really good job of keeping us in it the whole game. It was a shame to waste that effort. I will give Herm another year or 2 at the worst. There has to be adjustements and he had to have learned something from that loss. I'd hope.

02-06-2007, 10:23 AM
petegz28 Supporter Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Olathe, Ks Casino cash: $-1055873	Herm Did More With Less I know this is all reiterations but some need the reminder obviously... No Roaf, no RT, an aged Will Shields, no T-Rich, no DT's above average, no Priest Holmes\LJ combo, no Saunders, rookie OC that had head in ass syndrome, injured starting QB for 8 weeks out of the gate.. result: 9-7 record and playoff appearance. Defense went from 31 to 16 Offense dropped from 1 - 16 Given everything he had to work with I would say the drop in offense was to be expected. Could we have made some better decisions? Sure Is there room for improvment? Most definitely Did we do better than what most would expect given the situation? Yes So before you send Herm down the river I would say you have to ask yourself what might of happened with a real LT and FB offensively? Last edited by petegz28; 02-06-2007 at 10:31 AM..
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02-06-2007, 10:30 AM	#2
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02-06-2007, 10:32 AM	#3
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FringeNC MVP Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: NC Casino cash: $-1743986	I don't see how one could be optimistic after watching perhaps the worst-coached NFL game ever.
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