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Old 04-28-2007, 04:41 PM   #46
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The Chiefs didn't agree with me on junior siavii pick Either yet any one with common nfl sense knew it was a bad pick.
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Old 04-28-2007, 04:46 PM   #47
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Did I say every QB with good college stats makes it in the NFL NO I said it gives him more of a chance then Croyle to make in the NFL.

Brodie became only the second freshman quarterback since 1979 to pass for over 1,000 yards in a season. Croyle had 1,046 yards passing. Brodie played in 12 of the Tide's 13 games, earning starts in consecutive games against Arkansas and Georgia. He played a total of 327 snaps on the season. Brodie finished hitting 60-of-123 passing attempts for 1,046 yards and five TDs

Brodie became the first sophomore in Alabama history to pass for 2,000 or more yards in a season. He was the Tide's starting quarterback in 11 of the 13 games, missing starts against Georgia and Southern Miss with a shoulder injury. He closed the season hitting on 182 of 341 attempts with 16 touchdowns

Pros: Has a strong arm that has drawn raves from NFL scouts. Has improved in every aspect of play and has the physical talent to become an NFL starter. He shows great poise and courage in the pocket and has the fire to direct an offense. Has a good feel for pressure in the pocket with quick mobility to avoid rushers. Has a compact delivery that wastes little motion and allows him to get the ball off nicely under pressure. His decision-making ranks very high in this talented class and he sees the field well.

Numbers: The most prolific passer in Crimson Tide history. He is first in career completions (488), attempts (869), yards (6,382) and TDs (41). He has a .562 career passing percentage and owns the school record with 190 consecutive completions without an interception. At the Combine, he ran a 4.9 with a 30.5-inch vertical jump and an 8-foot, 8-inch broad jump. He threw the ball very well in the passing drills.
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Old 04-28-2007, 04:49 PM   #48
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1st Answer The stats and injury speak for themselves

2nd Answer When you have a old QB who is on his way out (Huard) a good team looks a for a Good replacement.

3rd if the Fins are so confident how come they only want to give up a 6th for green?
1st... college stats only speak to a players potential in the NFL... nothing more... and players, especially young ones come back from injury all the time.

2nd... The Chiefs obviously feel Huard has a lot left... that's why they paid him. If he doesn't, they obviously feel good about Croyle too.

3rd... Of course the phins aren't going to offer much for a 37 year old QB... if they can get him for less why offer more? And the Chiefs are going to ask a lot for a guy who they (the phins) consider a starter. They'll probably meet in the middle. That's called negotiation.

You may be right about Quinn and Croyle. I'm not saying you won't be. Quinn MAY be great and Croyle MAY be a bust... but nobody knows yet. So far both are just unproven college players. You act as though you KNOW Quinn is going to be better than Croyle and you simply don't. That's just what you THINK.
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Old 04-28-2007, 04:49 PM   #49
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With Cleveland this guy will struggle at first.
Braylon Edwards may turn into a good FF pick.
KW Jr. may be more of a threat.

but it's still Cleveland
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Old 04-28-2007, 04:52 PM   #50
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The Chiefs didn't agree with me on junior siavii pick Either yet any one with common nfl sense knew it was a bad pick.
Right... no other team has ever drafted a player that didn't work out before. Maybe you should get a job with the Chiefs draft team.
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Old 04-28-2007, 04:52 PM   #51
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Trading next year's first is always a fool's bet, IMO.
Not always. I'll start by noting that I think a team like the Browns, where teh pick could easily be in the top 10, should almot never be traded away. BUT, I think, The Browns current leadership is trying desperately to save their jobs.

But other than that, picks and players are just commodities. Next year's pick is an unknown commodity, to a degree, because the position isn't determined, but teams already have a good sense of whether the draft is a strong or weak one, and how the player you intend to get now (a known commodity) compares to what is likely to be available next year, depending on the pick.

As a simple example, if a player is on the board in the early 2nd round that a team like the Pats, Chargers, Bears or Colts (all likely 10+ game winners with a pick likely in the bottom 1/3rd of next years draft) rate as a "first round value", then it would make sense to me for a team like that to trade a 1st next year to get that guy.
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Old 04-28-2007, 04:55 PM   #52
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Right... no other team has ever drafted a player that didn't work out before. Maybe you should get a job with the Chiefs draft team.
Come on man siavii is a pretty famous shitty pick most draft boards had him going in the 4th-6th rounds.
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Come on man siavii is a pretty famous shitty pick most draft boards had him going in the 4th-6th rounds.
Yes he was shitty. Bowe shouldn't be as shitty.
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Old 04-28-2007, 05:01 PM   #54
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1st... college stats only speak to a players potential in the NFL... nothing more... and players, especially young ones come back from injury all the time.

2nd... The Chiefs obviously feel Huard has a lot left... that's why they paid him. If he doesn't, they obviously feel good about Croyle too.

http://journorock.blogspot.com/2007/...chiefs-in.html

Huard is nothing more then a really good backup who is here why we wait and hope that croyle turns in to something.

3rd... Of course the phins aren't going to offer much for a 37 year old QB... if they can get him for less why offer more? And the Chiefs are going to ask a lot for a guy who they (the phins) consider a starter. They'll probably meet in the middle. That's called negotiation.

No one is going to offer much to a 37 year old who played like that after a head concussion.

You may be right about Quinn and Croyle. I'm not saying you won't be. Quinn MAY be great and Croyle MAY be a bust... but nobody knows yet. So far both are just unproven college players. You act as though you KNOW Quinn is going to be better than Croyle and you simply don't. That's just what you THINK. And any other nfl analyst
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I do understand Cleveland Way overpayed for what they got but ppl on here are acting like we shouldn't care because we have croyle and QB wasn't a need.
I can't speak for anybody else, but the reason I don't care is because we have needs everywhere, and there is no way I would have given up what Cleveland did. So basically, the whole thing is irrelevant.
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Old 04-28-2007, 05:52 PM   #56
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Quinn is more likely the next Rick Mirer, than Montana, IMO. I sure would have liked the extra picks, though.
exactly ...... take Quinn or take the extra picks IF cleveland traded with us.

we were on the brink of SOMETHING good and ended up with sly morris.
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I can't speak for anybody else, but the reason I don't care is because we have needs everywhere, and there is no way I would have given up what Cleveland did. So basically, the whole thing is irrelevant.
how can the whole thing be irrelevant?


several things could of happen that would of given us a chance with ending up with something extra .... something above and beyond.


1. Dallas takes Quinn (bad, but that really wasn't happening imo)

2. Dallas passes on Quinn and we take him ..... giving us a tremendous value pick and the best QB prospect we've had .... pfft...... ever.

3. Dallas passes on Quinn and Cleveland trades with us ... giving us an extra 2nd round pick this year and an extra 1st round pick next year. Have we ever had two 1st round picks? i don't think so.


instead we end up with the #23 pick of the draft .... meh
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exactly ...... take Quinn or take the extra picks IF cleveland traded with us.

we were on the brink of SOMETHING good and ended up with sly morris.


Sly Morris played 1-AA ball.

Bowe played in the *SEC*.

Don't be dumb.
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how can the whole thing be irrelevant?


several things could of happen that would of given us a chance with ending up with something extra .... something above and beyond.


1. Dallas takes Quinn (bad, but that really wasn't happening imo)

2. Dallas passes on Quinn and we take him ..... giving us a tremendous value pick and the best QB prospect we've had .... pfft...... ever.

3. Dallas passes on Quinn and Cleveland trades with us ... giving us an extra 2nd round pick this year and an extra 1st round pick next year. Have we ever had two 1st round picks? i don't think so.


instead we end up with the #23 pick of the draft .... meh
It's irrelevant to me because none of those things happened.
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how can the whole thing be irrelevant?


several things could of happen that would of given us a chance with ending up with something extra .... something above and beyond.


1. Dallas takes Quinn (bad, but that really wasn't happening imo)

2. Dallas passes on Quinn and we take him ..... giving us a tremendous value pick and the best QB prospect we've had .... pfft...... ever.

3. Dallas passes on Quinn and Cleveland trades with us ... giving us an extra 2nd round pick this year and an extra 1st round pick next year. Have we ever had two 1st round picks? i don't think so.


instead we end up with the #23 pick of the draft .... meh
I was fishing and listening to Fox radio.

Dallas told EVERYBODY right before their pick that they were taking Quinn.

Dallas had the cards.

There's not one thing here to blame the Chiefs for.
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