I-70 Series Game 1 - Page 11

Coach · 06-18-2007, 06:10 PM

Game is at St. Louis. Royals have took 2 out of 3 at the K.

Kansas City
D. DeJesus cf
E. German 2b
M. Teahen rf
E. Brown lf
A. Gordon 3b
J. Buck c
R. Shealy 1b
T. Pena Jr.
O. Perez p

St. Louis
S. Taguchi cf
S. Spiezio 2b
A. Pujols 1b
J. Encarnacion rf
S. Rolen 3b
R. Ludwick lf
A. Miles ss
G. Bennett c
A. Wainwright p

'Hamas' Jenkins · 06-18-2007, 09:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Miles

It has been a really long time since I have seen Dotel pitch. After he gave up the first hit his stuff looked pretty damn good.

I remember when Houston got rid of Wagner, I thought Dotel would step right in and not lose a step. I was really surprised when they jettisoned him to Oakland, and put Lidge in his stead. As their setup man in '02-'03, he was brutal.

Mr. Laz · 06-18-2007, 09:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BWillie007

Can anybody tell me again why John Buck plays half of the time?

i wonder the same

LaRue should only be giving him a break

i think we should see what Brown can do as a daily too.

German seems to be struggling with a bunch of playing time ....... but we probably should find out about him too.

Miles · 06-18-2007, 09:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

I remember when Houston got rid of Wagner, I thought Dotel would step right in and not lose a step. I was really surprised when they jettisoned him to Oakland, and put Lidge in his stead. As their setup man in '02-'03, he was brutal.

I actually thought Lidge was really good in his setup role. He as a rookie and wore down in the 2nd half. Lidge in the 8th and Dotel in the 9th was a damn nice combo.

In '04 I remember Dotel getting off to a fairly shaky start and Lidge looking very dominate.

Pitt Gorilla · 06-18-2007, 09:12 PM

The Royals could have ended up with just about everyone from that trade. Had we resigned Beltran, we just about would have. I've defended that trade all along and it's nice to see that it has worked out well for us.

PunkinDrublic · 06-18-2007, 09:28 PM

Quality smack about tard fans that I found online

Cardinal Nation is ruining the Cards for me
June 21, 2006

"Hi, everybody!"

"Hi, Dr. (Cy)nic!"

OK, there's my first lame Simpsons reference; I promise not to do any more for at least a month. (Note: That doesn't exclude other lame references to TV shows and movies. Expect plenty of those.) I'm Shawn, I'm cynical and bitter, and this is my blog. Nice to meet you.

The first thing everyone should know about me: I'm a Kansas City Royals fan. They're my first baseball love. The Cardinals are my second . . . well, sort of. I've always liked them, but my feelings always fell just short of love. Forget all the St. Louis vs. KC drama -- why can't a native Missourian root for both teams?

But after living in St. Louis for a little more than a year, I can guarantee that my fond feelings for the Cardinals will never blossom into love. In fact, they might be withering into hate. There's one simple reason: I can't stand most Cardinals fans. Here are the two main reasons.

They don't realize how good they have it. There's a prevailing sentiment in this town, spearheaded by a few local sports personalities, that Cardinals owner Bill DeWitt and the organization in general is cheap. That they aren't spending enough on their team. Fans of the Cardinals complaining about their owner pinching pennies is about as ridiculous as Ashlee Simpson complaining about Lindsay Lohan being a no-talent hack. The Cardinals payroll hovers around $90 million, which puts it, at worst, in the top 20 percent of the league. You want to talk about cheap owners? Look in Kansas City, Pittsburgh, Tampa Bay, Florida, Minnesota, etc. There's nothing more obnoxious than a fan of a team whose payroll exceeds the GNP of Togo complaining about that team's owner being cheap.

They aren't the "best fans in baseball." If I had a nickel for every time I heard a Cardinals backer start talking about this as if it were a conceded fact, I'd be at the World Cup right now. I'm not trying to say they're the worst fans, but there's no way they're the best. To be the best in baseball, a fan base needs to show better-than-average knowledge of the game in addition to extreme loyalty. Cards fans definitely don't show the required baseball IQ -- unless you count booing about the same old things (the pitcher throwing to first, intentional walks of a dangerous hitter with a base open, etc.) every common fan boos about. Who's the best? I don't know -- Maybe Red Sox or Yankees' fans? I just know it isn't Cardinals fans. Don't believe me? Here are a couple examples of Cards fans being . . . well . . . dumb:

1) Every time an opposing player hits a home run, Budweiser-fueled fans in the outfield bleachers start screaming for the person who caught the ball to ''throw it back.'' What's so bad about that, you ask? ''Throwing it back'' is a Wrigley Field tradition; the Cubs are the Cardinals' biggest rivals. The ''best fans in baseball'' can't imitate the traditions of their most hated rivals. 2) Cardinals fans give out curtain calls like Busch Stadium is a Broadway stage. Curtain calls are not supposed to be a nightly occurrence in baseball, folks. So Taguchi hitting an RBI single with the bases loaded to win the game should NOT be a curtain-call worthy occurrence. But it still happens in St. Louis. Oh, and one last thing: Stop mentioning being named ''Best Sports City'' by Sporting News when claiming the ''best fans'' title. St. Louis indeed was named BSC -- in 2002. That was four years ago. SN has named three cities BSC since then. It's a yearly award. Get the picture?

The worst thing is that I want to love the Cardinals. I love the way they play, and how can you not love that tradition? (I'm talking about the tradition of hard-nosed play and devotion to the game, not necessarily about the winning) But if I start loving the Cardinals, then I become a member of a fan base I can't stand. And I can't do that. That leaves me watching the Royals lose a ton of games, waiting for their next pitching prospect to flame out and waiting for college football season. Thanks a lot, Cardinal nation. Oh well . . . at least I've got fantasy baseball!

So which team has the best fans? Anybody want to visit this debate

duncan_idaho · 06-18-2007, 10:00 PM

Direckshun:
That's a great find.... I wrote that!

chiefqueen · 06-18-2007, 10:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BWillie007

Can anybody tell me again why John Buck plays half of the time?

To have him play full-time wouldn't be fair to LaRue.

BWillie · 06-18-2007, 10:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pitt Gorilla

The Royals could have ended up with just about everyone from that trade. Had we resigned Beltran, we just about would have. I've defended that trade all along and it's nice to see that it has worked out well for us.

Allan Baird lives! I kinda thought we canned Allan Baird a little too soon. He was trying to build a good team through small market baseball about the only way he knew how. If only Allan had the persuasiveness to get Glass to allow him to pay someone like Gil Meche 55 Million we would probably better off than worse. Probalby wouldn't of traded Joey Gathright for JP Howell, among other things. Anybody who says Odalis Perez is a good pickup is a ****ing moron too.

**luv** · 06-18-2007, 10:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PunkinDrublic

So which team has the best fans? Anybody want to visit this debate

I root for the Cardinals, but I would say that the Royals (of the Missouri teams) have the better fans.

Eleazar · 06-18-2007, 10:49 PM

best sports city? I guess all those fans come dressed up as empty chairs to the other games in town..

Mr. Laz · 06-18-2007, 11:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by luv

I root for the Cardinals

i'll never picture you in my mind the same way again.

**luv** · 06-18-2007, 11:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Laz

i'll never picture you in my mind the same way again.

You act like I follow them enough to know more than five players names on the team. I don't. I went to see them as a kid a lot, and my favorite player of all time is Ozzie Smith. That's it.

Why am I defending myself?

Mr. Laz · 06-18-2007, 11:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by luv

Why am I defending myself?

cause you enjoy being the subject of my imagination?

you're very flexible btw.....

Frazod · 06-19-2007, 12:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by luv

Why am I defending myself?

I've given up trying to understand the hatred. The Cardinals and Royals haven't played a meaningful game for nearly 22 years, and the Royals won it. But for some reason the Cardinals are teh debil.

I've always rooted for both of them, growing up in Jefferson City. They never played against each other until I was 20, so it wasn't a problem when I was kid.

I try not to partake in purported Cardinal fan arrogance, or get riled up by OBVIOUS Royal fan bitterness. When these teams play each other, I stay neutral.

**luv** · 06-19-2007, 12:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by frazod

I've given up trying to understand the hatred. The Cardinals and Royals haven't played a meaningful game for nearly 22 years, and the Royals won it. But for some reason the Cardinals are teh debil.

I've always rooted for both of them, growing up in Jefferson City. They never played against each other until I was 20, so it wasn't a problem when I was kid.

I try not to partake in purported Cardinal fan arrogance, or get riled up by OBVIOUS Royal fan bitterness. When these teams play each other, I stay neutral.

My sentiments exactly. I reserve my hatred for such teams as the Cubs and Yankees.

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