Oh, Herm...you really put your foot in it this time... - Page 5

Hammock Parties · 09-04-2007, 04:33 PM

Well, this should be fun!

http://www.kcchiefs.com/news/2007/09...onference__94/

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Now, our offense will have to gel. Will it be a slow-starting? I don’t know. We haven’t played yet. I’ll answer that after we play. When we score seven points I’ll say we’re slow starting. If we score 21 points, I’ll say, ‘whoa, we scored a lot of points.’ 21 points is a lot, 30 points isn’t a football game. That’s Arena Football. We’re talking about real football.”

Hammock Parties · 09-04-2007, 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by cdcox

Just like it would be in good fun of the CEO of Coca-cola came out and said that they were going to add carcingenic compunds to their products, but still made sure they were below FDA mandated levels. He's damaging the perception of the team's chances among the fans.

Talk is cheap.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 09-04-2007, 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Bob Dole

Because our defense looked so good matched up against other teams in preseason.

Actually, the starters only gave up 22 points total in 4 games.

5.5 points per game.

Even counting the scrubs, we only gave up 17ppg.

**cdcox** · 09-04-2007, 05:21 PM

In 2005, Herm got all pissed about us running up the score against his Jets, like it was unsportsmanlike or something. I think he really believes that there is shame in scoring too many points.

Sure-Oz · 09-04-2007, 05:21 PM

He seriously needs to stop talking, 21 points is alot??? wtf

**2112** · 09-04-2007, 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by GOATSE

Yes, Billy, we know you don't like Herm Edwards. Let's see how your boy genius Mangina does this year...I have a feeling you're going to be disappointed.

How about that great Chad Pennington?

I'm not a Pennington fan, but I trust Mangini's judgement.

And we have a running game this year.

We'll see, I like the hard schedule.

BigVE · 09-04-2007, 05:23 PM

This just makes me think of that thread about "you KNEEL to win the game" where if you kneel down to stop the clock at least two times in the game your odds of winning are HUGE. (sigh)

Coach · 09-04-2007, 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by GOATSE

Yes, Billy, we know you don't like Herm Edwards. Let's see how your boy genius Mangina does this year...I have a feeling you're going to be disappointed.

How about that great Chad Pennington?

It would not surprise me if the Jets perform better than KC in almost all aspects of the game.

And Pennington > Huard.

Hammock Parties · 09-04-2007, 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Bill Parcells

I'm not a Pennington fan, but I trust Mangini's judgement.

And we have a running game this year.

Yeah, Thomas Jones is one scary RB.

TN_Chief · 09-04-2007, 05:27 PM

9 safetys and a field goal gents...that's what Chiefs football is all about.

**2112** · 09-04-2007, 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by GOATSE

Yeah, Thomas Jones is one scary RB.

Leon Washington, fool

**Donger** · 09-04-2007, 05:29 PM

That transcript isn't complete.

"That's when you score every time you get the football, you score. We're talking about real football. 21 points is a lot of points."

**Bearcat** · 09-04-2007, 05:30 PM

I'm all for "defense wins championships", but like someone said, not scoring "a lot" of points per game gives the defense little room for error.

Besides scoring these insane amount of points, these teams also average a touchdown more than their opponents per game... and if you take Atlanta out, it's 8.5. You don't win championships by beating your opponents by a point a game; aka "playing not to lose".

2006
Indianapolis 26.7 offense PPG / 22.6 defense PPG
Chicago 26.7 (23.2 without defense/special teams) / 15.9
New Orleans 25.8 / 20.1
New England 24.1 / 14.8

2005
Seattle 28.3 / 16.9
Denver 24.7 / 16.1
Carolina 24.4 / 16.2
Pittsburgh 24.3 / 16.1

2004
New England 27.3 / 16.3
Pittsburgh 23.3 / 15.7
Philadelphia 24.1 / 16.3
Atlanta 21.3 / 21.1

Averages
Offense - 25 PPG
Defense - 17 PPG

Coach · 09-04-2007, 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Donger

That transcript isn't complete.

"That's when you score every time you get the football, you score. We're talking about real football. 21 points is a lot of points."

It's a competition. You score as many points as you can muster. If you believe that it's better to score points and control the clock by running instead of passing, that's fine. If you think that scoring a TD on at least every third posession (or once a quarter) is excessive, you're a douche.

To win a football game you need to look at the averages. You should AVERAGE more than 20 points per game, and hold opponents under 20 points per game.

When you score 20 or more, you should win unless your defense sucks.

Your GOAL should be to score at LEAST 21 points per game. At LEAST.

Even with a good defense, saying '21 is a lot of points' is why Herm will never coach a dominant team. Ever.

Hammock Parties · 09-04-2007, 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Bill Parcells

Leon Washington, fool

Cute little scatback you've got there.

**Dave Lane** · 09-04-2007, 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Micjones

Herm's a defensive coach.
Welcome to yesterday.
It's obvious that he's the antithesis of Dick Vermiel.

And while I hate the fact that he tinkered with something that wasn't broken I realize we shouldn't have to score 30 points to win football games.

I honestly think we'll do well if we can post 21 points from game to game.

It like when Marty was here. If the other team scored over 22 points you knew you could go play wiffle ball...

Dvae

09-04-2007, 05:21 PM	#63
cdcox www.nfl-forecast.com Join Date: Sep 2000 Casino cash: $-548231	In 2005, Herm got all pissed about us running up the score against his Jets, like it was unsportsmanlike or something. I think he really believes that there is shame in scoring too many points.
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BigVE Veteran Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: centralKs Casino cash: $10005250	This just makes me think of that thread about "you KNEEL to win the game" where if you kneel down to stop the clock at least two times in the game your odds of winning are HUGE. (sigh) __________________ Meh.
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TN_Chief Herm Edwards is...Kim Jong-il Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Eden Prairie, MN Casino cash: $10004900	9 safetys and a field goal gents...that's what Chiefs football is all about.
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Donger "Think BOOM!" Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: 33.675° N 106.475° W Casino cash: $6819900 VARSITY	That transcript isn't complete. "That's when you score every time you get the football, you score. We're talking about real football. 21 points is a lot of points." __________________ I think the young people enjoy it when I "get down," verbally, don't you?
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09-04-2007, 05:30 PM	#72
Bearcat Would an idiot do that? Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Arizona Casino cash: $-1015069	I'm all for "defense wins championships", but like someone said, not scoring "a lot" of points per game gives the defense little room for error. Besides scoring these insane amount of points, these teams also average a touchdown more than their opponents per game... and if you take Atlanta out, it's 8.5. You don't win championships by beating your opponents by a point a game; aka "playing not to lose". 2006 Indianapolis 26.7 offense PPG / 22.6 defense PPG Chicago 26.7 (23.2 without defense/special teams) / 15.9 New Orleans 25.8 / 20.1 New England 24.1 / 14.8 2005 Seattle 28.3 / 16.9 Denver 24.7 / 16.1 Carolina 24.4 / 16.2 Pittsburgh 24.3 / 16.1 2004 New England 27.3 / 16.3 Pittsburgh 23.3 / 15.7 Philadelphia 24.1 / 16.3 Atlanta 21.3 / 21.1 Averages Offense - 25 PPG Defense - 17 PPG
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