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pikesome · 09-11-2007, 09:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

So why isn't Charlie Weis on the hotseat? He's basically doing the exact same thing Willingham did, I await as someone will cry racism, expect it.

I also think this is kinda dumb to act like ND should just get a pass. They have top rated recruiting classes, SC didn't totally suck after we lost guys.

He is in alot of people's minds and I've already heard the race card played. Maybe that contract he signed makes him too expensive to fire, dunno. I'd like to know what he's screwing up though, is it coaching, game planning, recruiting, what?

DomerNKC · 09-11-2007, 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by pikesome

He is in alot of people's minds and I've already heard the race card played. Maybe that contract he signed makes him too expensive to fire, dunno. I'd like to know what he's screwing up though, is it coaching, game planning, recruiting, what?

Weis is playing with the recruiting class that got Ty fired. It wasn't really the horrible class that he was (or wasn't) recruiting. Willingham was fired because we thought we had the inside track to Urban Meyer. We fired Willingham thinking we had Meyer, then Urban picked Florida. By the way, Weis will get more opportunity because he is one of ours. He Graduated from Notre Dame in 1978.

**DaKCMan AP** · 09-12-2007, 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by DomerNKC

\ Willingham was fired because we thought we had the inside track to Urban Meyer. We fired Willingham thinking we had Meyer, then Urban picked Florida.

HA-HA

HolmeZz · 09-11-2007, 09:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

So why isn't Charlie Weis on the hotseat? He's basically doing the exact same thing Willingham did, I await as someone will cry racism, expect it.

I also think this is kinda dumb to act like ND should just get a pass. They have top rated recruiting classes, SC didn't totally suck after we lost guys.

Weis is bringing in top rated recruiting classes. Willingham wasn't. Weis' first recruiting class are currently sophomores and really none of them played last year on a veteran team. It's gonna take just a tad bit longer than that to re-stock the whole program.

Mecca · 09-11-2007, 09:51 PM

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Originally Posted by HolmeZz

Weis is bringing in top rated recruiting classes. Willingham wasn't. Weis' first recruiting class are currently sophomores and really none of them played last year on a veteran team. It's gonna take just a tad bit longer than that to re-stock the whole program.

That's why you gotta play the best players man, at SC it doesn't matter. If the best player is a freshman he plays over the senior. USC played a ton of freshman and sophomores last year they didn't suck at all.

HolmeZz · 09-11-2007, 10:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

That's why you gotta play the best players man, at SC it doesn't matter. If the best player is a freshman he plays over the senior. USC played a ton of freshman and sophomores last year they didn't suck at all.

It wasn't a matter of not being talented enough, it's a matter of not being ready.

Jenson71 · 09-11-2007, 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

So why isn't Charlie Weis on the hotseat? He's basically doing the exact same thing Willingham did, I await as someone will cry racism, expect it.

From our boy Whitlock, in 2005:

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2...hitlock/051101

DomerNKC · 09-11-2007, 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Jenson71

From our boy Whitlock, in 2005:

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=whitlock/051101

Yet another time to cry wolf. How many times has he ever been right? Ever? There is more slanted spin in that witlock piece than on a Tiger Woods wedge shot.

ottawa_chiefs_fan · 09-13-2007, 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

So why isn't Charlie Weis on the hotseat?

Probably his track record of Super Bowl victories?

HolmeZz · 09-13-2007, 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

So why isn't Charlie Weis on the hotseat?

Part of Stewart Mandel's column on SI(he's a ND hater):

"Do we need further proof that recruiting-class rankings are totally bogus than watching the team currently fielded by Notre Dame? Charlie Weis has been bringing in these supposed top 10 recruiting classes every year, and frankly, the team I saw play last Saturday didn't appear to have so much as one blue chip player on it. What gives? Where is all this talent Weis has been bringing in?
--Jim Loiner, Spaldwick, UK

Amidst the Charlie Weis feeding frenzy that's already begun and will likely continue if Notre Dame starts 1-4, I think this is one area where he's actually being judged unfairly. Weis has only been there since February 2005. He's only had time to bring in two of these top 10 recruiting classes, and those players are currently in their first or second years on campus. One thing that never gets brought up -- but I think has a great deal to do with the Irish's expected dip this year -- is Notre Dame basically lost a complete recruiting cycle the year they fired Willingham and hired Weis. If you recall, Willingham was let go just after Thanksgiving weekend, while Weis remained with the Patriots through their Super Bowl run, which did not end until after Signing Day in February. Weis did as much as he could on the recruiting front, coming back for an official-visit weekend during a playoff bye week and what not, but c'mon. I can't imagine the Irish landed too many of their top targets that year.

That's a class that would be entering its third year right now and, under normal circumstances, making a huge impact. A check of the Irish's two-deep, however, reveals that just two members of that 2005 class, receiver David Grimes and fullback Asaph Schwapp, are currently listed as starters. So really, Weis is working with the fifth-year leftovers from Willingham's highly regarded 2003 class (which included four recent NFL draft picks, led by Brady Quinn, as well as baseball pro Jeff Samardzija), his 2004 class that Rivals.com ranked just 40th (and whose brightest star, RB Darius Walker, is gone as well) and a pair of top 10 classes whose members are still extremely young.

Now, next year, when those guys are all at least sophomores and juniors, and when Weis adds a freshman class that Rivals.com currently has ranked No. 1 in the country, there really will be no more excuses."

DomerNKC · 09-11-2007, 09:42 PM

True mecca. USC was great during the Hackett Years.

Mecca · 09-11-2007, 09:43 PM

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True mecca. USC was great during the Hackett Years.

Don't remind me of that, but hey you guys are still in your futility when was your last Bowl game win?

My point was, we lost Carson Palmer, Matt Leinart, Reggie Bush tons of NFL star type players that were top 10 picks and we didn't get a "pass" we continued to contend for the national title.

Mecca · 09-11-2007, 09:42 PM

Maybe it goes back to ND recruiting classes always being overrated....

pikesome · 09-11-2007, 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

Maybe it goes back to ND recruiting classes always being overrated....

I don't understand this. On one hand it's now fashionable to call ND overrated but yet so many sportcasters do it.

Mecca · 09-11-2007, 09:49 PM

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Originally Posted by pikesome

I don't understand this. On one hand it's now fashionable to call ND overrated but yet so many sportcasters do it.

For a long time they'd get classes rated in the top 10 that didn't have good players in them, they put them higher just because it was ND.

When Tom Lemming was ESPN's main guy, he also did that high school all star game not sure if he still does, there was a story where Lorenzo Booker flat said he tried to convince him to go to ND and not FSU. He'd constantly plug ND try to get guys to go there, overrate their classes.

ND always gets overrated because to older people they are the standard, to younger people we don't even remember them being good. They can make a bowl game they shouldn't be in and get trounced, let's all remember back to Chad Johnson, Housh and Oregon State raping them all over the field.

Remember the ridiculously stupid Ron Powlus hype?

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