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**Rain Man** · 11-18-2007, 07:33 PM

Back in the 1970s, our teams were bad. They lost games. They got soundly beaten by opponents. But you know what? I could live with it. The teams back then at least tried to win.

Now? I love this team. Love it. We've got massive talent on defense. We've got top-notch players on offense. We've got a new quarterback who can win, and we've got a potential superstar at wide receiver and legitimate superstarts at tight end and running back.

And we've got a coach who is biggest freaking idiot this side of Paul Hackett.

The last time I was this mad about a loss was against Indianapolis in 1995, when we lost home field in the playoffs because of the worst game plan, or rather lack of a game plan, in football history. And now we're repeating it on a weekly basis.

It's the fourth quarter. The score is tied. The best quarterback in the game is on the other sideline. And we freaking concede a drive? We don't even TRY to get a first down? We punt the ball to the most productive offense of the decade? Both teams had one opportunity to win the game, and our stupid, idiotic, moronic, imbecilic coaching staff VOLUNTARILY GAVE OUR CHANCE AWAY! THEY SAID, "WE DON'T WANT TO TRY TO SCORE, SO LET'S PLAY FOR A TIE AND PUNT IT PEYTON FREAKING MANNING." What sort of intellectual plant life would you have to be to do that? They voluntarily reduced our chances of winning to zero, and for no reason.

AAAAAAAAAAUUUUUUUUUGGGGGGHHHHHHHHH! I'm so mad about this that I can't stand it. They do this every freaking week. We have perhaps ten chances to score in a game, and they VOLUNTARILY give up on half of them! How does someone do this and keep their job? If I owned that team, that freaking coach-in-name-only would not get on the plane to come home. He would pay his own way back, and I would mail his office stuff to him in a box. I'd give the Arrowhead guards pepper spray and a picture of his unibrowed visage of confusion.

I can't do this any more. Just can't. This was the last straw. This was stupidity at it's finest. This was building the freaking Egyptian pyramids of stupidity. This was stupidity that will stand as a shining example of the art for the next four thousand years. Stupid scholars will study this game plan and write dissertations about it. It was miss-the-$100-question-on-Who- Wants-To-Be-A-Millionaire-after- using-all-of-your-lifelines stupid.

This is a good team. This is a strong team. This team could be very, very good if they were allowed to be. And you know what? Just trade them all. Trade them and stock up draft picks for a possible time when the stupid ownership of this team finally sells it to someone who will fire the stupid Haile Selassie president-for-life general manager and hire someone who will in turn fire the stupid "I think we get points for close losses" coaching staff, and then when those things happen maybe we can use those picks to field a competitive team. Until Herman Edwards is gone, and all photographs of his slackjawed RCA-Victor-Dog-Looking-At-Victrola face have been burned, just pile up picks and use semi-pro players, because the end result will be the same.

If I was Tony Gonzalez or Derrick Johnson or Jared Allen, I would go to Clark Hunt's office with a sleeping bag and I would not leave there until there's a regime change. Don't waste your career playing for piece of garbage idiot like Herm Edwards who can't even fathom trying to win a game.

Three drives! At least three drives where we just intentionally folded up. Didn't even try! "Eh, who cares? Just run for a few yards and punt it. Who cares?" Did these people never watch Joe Montana in the Super Bowl against Cincinnati? Do they not understand that the team with the most points wins? Where is the understanding here, people! Where?!?!?!?!

I HATE YOU, HERMAN EDWARDS! HATE! HATE, HATE, HATE! No, no. It's more than hate! Far more than hate. It's outright despisal!

YOU PLAY...TO WIN...THE GAME! YOU PLAY...TO WIN...THE GAME!

I don't know if I can communicate this any more clearly. This coach has to be removed from power, using any means possible. I'm 44 years old. I don't want to have to concede five more seasons of giving away wins while I wait. He has to go now! NOW! NOW!!!!

jjjayb · 11-18-2007, 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Demonpenz

run the ball stop the run.

And if we can't run the ball? Just keep doing what isn't working? Run up the middle on first down every time only to be continually stuffed? Yep, and you were saying everyone else is dense?

Chief Henry · 11-18-2007, 09:08 PM

[QUOTE=Rain Man]
It's the fourth quarter. The score is tied. The best quarterback in the game is on the other sideline. And we freaking concede a drive? We don't even TRY to get a first down? We punt the ball to the most productive offense of the decade? Both teams had one opportunity to win the game, and our stupid, idiotic, moronic, imbecilic coaching staff VOLUNTARILY GAVE OUR CHANCE AWAY! THEY SAID, "WE DON'T WANT TO TRY TO SCORE, SO LET'S PLAY FOR A TIE AND PUNT IT PEYTON FREAKING MANNING." What sort of intellectual plant life would you have to be to do that? They voluntarily reduced our chances of winning to zero, and for no reason.

Three drives! At least three drives where we just intentionally folded up. Didn't even try! "Eh, who cares? Just run for a few yards and punt it. Who cares?" Did these people never watch Joe Montana in the Super Bowl against Cincinnati? Do they not understand that the team with the most points wins? Where is the understanding here, people! Where?!?!?!?!
I HATE YOU, HERMAN EDWARDS! HATE! HATE, HATE, HATE! No, no. It's more than hate! Far more than hate. It's outright despisal!

YOU PLAY...TO WIN...THE GAME! YOU PLAY...TO WIN...THE GAME!

I couldn't agree more. Our in game decison making is no where to be found on offense.

**Rain Man** · 11-18-2007, 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Demonpenz

run the ball stop the run.

If you punt, five things can happen and three of of them are good, so the more I think about it, maybe this is the way to go.

Returner is tackled
Punt is blocked
Returner gets touchdown
Roughing the punter penalty
No return

**Skip Towne** · 11-18-2007, 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by headsnap

YAY let's celebrate, we only lost the game by 3 points!!!!

kumbaya everybody!!

ON A GAME THAT IF THE HC AND OC HAD ANY BALLS COULD HAVE BEEN WON!!!!

How often will you win an NFL game when scoring 10 points?

Zouk · 11-18-2007, 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by headsnap

YAY let's celebrate, we only lost the game by 3 points!!!!

kumbaya everybody!!

ON A GAME THAT IF THE HC AND OC HAD ANY BALLS COULD HAVE BEEN WON!!!!

In people's minds, Brodie Croyle is Tom Brady. But the fact is in the preseason he was a turnover machine. The chances are that if we opened it up, it would have looked like the 3rd quarter of the Broncos game.

Look at the Bills tonight, they came out throwing a lot and throwing deep. They threw a pick, had a bunch of incomplete passes and sacks, played at the Pats' preferred tempo, and are down 35-7. Yay! Agressive! Ballsy!

headsnap · 11-18-2007, 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Skip Towne

How often will you win an NFL game when scoring 10 points?

jjjayb · 11-18-2007, 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Skip Towne

How often will you win an NFL game when scoring 10 points?

Almost never. But hey, we'll keep trying it. With the same outcome. Hoping it will change.

**Bearcat** · 11-18-2007, 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Zouk

I love the delusion here.

If we just come out on the road with a QB in his first game, Chris Terry and John Welbourn on the right side, and our only good receiver a rookie and throw the ball a lot, we beat the Super Bowl champs easy!

What's driving me crazy and making me post so much tonight is that this game actually validates Herm as the guy to take us to the next level. Once we get better offensive talent this offseason, with his D we can win these games that only teams like the Pats can!

Yawn.

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Originally Posted by Bearcat

I'll take the first three quarters... even with all the stupid screens and whatever. If you want to say it kept us in the game, fine, I can deal with that.

But, give me back the two drives in the 4th quarter... especially the one at 14:53.

You drive, score a TD, force the Colts to punt... and then you hand off on first down (again), setting up a screen to Bowe (again), and it's 3rd and 12.

WHAT THE HELL? You justdrove down the field.

So, you force them to punt again. Hand off (again), pass on 2nd down (again, but 7 yards). First down, hand off... 2nd down, why would Croyle get sacked? How the hell did the Colts know we were going to pass on 2nd and 15? 3rd & 18.

Game over.

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Originally Posted by Bearcat

We drive down the field and score a touchdown. Force a punt. We fold up. Force a punt. We fold up.

Why is there faith that the philosophy will change when the talent changes, when Herm comes out and says "we were in a defensive game, we were looking for one play at the end"?

Some of you guys sound like it's our first year in the NFL. You all complain about respect and how we made the playoffs last year and how we are a game out of winning the AFC West... yet, we lose, and it's "we're rebuilding, it's a moral victory".

Which one is it?

Like you said, if the philosophy doesn't change when there's more talent, that'll be the time to really be disappointed. I just don't see why it would change. Croyle proves he can drive down the field for the TD, and you put the diapers back on? It was almost like it was practice... good week, Croyle, we'll come back out next week and see if we can do it again... oh wait, there's another quarter to play?

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Originally Posted by Bearcat

I don't think it's about that for most people... I could care less about the loss as far as the standings. Herm made these sort of choices in big games with the Jets. He made the same decisions in our playoff loss last year, and he's making the same decisions now.

Why is he going to change now? When we have more talent, and we're tied in the 4th, he's going to punt before taking a chance, and give us the 50/50 chance of winning that we've had all year. It's always going to be about one big play. We'll win some games we shouldn't win, and lose some games we should win by 21.

It's hard to win 3 or 4 playoff games in a row like that, regardless of the talent on the field... because you know, playoff teams are usually pretty good, too.

Zouk · 11-18-2007, 09:12 PM

Bearcat, if you don't have Peyton Manning or Tom Brady you win playoff games on the road just like this. Ugly it up and win the turnover margin. The historical record is clear on this.

MadMax · 11-18-2007, 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Zouk

In people's minds, Brodie Croyle is Tom Brady. But the fact is in the preseason he was a turnover machine. The chances are that if we opened it up, it would have looked like the 3rd quarter of the Broncos game.

Look a the Bills tonight, they came otu throwing a lot and throwing deep. They threw a pick, had a bunch of incomplete passes and sacks, played at the Pats' preferred tempo, and are down 35-7. Yay! Agressive! Ballsy!

Demon is that you??? Please enlighten us ( you know the 35+ year bandwagon fans ) with your expert analysis...I'm neither a mastermind nor a genious unlike you..

**Rain Man** · 11-18-2007, 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Zouk

If we make a few field goals and don't fumble on the 10, we might have won the game as a 15 point underdog!

Yeah, but you can't plan to not fumble or not miss field goals. You can plan to challenge the defense once in a while.

When the 49ers were in their glory years, I wonder how often they got the ball with 8 minutes left in the game and played to position the ball for a punt? How about the Patriots now? Or the Colts last year? Or even the Chiefs from 2002 to 2004? I can't even imagine Joe Montana running draws on third and long with eight minutes left in the game. Real teams go out and beat their opponents, they don't plan their whole game plan around positioning to get a good punt.

JohninGpt · 11-18-2007, 09:13 PM

I would like to see Clark Hunt log onto Chiefs Planet and start a thread with the following:
Carl,
Your fired, and take Herm and Mike with you.

Love,
Clark

beach tribe · 11-18-2007, 09:14 PM

Herm is the most cowardace(?) coach that I have ever seen. My most hated Chief ever.

Zouk · 11-18-2007, 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by MadMax

Demon is that you??? Please enlighten us ( you know the 35+ year bandwagon fans ) with your expert analysis...I'm neither a mastermind nor a genious unlike you..

Never said I was a genius, I'm just a dude on a message board arguing. Argue back with facts.

**Bearcat** · 11-18-2007, 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Zouk

If we make a few field goals and don't fumble on the 10, we might have won the game as a 15 point underdog!

Thanks, Herm

This is exactly what's wrong... "If we play a near-perfect game, we might have won!". The whole point is that we had the chance to win in the 4th, and we folded up. And if we're in the same spot in a couple of years, Herm will do the same thing, because he's always been afraid of taking a chance, and he'll never learn.

50/50 chance of winning any game in the 4th quarter... keep both teams in the game, and try to win in the end. He even said it in his postgame.

View Poll Results: In what manner would you like to see Herm Edwards fired? (Multiple choice)
Push him out of the plane over Illinois.	22	26.83%
Take his airline ticket and make him hitchhike...in a skirt.	15	18.29%
As opposed to merely firing him, set the idiot on fire.	15	18.29%
Tie him to Paul Hackett and force them to beat each other to death.	17	20.73%
Nukes, special forces, anything. How it happens doesn't matter.	19	23.17%
Be professional and just fire him in his office. With a big stick with a nail in it.	14	17.07%
It cannot stop at Herman Edwards. We have to exterminate the whole front office roachbed.	38	46.34%
Actually, I'm thrilled with Herman Edwards' "it's a win if you're within seven points" philosophy.	11	13.41%
Trade him to the Raiders by telling Al Davis that he throws the ball downfield.	18	21.95%
Hold a big team meeting and fire him in front of everybody, and make him walk out dragging the Boulder of Shame.	26	31.71%
I have some other plan for firing him, described in my post.	5	6.10%
I haven't yet decided if his "play to lose close" philosophy is a problem, and I can't feed myself.	12	14.63%
Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 82. You may not vote on this poll

11-18-2007, 07:33 PM
Rain Man Seize life. Be an ermine. Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: My house Casino cash: $-452449 VARSITY	That's it. I'm freaking done with these idiots. Back in the 1970s, our teams were bad. They lost games. They got soundly beaten by opponents. But you know what? I could live with it. The teams back then at least tried to win. Now? I love this team. Love it. We've got massive talent on defense. We've got top-notch players on offense. We've got a new quarterback who can win, and we've got a potential superstar at wide receiver and legitimate superstarts at tight end and running back. And we've got a coach who is biggest freaking idiot this side of Paul Hackett. The last time I was this mad about a loss was against Indianapolis in 1995, when we lost home field in the playoffs because of the worst game plan, or rather lack of a game plan, in football history. And now we're repeating it on a weekly basis. It's the fourth quarter. The score is tied. The best quarterback in the game is on the other sideline. And we freaking concede a drive? We don't even TRY to get a first down? We punt the ball to the most productive offense of the decade? Both teams had one opportunity to win the game, and our stupid, idiotic, moronic, imbecilic coaching staff VOLUNTARILY GAVE OUR CHANCE AWAY! THEY SAID, "WE DON'T WANT TO TRY TO SCORE, SO LET'S PLAY FOR A TIE AND PUNT IT PEYTON FREAKING MANNING." What sort of intellectual plant life would you have to be to do that? They voluntarily reduced our chances of winning to zero, and for no reason. AAAAAAAAAAUUUUUUUUUGGGGGGHHHHHHHHH! I'm so mad about this that I can't stand it. They do this every freaking week. We have perhaps ten chances to score in a game, and they VOLUNTARILY give up on half of them! How does someone do this and keep their job? If I owned that team, that freaking coach-in-name-only would not get on the plane to come home. He would pay his own way back, and I would mail his office stuff to him in a box. I'd give the Arrowhead guards pepper spray and a picture of his unibrowed visage of confusion. I can't do this any more. Just can't. This was the last straw. This was stupidity at it's finest. This was building the freaking Egyptian pyramids of stupidity. This was stupidity that will stand as a shining example of the art for the next four thousand years. Stupid scholars will study this game plan and write dissertations about it. It was miss-the-$100-question-on-Who- Wants-To-Be-A-Millionaire-after- using-all-of-your-lifelines stupid. This is a good team. This is a strong team. This team could be very, very good if they were allowed to be. And you know what? Just trade them all. Trade them and stock up draft picks for a possible time when the stupid ownership of this team finally sells it to someone who will fire the stupid Haile Selassie president-for-life general manager and hire someone who will in turn fire the stupid "I think we get points for close losses" coaching staff, and then when those things happen maybe we can use those picks to field a competitive team. Until Herman Edwards is gone, and all photographs of his slackjawed RCA-Victor-Dog-Looking-At-Victrola face have been burned, just pile up picks and use semi-pro players, because the end result will be the same. If I was Tony Gonzalez or Derrick Johnson or Jared Allen, I would go to Clark Hunt's office with a sleeping bag and I would not leave there until there's a regime change. Don't waste your career playing for piece of garbage idiot like Herm Edwards who can't even fathom trying to win a game. Three drives! At least three drives where we just intentionally folded up. Didn't even try! "Eh, who cares? Just run for a few yards and punt it. Who cares?" Did these people never watch Joe Montana in the Super Bowl against Cincinnati? Do they not understand that the team with the most points wins? Where is the understanding here, people! Where?!?!?!?! I HATE YOU, HERMAN EDWARDS! HATE! HATE, HATE, HATE! No, no. It's more than hate! Far more than hate. It's outright despisal! YOU PLAY...TO WIN...THE GAME! YOU PLAY...TO WIN...THE GAME! I don't know if I can communicate this any more clearly. This coach has to be removed from power, using any means possible. I'm 44 years old. I don't want to have to concede five more seasons of giving away wins while I wait. He has to go now! NOW! NOW!!!!
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11-18-2007, 09:08 PM	#92
Chief Henry MVP Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: IOWA Casino cash: $10005088	[QUOTE=Rain Man] It's the fourth quarter. The score is tied. The best quarterback in the game is on the other sideline. And we freaking concede a drive? We don't even TRY to get a first down? We punt the ball to the most productive offense of the decade? Both teams had one opportunity to win the game, and our stupid, idiotic, moronic, imbecilic coaching staff VOLUNTARILY GAVE OUR CHANCE AWAY! THEY SAID, "WE DON'T WANT TO TRY TO SCORE, SO LET'S PLAY FOR A TIE AND PUNT IT PEYTON FREAKING MANNING." What sort of intellectual plant life would you have to be to do that? They voluntarily reduced our chances of winning to zero, and for no reason. Three drives! At least three drives where we just intentionally folded up. Didn't even try! "Eh, who cares? Just run for a few yards and punt it. Who cares?" Did these people never watch Joe Montana in the Super Bowl against Cincinnati? Do they not understand that the team with the most points wins? Where is the understanding here, people! Where?!?!?!?! I HATE YOU, HERMAN EDWARDS! HATE! HATE, HATE, HATE! No, no. It's more than hate! Far more than hate. It's outright despisal! YOU PLAY...TO WIN...THE GAME! YOU PLAY...TO WIN...THE GAME! I couldn't agree more. Our in game decison making is no where to be found on offense. __________________ Patrick Mahomes...The only QB to ever play in the NFL with at least 5,000 passing yards in a single season and 5,000 passing yards in a single college season.
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11-18-2007, 09:12 PM	#99
Zouk Veteran Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: DC Casino cash: $10004900	Bearcat, if you don't have Peyton Manning or Tom Brady you win playoff games on the road just like this. Ugly it up and win the turnover margin. The historical record is clear on this.
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11-18-2007, 09:13 PM	#102
JohninGpt Dammit Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Busted Stick, IT Casino cash: $4248304	I would like to see Clark Hunt log onto Chiefs Planet and start a thread with the following: Carl, Your fired, and take Herm and Mike with you. Love, Clark
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11-18-2007, 09:14 PM	#103
beach tribe Keep doubting J MFing Houston Join Date: May 2007 Location: ft.lauderdale Casino cash: $4018036	Herm is the most cowardace(?) coach that I have ever seen. My most hated Chief ever.
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