That's it. I'm freaking done with these idiots.

[Rain Man]

Back in the 1970s, our teams were bad. They lost games. They got soundly beaten by opponents. But you know what? I could live with it. The teams back then at least tried to win.

Now? I love this team. Love it. We've got massive talent on defense. We've got top-notch players on offense. We've got a new quarterback who can win, and we've got a potential superstar at wide receiver and legitimate superstarts at tight end and running back.

And we've got a coach who is biggest freaking idiot this side of Paul Hackett.

The last time I was this mad about a loss was against Indianapolis in 1995, when we lost home field in the playoffs because of the worst game plan, or rather lack of a game plan, in football history. And now we're repeating it on a weekly basis.

It's the fourth quarter. The score is tied. The best quarterback in the game is on the other sideline. And we freaking concede a drive? We don't even TRY to get a first down? We punt the ball to the most productive offense of the decade? Both teams had one opportunity to win the game, and our stupid, idiotic, moronic, imbecilic coaching staff VOLUNTARILY GAVE OUR CHANCE AWAY! THEY SAID, "WE DON'T WANT TO TRY TO SCORE, SO LET'S PLAY FOR A TIE AND PUNT IT PEYTON FREAKING MANNING." What sort of intellectual plant life would you have to be to do that? They voluntarily reduced our chances of winning to zero, and for no reason.

AAAAAAAAAAUUUUUUUUUGGGGGGHHHHHHHHH! I'm so mad about this that I can't stand it. They do this every freaking week. We have perhaps ten chances to score in a game, and they VOLUNTARILY give up on half of them! How does someone do this and keep their job? If I owned that team, that freaking coach-in-name-only would not get on the plane to come home. He would pay his own way back, and I would mail his office stuff to him in a box. I'd give the Arrowhead guards pepper spray and a picture of his unibrowed visage of confusion.

I can't do this any more. Just can't. This was the last straw. This was stupidity at it's finest. This was building the freaking Egyptian pyramids of stupidity. This was stupidity that will stand as a shining example of the art for the next four thousand years. Stupid scholars will study this game plan and write dissertations about it. It was miss-the-$100-question-on-Who- Wants-To-Be-A-Millionaire-after- using-all-of-your-lifelines stupid.

This is a good team. This is a strong team. This team could be very, very good if they were allowed to be. And you know what? Just trade them all. Trade them and stock up draft picks for a possible time when the stupid ownership of this team finally sells it to someone who will fire the stupid Haile Selassie president-for-life general manager and hire someone who will in turn fire the stupid "I think we get points for close losses" coaching staff, and then when those things happen maybe we can use those picks to field a competitive team. Until Herman Edwards is gone, and all photographs of his slackjawed RCA-Victor-Dog-Looking-At-Victrola face have been burned, just pile up picks and use semi-pro players, because the end result will be the same.

If I was Tony Gonzalez or Derrick Johnson or Jared Allen, I would go to Clark Hunt's office with a sleeping bag and I would not leave there until there's a regime change. Don't waste your career playing for piece of garbage idiot like Herm Edwards who can't even fathom trying to win a game.

Three drives! At least three drives where we just intentionally folded up. Didn't even try! "Eh, who cares? Just run for a few yards and punt it. Who cares?" Did these people never watch Joe Montana in the Super Bowl against Cincinnati? Do they not understand that the team with the most points wins? Where is the understanding here, people! Where?!?!?!?!

I HATE YOU, HERMAN EDWARDS! HATE! HATE, HATE, HATE! No, no. It's more than hate! Far more than hate. It's outright despisal!

YOU PLAY...TO WIN...THE GAME! YOU PLAY...TO WIN...THE GAME!

I don't know if I can communicate this any more clearly. This coach has to be removed from power, using any means possible. I'm 44 years old. I don't want to have to concede five more seasons of giving away wins while I wait. He has to go now! NOW! NOW!!!!

[Zouk]

Originally Posted by jjjayb

If Herm had Brady or Manning do you really think they would look like Brady or Manning? Or would they be there to just run out the clock for the defense. Cause after all, Herm's philosophy is too many points hurst your defense.

The Jets were blowing teams out towards the end of 2002.

Of course Herm would play different with Brady or Manning.

[Bearcat]

Originally Posted by Zouk

Bearcat, if you don't have Peyton Manning or Tom Brady you win playoff games on the road just like this. Ugly it up and win the turnover margin. The historical record is clear on this.

You don't win playoff games by punting when it's tied 10-10, putting Peyton Manning back on the field. You don't win playoff games by punting again, putting Peyton Manning back on the field again. You don't win playoff games against Peyton Manning by giving the ball back to Peyton Manning!

You're going on the other side of the spectrum... I'm not talking about airing it out, and I'm not talking about Croyle becoming Manning or Brady.

I'm talking about giving Croyle the chance to do what he just did and drive the team down for the TD.

Do you want to talk about history? Wanna talk Marty playoff history? How about Herm's? Come on.... there's a big difference between playing not to lose and playing smart, just like there's a big difference between playing smart and airing it out.

[Demonpenz]

Originally Posted by Rain Man

Yeah, but you can't plan to not fumble or not miss field goals. You can plan to challenge the defense once in a while.

When the 49ers were in their glory years, I wonder how often they got the ball with 8 minutes left in the game and played to position the ball for a punt? How about the Patriots now? Or the Colts last year? Or even the Chiefs from 2002 to 2004? I can't even imagine Joe Montana running draws on third and long with eight minutes left in the game. Real teams go out and beat their opponents, they don't plan their whole game plan around positioning to get a good punt.

the 49ers pass plays were throw short all the time the whole basis to the west coast offense is short quick passes that like long handoffs to PREVENT FROM TURNING ThE BALL over

[Rain Man]

Originally Posted by Bearcat

Thanks, Herm

This is exactly what's wrong... "If we play a near-perfect game, we might have won!". The whole point is that we had the chance to win in the 4th, and we folded up. And if we're in the same spot in a couple of years, Herm will do the same thing, because he's always been afraid of taking a chance, and he'll never learn.

50/50 chance of winning any game in the 4th quarter... keep both teams in the game, and try to win in the end. He even said it in his postgame.

Yeah, if he wants to be ultraconservative, okay. Maybe I can live with that. Maybe.

But today we had a situation where a real team will go for the throat. A real team will say, "It's the fourth quarter, we've got 8 minutes left, let's take over this game." Herman Edwards instead said, "Let's give up on second and third down and punt to peak-of-his-career-Hall-of-Famer Peyton Manning, and let's rely on our defense to not allow him to get at least a field goal, and maybe we can go into overtime with a tie if we can stop one of the most prolific quarterbacks in NFL history."

I don't care if Harrison is out. I don't care if a rookie left tackle is out. Manning will win this type of game if you give him a chance. We chose to give him a chance instead of giving Croyle a chance. It's unfathomable.

And don't even get me started on why we stopped blitzing in the second half, and on that final drive. We went into exactly the kind of defense that he picks apart. The whole team went into a conservative shell when the game was on the line, which minimized our chances of winning.

[CoMoChief]

Originally Posted by JohninGpt

Cowardly, like the lion. He's close enough to Kansas, he should find a wizard somewhere to give him courage, and maybe a brain for Mike.

http://www.ozmuseum.com/

[beach tribe]

Originally Posted by Zouk

Belichick coached different in Cleveland, and Dungy coached different in Tampa. You guys have the chicken and egg situation turned on its head. The players determine the playcalling, not the other way around.

If you can't see that the end of the first half was chicken shit, then you deserve this "moral" victory.

[beach tribe]

Originally Posted by Rain Man

Yeah, if he wants to be ultraconservative, okay. Maybe I can live with that. Maybe.

But today we had a situation where a real team will go for the throat. A real team will say, "It's the fourth quarter, we've got 8 minutes left, let's take over this game." Herman Edwards instead said, "Let's give up on second and third down and punt to peak-of-his-career-Hall-of-Famer Peyton Manning, and let's rely on our defense to not allow him to get at least a field goal, and maybe we can go into overtime with a tie if we can stop one of the most prolific quarterbacks in NFL history."

I don't care if Harrison is out. I don't care if a rookie left tackle is out. Manning will win this type of game if you give him a chance. We chose to give him a chance instead of giving Croyle a chance. It's unfathomable.

And don't even get me started on why we stopped blitzing in the second half, and on that final drive. We went into exactly the kind of defense that he picks apart. The whole team went into a conservative shell when the game was on the line, which minimized our chances of winning.

Herm is a complete chickenshit coach.

[Zouk]

Originally Posted by Rain Man

And don't even get me started on why we stopped blitzing in the second half, and on that final drive. We went into exactly the kind of defense that he picks apart. The whole team went into a conservative shell when the game was on the line, which minimized our chances of winning.

Now you're just wrong. Our blitzes were very uneffective. When we blitzed Manning found an open man quickly, whereas when we rushed 4 he held onto the ball and we ended up getting better pressure. Manning hit Wayne for an easy 11 to get them into scoring position on that last drive when we blitzed bigtime.

[jjjayb]

Originally Posted by Zouk

Belichick coached different in Cleveland, and Dungy coached different in Tampa. You guys have the chicken and egg situation turned on its head. The players determine the playcalling, not the other way around.

No, that's exactly my point. We don't have the players to run Herms offense. We don't have a dominant line to pound the rock at will. We don't have the dominant D to just give up on offense. We have a weak line. Being so predictable just makes that line even worse. Mix it up a little bit. Hell, run and pass the same amount you do now. Just mix it up so the D can't stack against the run on 1st and 2nd down. Mix it up so the D doesn't send the farm after our QB on 3rd down. Our line is bad enough already without the opposing Defense knowing EXACTLY what plays we are running on most downs. Hell, just jump in the chat with us and see most of us in there predicting the plays before we run them with a 90 percent accuracy. What amazes me is when we actually have moved the ball this year has been when we have gotten away from our normal predictable playcalling. But we do it, get the lead then go right back into our predicatable shell.

[Bearcat]

Originally Posted by Rain Man

Yeah, if he wants to be ultraconservative, okay. Maybe I can live with that. Maybe.

But today we had a situation where a real team will go for the throat. A real team will say, "It's the fourth quarter, we've got 8 minutes left, let's take over this game." Herman Edwards instead said, "Let's give up on second and third down and punt to peak-of-his-career-Hall-of-Famer Peyton Manning, and let's rely on our defense to not allow him to get at least a field goal, and maybe we can go into overtime with a tie if we can stop one of the most prolific quarterbacks in NFL history."

I don't care if Harrison is out. I don't care if a rookie left tackle is out. Manning will win this type of game if you give him a chance. We chose to give him a chance instead of giving Croyle a chance. It's unfathomable.

And don't even get me started on why we stopped blitzing in the second half, and on that final drive. We went into exactly the kind of defense that he picks apart. The whole team went into a conservative shell when the game was on the line, which minimized our chances of winning.

Yep... like I posted several times, I'll give Herm the benefit of the doubt on every play through 3 quarters. After all, even with all the screens and bad playcalling, it's 10-10 and you have a little momentum with the TD.

They basically told Croyle at that point "good drive... pack it up, and we'll see if we can do it again next week".

I could care less about the W-L columns. It's about the decision making. Given that situation with more playmakers and a better OLine, I think Herm would do the same thing. Why do I think that? He SAID IT after the game when he said we were in a defensive game and were waiting for a play at the end.

[morphius]

Originally Posted by Zouk

Now you're just wrong. Our blitzes were very uneffective. When we blitzed Manning found an open man quickly, whereas when we rushed 4 he held onto the ball and we ended up getting better pressure. Manning hit Wayne for an easy 11 to get them into scoring position on that last drive when we blitzed bigtime.

I believe our blitzes actually worked pretty well in this game. The only thing that killed us on D was that our corners would play so far off that the quick routes were easy tosses.

[Rain Man]

Originally Posted by Zouk

Belichick coached different in Cleveland, and Dungy coached different in Tampa. You guys have the chicken and egg situation turned on its head. The players determine the playcalling, not the other way around.

That's great, and I fully support that.

Now...what's Brodie Croyle's strength in his first start? Fast reads and decision-making among multiple short pass routes, or throwing the ball downfield? Did you not hear the discussion of his oversized forearm and wrist? It's oversized. Oversized! If we work to his strengths, we aren't running a short passing offense.

[Smed1065]

Game #1 in the NFL.

Who knows?

[RedThat]

Originally Posted by Rain Man

That's great, and I fully support that.

Now...what's Brodie Croyle's strength in his first start? Fast reads and decision-making among multiple short pass routes, or throwing the ball downfield? Did you not hear the discussion of his oversized forearm and wrist? It's oversized. Oversized! If we work to his strengths, we aren't running a short passing offense.

We work to his strengths only when we're down and losing in a game. when the opposition scores on us. And forces us to then go to the passing game, open things up down the field.

It actually takes an opposing team to get a lead on us before we start opening things up. It's sad.

[beach tribe]

Originally Posted by jjjayb

No, that's exactly my point. We don't have the players to run Herms offense. We don't have a dominant line to pound the rock at will. We don't have the dominant D to just give up on offense. We have a weak line. Being so predictable just makes that line even worse. Mix it up a little bit. Hell, run and pass the same amount you do now. Just mix it up so the D can't stack against the run on 1st and 2nd down. Mix it up so the D doesn't send the farm after our QB on 3rd down. Our line is bad enough already without the opposing Defense knowing EXACTLY what plays we are running on most downs. Hell, just jump in the chat with us and see most of us in there predicting the plays before we run them with a 90 percent accuracy. What amazes me is when we actually have moved the ball this year has been when we have gotten away from our normal predictable playcalling. But we do it, get the lead then go right back into our predicatable shell.

You my friend are exactly right. Our D is damn good, but not good enough to the point to where our O can just give up oportunities to score. We don't have a ball control capable O-line so the other teams get more oportunities than usual to score, and we just by pass on ours. Anyone who defends this is as dumb as Hermit.