That's it. I'm freaking done with these idiots.

[Rain Man]

Back in the 1970s, our teams were bad. They lost games. They got soundly beaten by opponents. But you know what? I could live with it. The teams back then at least tried to win.

Now? I love this team. Love it. We've got massive talent on defense. We've got top-notch players on offense. We've got a new quarterback who can win, and we've got a potential superstar at wide receiver and legitimate superstarts at tight end and running back.

And we've got a coach who is biggest freaking idiot this side of Paul Hackett.

The last time I was this mad about a loss was against Indianapolis in 1995, when we lost home field in the playoffs because of the worst game plan, or rather lack of a game plan, in football history. And now we're repeating it on a weekly basis.

It's the fourth quarter. The score is tied. The best quarterback in the game is on the other sideline. And we freaking concede a drive? We don't even TRY to get a first down? We punt the ball to the most productive offense of the decade? Both teams had one opportunity to win the game, and our stupid, idiotic, moronic, imbecilic coaching staff VOLUNTARILY GAVE OUR CHANCE AWAY! THEY SAID, "WE DON'T WANT TO TRY TO SCORE, SO LET'S PLAY FOR A TIE AND PUNT IT PEYTON FREAKING MANNING." What sort of intellectual plant life would you have to be to do that? They voluntarily reduced our chances of winning to zero, and for no reason.

AAAAAAAAAAUUUUUUUUUGGGGGGHHHHHHHHH! I'm so mad about this that I can't stand it. They do this every freaking week. We have perhaps ten chances to score in a game, and they VOLUNTARILY give up on half of them! How does someone do this and keep their job? If I owned that team, that freaking coach-in-name-only would not get on the plane to come home. He would pay his own way back, and I would mail his office stuff to him in a box. I'd give the Arrowhead guards pepper spray and a picture of his unibrowed visage of confusion.

I can't do this any more. Just can't. This was the last straw. This was stupidity at it's finest. This was building the freaking Egyptian pyramids of stupidity. This was stupidity that will stand as a shining example of the art for the next four thousand years. Stupid scholars will study this game plan and write dissertations about it. It was miss-the-$100-question-on-Who- Wants-To-Be-A-Millionaire-after- using-all-of-your-lifelines stupid.

This is a good team. This is a strong team. This team could be very, very good if they were allowed to be. And you know what? Just trade them all. Trade them and stock up draft picks for a possible time when the stupid ownership of this team finally sells it to someone who will fire the stupid Haile Selassie president-for-life general manager and hire someone who will in turn fire the stupid "I think we get points for close losses" coaching staff, and then when those things happen maybe we can use those picks to field a competitive team. Until Herman Edwards is gone, and all photographs of his slackjawed RCA-Victor-Dog-Looking-At-Victrola face have been burned, just pile up picks and use semi-pro players, because the end result will be the same.

If I was Tony Gonzalez or Derrick Johnson or Jared Allen, I would go to Clark Hunt's office with a sleeping bag and I would not leave there until there's a regime change. Don't waste your career playing for piece of garbage idiot like Herm Edwards who can't even fathom trying to win a game.

Three drives! At least three drives where we just intentionally folded up. Didn't even try! "Eh, who cares? Just run for a few yards and punt it. Who cares?" Did these people never watch Joe Montana in the Super Bowl against Cincinnati? Do they not understand that the team with the most points wins? Where is the understanding here, people! Where?!?!?!?!

I HATE YOU, HERMAN EDWARDS! HATE! HATE, HATE, HATE! No, no. It's more than hate! Far more than hate. It's outright despisal!

YOU PLAY...TO WIN...THE GAME! YOU PLAY...TO WIN...THE GAME!

I don't know if I can communicate this any more clearly. This coach has to be removed from power, using any means possible. I'm 44 years old. I don't want to have to concede five more seasons of giving away wins while I wait. He has to go now! NOW! NOW!!!!

[Mr. Laz]

Originally Posted by Zouk

That strong offense had no Marvin Harrison and both starting offensive tackles were out. They scored 10 points in 3 and a half quarters, with 3 of those points coming off a 10 years field after the Mathis strip sack.

The chance of our offense converting 3rd and 18 on the road is less than 10%. The coaches have numbers on all this. And that's why ALL the coaches in the league do the same thing.

how about converting on 3rd and 4 .... 3rd and 3?


when we basically played for the field goal on most every drive that entered the red zone in the 1st half.


Herm coaches offense like he's terrified

[Skip Towne]

Originally Posted by Rain Man

That's great, and I fully support that.

Now...what's Brodie Croyle's strength in his first start? Fast reads and decision-making among multiple short pass routes, or throwing the ball downfield? Did you not hear the discussion of his oversized forearm and wrist? It's oversized. Oversized! If we work to his strengths, we aren't running a short passing offense.

But passing the ball is so risky.

[Mr. Laz]

Originally Posted by Zouk

Now you're just wrong. Our blitzes were very uneffective. When we blitzed Manning found an open man quickly, whereas when we rushed 4 he held onto the ball and we ended up getting better pressure. Manning hit Wayne for an easy 11 to get them into scoring position on that last drive when we blitzed bigtime.

i'm beginning think you're insane ... our blitzes did a great job.

in fact, timely blitzing is usually want stopped the colt's drives.

[Rain Man]

Originally Posted by Laz

i beginning think your insane ... our blitzes did a great job.

in fact, timely blitzing is usually want stopped the colt's drives.

That sure represents the game that I saw. The Colts' drives were all later when we completely stopped blitzing and dared him to beat our coverage, because we all know that Peyton Manning can't beat coverage when he's got time.

But I digress. I'm more mad about the offense.

[Chief Henry]

Originally Posted by Bearcat

You don't win playoff games by punting when it's tied 10-10, putting Peyton Manning back on the field. You don't win playoff games by punting again, putting Peyton Manning back on the field again. You don't win playoff games against Peyton Manning by giving the ball back to Peyton Manning!

You're going on the other side of the spectrum... I'm not talking about airing it out, and I'm not talking about Croyle becoming Manning or Brady.

I'm talking about giving Croyle the chance to do what he just did and drive the team down for the TD.

Do you want to talk about history? Wanna talk Marty playoff history? How about Herm's? Come on.... there's a big difference between playing not to lose and playing smart, just like there's a big difference between playing smart and airing it out.

That one line says it all. Croyle wasn't given the chance to win the game. I beleave he could have too. I really do. Think of the confidence that would have given him !!! Going into Peytons house and BEATING the defending SB champs in ther own crib.

We could have but we didn't even give the kid the chance.

[Rain Man]

Originally Posted by Skip Towne

But passing the ball is so risky.

Rumor has it that only three or four things can happen, plus maybe a sack if that's not the fourth one, and at least two of those are bad, which may or may not represent fifty percent of possible outcomes, unweighted by frequency of occurrence.

[Bearcat]

Originally Posted by Chief Henry

That one line says it all. Croyle wasn't given the chance to win the game. I beleave he could have too. I really do. Think of the confidence that would have given him !!! Going into Peytons house and BEATING the defending SB champs in ther own crib.

We could have but we didn't even give the kid the chance.

Yep... If Herm believed Croyle gives them the best chance to win, why not give him the chance to win? Croyle doesn't strike me as a guy with a fragile mind, who is going to curl up into a ball on the sideline after an interception. He wants to throw it around, and if playing quarterback is anything like life, making a few mistakes along the way is better than being coddled.

[headsnap]

Originally Posted by Chief Henry

That one line says it all. Croyle wasn't given the chance to win the game. I beleave he could have too. I really do. Think of the confidence that would have given him !!! Going into Peytons house and BEATING the defending SB champs in ther own crib.

We could have but we didn't even give the kid the chance.

you don't want to give him too much confidence too quickly...



baby steps...

[Chief Henry]

99.999 % of the people thought we were going to loose. We did loose, but we didn't give our offense the chance to take some swings up at the plate. We all knew manning was going to take his cuts, but herm kept putting up the fricken bunt sign..... A little baseball lingo injected into this thread.

Instead of running into that dam brick wall on every running play, why not just play action pass and pickup 5-7 yards and move the chains? then let Brody try some shots down field.

[Misplaced_Chiefs_Fan]

Rain Man,

I'm with you. I've been following this team since 1966 and I can't even remember being this torqued off at the team in the late 70s.

At least, I could comfort myself in knowing we just didn't have very good players back then. We've got some players now, we just have a coach who's in over his head and is coaching like he's afraid.

Well, he should be afraid. Keep coaching like this and you WILL be looking for work, bastage!

[Reerun_KC]

Originally Posted by Demonpenz
3 things can happen when you throw the ball 2 of them bad. run the ball punt and play Defense. If you can't stop the other team you don't really have any business winning anyway.

funny 3 things happen when you run the ball and 2 of them are bad... Fumble and tackle behind the line of scrimmage...

Zouk, I admire your dedication and defense of Herm... Keep fighting the good fight my friend...

1 game closer until Herm is gone... Each week just gets better and better... Knowing we are almost through with this torture.

[Mr. Laz]

Originally Posted by Rain Man

That sure represents the game that I saw. The Colts' drives were all later when we completely stopped blitzing and dared him to beat our coverage, because we all know that Peyton Manning can't beat coverage when he's got time.

But I digress. I'm more mad about the offense.

i wouldn't limit yourself

The symptoms of playing not to lose showed itself on defense as well as offense.

when our defense is aggressive and varied it did a great job. As the game got tighter the defense started getting more and more conservative and was less and less successful.

same on offense ......


The harder you try and hold onto sand the more in slips through your fingers.

The more you coach an NFL game not to lose, the more likely a loss will occur.

[Logical]

Originally Posted by Rain Man

That's great, and I fully support that.

Now...what's Brodie Croyle's strength in his first start? Fast reads and decision-making among multiple short pass routes, or throwing the ball downfield? Did you not hear the discussion of his oversized forearm and wrist? It's oversized. Oversized! If we work to his strengths, we aren't running a short passing offense.

I really was wondering what the announcers were looking at? A very good arm no doubt but his forearm and wrist are not really oversized.

[Rain Man]

Originally Posted by Dr. Doom

I really was wondering what the announcers were looking at? A very good arm no doubt but his forearm and wrist are not really oversized.

To be honest, I didn't really see it either, but then again my knowledge of forearms is somewhat limited. Wrists, too.

[MadMax]

Originally Posted by Dr. Doom

I really was wondering what the announcers were looking at? A very good arm no doubt but his forearm and wrist are not really oversized.

BULLSHIT HIS FOREARM IS HUGE!!!! I heard it 10 times so it's true.