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Old 12-18-2007, 10:10 PM  
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According to ESPN Rich McKay out in Atlanta
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Old 12-18-2007, 11:57 PM   #46
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Love. Not past tense.

There was a whole slew of idiots demanding the Falcons give them their money back for their tickets after the team suspended Vick. Blank thought he was doing himself a favor selling the Atlanta Vicks to the, uhm, errr, "population" in Atlanta only to have that bite him in the ass royally.

Crazy. I really haven't followed that aspect of the story much. I used to have a hard time convincing my kids how much real life Vick sucked because they experienced video game Vick. I would rant, my daughter would pick ATL on ESPN NFL2K5 anyway, and I would thrash her with the Broncos ...something like eleventy billion to nothing (Video game Vick didn't like the ol' Bear D too much)...because she pissed me off by buying into the hype. Anyway, with his recent douchebaggery he's been disappeared.
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Old 12-19-2007, 12:02 AM   #47
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I don't know who it was that made the decision but...c'mon, Vick sucked ass. Nobody saw that?
Yea, he really sucked ass in 2006. 22 touchdowns and 1039 yards rushing (8.3 per carry). And he was not exactly surrounded by talent, short of Alge Crumpler he had nobody to throw to.

I mean the guy is a bonehead, but he didn't exactly suck ass. Consider St. Tom Brady only had 24 TDs, and only one less INT than Vick in 2006. Vick ran because he HAD to. His o'line was aweful, and he recievers couldn't catch herpes in Mexico.

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Old 12-19-2007, 12:04 AM   #48
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Well, that exacerbated the problem, but Blank spent a great deal of time and money pimping Vick as the face of the franchise. Trotting him around like a pony at the fair in front of everyone, getting him classes on how to not suck in front of the media, etc.
That's because Blank knew EXACTLY who he was selling to, and they WERE selling out, something they had not done in years.

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Old 12-19-2007, 12:06 AM   #49
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Old 12-19-2007, 12:07 AM   #50
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That's because Blank knew EXACTLY who he was selling to, and they WERE selling out, something they had not done in years.

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I still think if he was smarter he would have been pimping three to five players instead of one. Go ahead and pick all black players (your marketing guys would tell you that's a smart move), but you should NEVER bankroll the whole thing on one freaking guy. Especially not one with a posse. It's not like he didn't have Warrick Dunn and some other non-hoodlums on the team to choose from.
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Old 12-19-2007, 12:07 AM   #51
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Wikpedia is dead wrong on that. Sapp Brooks and Lynch were al Sam Wyche players.
Dude, Rich McKay was with the Bucs from almost day one. His father was John McKay, their first coach. He was in the player personnel department before becoming the GM.

Regardless of who was coach, McKay oversaw those drafts.

He was their GM from 1993-2003.
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Old 12-19-2007, 12:08 AM   #52
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None of the Vick shit is his fault.
He could have given Vick some better quality players around him, but I'd take him in a heart beat. SIGN EM CLARK
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Old 12-19-2007, 12:09 AM   #53
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I would be all for hiring McKay for the Chiefs. Him and Denny Thum together would be a great fit for the Chiefs - football side/business side.
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Old 12-19-2007, 12:12 AM   #54
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If McKay is REALLY out in Atlanta, Clark better be on the phone immediately.

Some of McKay's protege's:

Jerry Angelo: Chicago Bears. Super Bowl Appearance in 3 years.

Tim Ruskell: Seattle Seahawks. Super Bowl appearance in his first year and playoffs in the following year.
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Old 12-19-2007, 12:20 AM   #55
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If McKay is REALLY out in Atlanta, Clark better be on the phone immediately.

Some of McKay's protege's:

Jerry Angelo: Chicago Bears. Super Bowl Appearance in 3 years.

Tim Ruskell: Seattle Seahawks. Super Bowl appearance in his first year and playoffs in the following year.
On the local news, they are basically saying he has had the VP title taken away, and it will be up to the new VP if he stays on as GM. I don't see him staying in a diminished role, he's too accomplished for that.

Assuming Herm would stay on, I assume McKay and Herm probably know each other from the tampa days.

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Old 12-19-2007, 12:21 AM   #56
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On the local news, they are basically saying he has had the VP title taken away, and it will be up to the new VP if he stays on as GM. I don't see him staying in a diminished role, he's too accomplished for that.

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Old 12-19-2007, 12:30 AM   #57
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Dude, Rich McKay was with the Bucs from almost day one. His father was John McKay, their first coach. He was in the player personnel department before becoming the GM.

Regardless of who was coach, McKay oversaw those drafts.

He was their GM from 1993-2003.
Dane I have been a Bucs fan since 1979.. McKay became responsible for the drafts starting in 1996 with Marcus Jones, Reagan Upshaw, Donnie Abraham and Mike Alstott picks. After that he picked Warrick Dunn and left the Bucs in cap hell.Tim Ruskell actually had more to do with the Brooks and Lynch picks. Wyche was the one who was after Sapp.
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Dane I have been a Bucs fan since 1979.. McKay became responsible for the drafts starting in 1996 with Marcus Jones, Reagan Upshaw, Donnie Abraham and Mike Alstott picks. After that he picked Warrick Dunn and left the Bucs in cap hell.Tim Ruskell actually had more to do with the Brooks and Lynch picks. Wyche was the one who was after Sapp.
So McKay = overrated?

Who hired Gruden, BTW?
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I forgot to mention that the local news is also reporting that Parcells has been offered the VP of football operations position.

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Dane I have been a Bucs fan since 1979.. McKay became responsible for the drafts starting in 1996 with Marcus Jones, Reagan Upshaw, Donnie Abraham and Mike Alstott picks. After that he picked Warrick Dunn and left the Bucs in cap hell.Tim Ruskell actually had more to do with the Brooks and Lynch picks. Wyche was the one who was after Sapp.
How could McKay be the GM of the Bucs starting in 1993, yet not have control of his drafts?

This makes no sense.

And FWIW, my parents moved to St. Pete's in 1993 and stayed until 1998. I'm pretty familiar with the Bucs as well.
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