KC residents - How are you voting on the smoking ban in April? - Page 8

**Bowser** · 01-27-2008, 02:56 PM

Let's get a definitive look on how the Planet feels about this. Poll on the way.

Adept Havelock · 01-28-2008, 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

First off, if you drink alcohol, it doesn't affect me UNLESS under the influence, you hit me, cause an auto accident, etc. The act of drinking alcohol in NO WAY affects MY health.

No shit, Sherlock.

People could smoke at the gas pump for more than 50 years before that law went into effect. Why did it go into effect? Oh yeah, to save lives.

Of course, you obviously can't tell the difference between smoking at a gas station and smoking in a bar or restaurant because the effect may not be as immediate, but the end result could very well be the same.

So you're of the opinion that governments WORLDWIDE and state across the country are full of dipsh*ts because smoking has been banned in public places?

Wow, thanks for the insight, Mr. Science!

Bullshit. Bull. fucking. Shit.

I LOVE how ALL these smokers on Chiefsplanet are just SO polite and don't smoke in the presence of non-smokers while they're at restaurants.

BS

I've been to KC twice in the past few months and going to restaurants and bars is nearly unbearable. I was recently at the Fox & Hounds on Metcalfe where some asswipe was smoking (and very heavily, I might add) in the NON-SMOKING SECTION. One of the people we were with was pregnant. Real nice, this smoker. Anyway, we tell the waitress and guess what? WE are moved to the non-smoking section. Whoo-Pee!

About ten minutes later, this disgusting human waste moves to table next to us and begins smoking and blowing it our direction! Yeah! So cool!

This kind of behavior is not legal in many other states and countries across the globe, but I guess it's OKAY for certain Midwesterners.

And people here WONDER why laws need to be enacted?

JFC

Why am I not surprised there's not a single comment in that rant addressing my question. What's wrong with letting people and the market decide for themselves? I know that's a real tough concept for someone living in the People's Republic of California to wrap your noggin' around, but I did spell it out quite clearly.

Don't want it to affect you? Don't go. Seems to me that if there are plenty of folks who don't want to go someplace where smoking is allowed, the market will bring forth places that voluntarily prohibit smoking. If there aren't it won't.

As for your experience at the Fox and Hound, that's a failure of the business, and of you for not getting the manager to address it. It's not the governments job.

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Originally Posted by Mr Flopnuts

And everyone around here cries about the pussification of America until it's them partaking in it. Then it's different, and okay.

Truth.

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Originally Posted by Bearcat

Yeah, because that should be one of the choices we have to make when choosing an employer.

Yeah, it should. More choices are always a good thing, IMO. It's certainly preferably to being dictated to.

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Originally Posted by Bearcat

It's annoying enugh when people sit in my cube after coming in from a smoke break.

Well, grow a sack and cope, or find another job if you can't handle being around a co-worker who makes a different choice than you.

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Originally Posted by Simplex3

So if 18% of the population had rancid gas and insisted on farting your direction while you tried to eat you wouldn't try and get something done about that?

Nope, I'd find a restaurant where the management had a voluntary "no directional or excessive farting" policy. But that's just me.

**Mr. Flopnuts** · 01-28-2008, 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Simplex3

So if 18% of the population had rancid gas and insisted on farting your direction while you tried to eat you wouldn't try and get something done about that?

What? Ban them from restaurants for it?

Seriously? fuck no I wouldn't try and do anything about it. I'd ask for the non farting section, if that didn't work, I'd eat at home. Come on.

bkkcoh · 01-28-2008, 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by ClevelandBronco

It will pass. Democracy triumphs over individual rights once again. The business owner is the only one who should have a right to decide this.

Hey Bronco, if it is passed by a majority of the voting public, how is democracy > individual rights? The people would have spoke up and stated what they wanted, didn't they?

**DaneMcCloud** · 01-28-2008, 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by ClevelandBronco

It will pass. Democracy triumphs over individual rights once again. The business owner is the only one who should have a right to decide this.

WHY?

Why should 82% of the population be FORCED to endure smoking and second hand smoke? Isn't this a democracy? Especially when it's a documented health issue?

Adept Havelock · 01-28-2008, 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

WHY?

Why should 82% of the population be FORCED to endure smoking and second hand smoke? Isn't this a democracy? Especially when it's a documented health issue?

Who is "Forcing" you? Aren't you free to decide if you want to go to a location that allows you to smoke or not?

Who "forced" you to go to the Fox and Hound? Who "forced" you to stay when the smoker began behaving inappropriately?

That's simply BS.

Considering you couldn't be bothered to answer my simple question about letting the market decide, I suspect you won't tell me who "forced" you either. It's easier to just rant about those evil senseless smokers.

**Mr. Flopnuts** · 01-28-2008, 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by ClevelandBronco

It will pass. Democracy triumphs over individual rights once again. The business owner is the only one who should have a right to decide this.

That's all I am saying. Yeah, I smoke. This doesn't have anything to do with ME. I've been dealing with a majority of non smoking establishments for many many years. This is about telling a business and property owner that he may not permit a legal activity on his property. If we're going to ban smoking, let's ban cigerettes. Let's go all the way and ban EVERY single solitary substance that is bad for you and contributes to the death of innocents every year. Smoking, alcohol, saturated fat. Let's make everyone eat nothing but fruit and vegetables, and drink water. Everything else is banned in the name of public health.

**alanm** · 01-28-2008, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr Flopnuts

I've said this before, and I will say it again. If you vote yes to people losing their civil liberties because it makes life more convenient for you, don't cry when it's your civil liberties that you lose on the next election. You have nothing to complain about, because you contribute to the problem.

Hear hear.

**DaneMcCloud** · 01-28-2008, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Adept Havelock

Why am I not surprised there's not a single comment in that rant addressing my question. What's wrong with letting people and the market decide for themselves? I know that's a real tough concept for someone living in the People's Republic of California to wrap your noggin' around, but I did spell it out quite clearly.

Don't want it to affect you? Don't go. Seems to me that if there are plenty of folks who don't want to go someplace where smoking is allowed, the market will bring forth places that voluntarily prohibit smoking. If there aren't it won't.

Great advice. Don't go. Would you like to eat an excellent restaurant? Great! Oh, but you have to endure the chain smoker next to you. Your choice!

Thanks, moron.

Again, what's wrong is that it has been deemed a PUBLIC HEALTH HAZARD.

What about that don't you understand? If there were asbestos found in a restaurant, wouldn't the owner be legally obligated to remove it before re-opening? Can you not comprehend the words Public Health Hazard?

Additionally, over 40 million people in the state of California have lived with this law for more than a decade. Same with New York City, Chicago, the countries of Scotland, Ireland, England, France and Itay.

WHAT MAKES MISSOURI SO SPECIAL?

bkkcoh · 01-28-2008, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

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WHAT MAKES MISSOURI SO SPECIAL?

I guess no one has "Shown - em"

That must be their hard-headed side....

memyselfI · 01-28-2008, 01:23 PM

I would vote yes if I could. I live in OP though.

**DaFace** · 01-28-2008, 01:25 PM

Dane - do you support bans for bars as well? I don't have a huge argument against smoking bans in restaurants, but it's the bars that get me. It seems like every argument you've had focuses on restaurants - not bars, so I'm just curious how you feel about it.

**Mr. Flopnuts** · 01-28-2008, 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by memyselfI

I would vote yes if I could. I live in OP though.

Democrats have long supported big government, this doesn't surprise me at all. You'd also like to have smokers pay for your entire share of taxation at the same time that you oppress them.

**DaneMcCloud** · 01-28-2008, 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Adept Havelock

Who is "Forcing" you? Aren't you free to decide if you want to go to a location that allows you to smoke or not?

Who "forced" you to go to the Fox and Hound? Who "forced" you to stay when the smoker began behaving inappropriately?

That's simply BS.

Considering you couldn't be bothered to answer my simple question about letting the market decide, I suspect you won't tell me who "forced" you either. It's easier to just rant about those evil senseless smokers.

Smoking isn't a right protected under the Constitution of the United States. It's not listed in the Bill of Rights. It doesn't read "Right to bear arms, smoke cigarettes in public locations..."

I love how you think that I should have to endure smoking in the NON-SMOKING SECTION, especially when there's a pregnant woman present.

So in your opinion, 82% of the American public should STAY HOME or endure the effects of second-hand smoke.

You're a regular genius.

**alanm** · 01-28-2008, 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Yeah!!

I went to dinner tonight with 4 other couples. Our total bill was $1,600.00, or about $300 per couple. If I had to smell smoke of ANY kind, it would have totally, completely and utterly ruined an otherwise outstanding meal.

Fortunately, I live in a state where smoking in restaurants and bars has not been allowed in 11 YEARS. Same goes for NY city, Chicago, SF and other US cities, let alone countries like England, Scotland, France and Italy.

Tell me: What makes Missouri so special? How will Missourians lose their "civil rights"?

Are you implying that hundreds of millions of people across the globe have "lost" civil liberties?

How has this affected the economies of those states and countries?

Is US economy in peril because Missouri is about to outlaw smoking in bars and restaurants?

Because Missouri isn't run by a socialistic state government...Yet. But their getting closer.

Demonpenz · 01-28-2008, 01:28 PM

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View Poll Results: Smioking Ban in KC - Ye or No?
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