Royals Minnesota Twins @ Kansas City Royals Game Thread (5/28) - Page 3

**alnorth** · 09:19 PM

Final / 10	1	2	3	4	5	6	7	8	9	10	R	H	E
MIN (27-25)	0	0	2	0	0	0	1	0	5	1	9	11	2
KC (21-32)	1	0	2	3	0	0	2	0	0	0	8	16	0

Livan Hernandez 6IP 8R 6ER 0BB 2K
Juan Rincon 1IP 0R 0ER 0BB 0K
Bobby Korecky 1.1IP 0R 0ER 0BB 0K
Dennys Reyes 0.1IP 0R 0ER 0BB 0K
Win, (3-2) Jesse Crain 0.1IP 0R 0ER 0BB 0K
Save, (14) Joe Nathan 1IP 0R 0ER 0BB 0K

VS.

Zack Greinke 8IP 3R 3ER 2BB 8K
Ramon Ramirez 0.2IP 4R 4ER 0BB 2K
Blown Save, (1); Loss, (0-2) Joel Peralta 1.1IP 2R 2ER 0BB 0K

Starting Lineups

MIN

1. Carlos Gomez, CF
2. Alexi Casilla, 2B
2. Craig Monroe, ph
2. Matt Macri, 2B
3. Joe Mauer, C
4. Justin Morneau, 1B
5. Michael Cuddyer, RF
6. Jason Kubel, DH
7. Delmon Young, LF
8. Mike Lamb, 3B
9. Brendan Harris, SS

KC

1. Davis DeJesus, RF
1. Ross Gload, ph/RF
2. Joey Gathright, CF
3. Alex Gordon, 3B
4. Jose Guillen, LF
5. Miguel Olivo, C
6. Mark Teahen, 1B
7. Billy Butler, DH
8. Alberto Callaspo, 2B
9. Tony Pena Jr, SS

Fish · 05-28-2008, 07:21 PM

Love to see Hernandez getting rocked....

SPchief · 05-28-2008, 07:22 PM

SCTrojan · 05-28-2008, 07:23 PM

That was incredible. I don't think I've seen an outfielder whiff on a fly ball like that.

**alnorth** · 05-28-2008, 07:25 PM

Top 5th

Young flies out to center
Lamb lines out to shortstop
Harris singles to left
Gomez strikes out (swinging)

0 runs, 1 hit

Bottom 5th

Olivo strikes out (swinging)
Teahen singles to right
Butler grounds into a 4-6-3 double play, Teahen out at second

0 runs, 1 hit

**alnorth** · 05-28-2008, 07:26 PM

I think only 1 of those runs should be earned. Callaspo would not have been sacrificed home without the first throwing error.

SCTrojan · 05-28-2008, 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by alnorth

I think only 1 of those runs should be earned. Callaspo would not have been sacrificed home without the first throwing error.

I don't really understand all the nuances of scoring. But it would seem that since he got on as a result of a base hit and did not advance home solely because of the error, and the error didn't prolong the inning, that run would be considered as earned.

keg in kc · 05-28-2008, 07:37 PM

I turn the game on and they start scoring runs.

WTF.

Is this slump my fault?

**alnorth** · 05-28-2008, 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by SCTrojan

I don't really understand all the nuances of scoring. But it would seem that since he got on as a result of a base hit and did not advance home solely because of the error, and the error didn't prolong the inning, that run would be considered as earned.

Nah, it was unearned, the scorer saw it the same way.

The question you have to ask is very very simple. "Would he have scored if that error did not happen?" In this case, the answer was no, but we didnt know that till the second error.

Callaspo is legitimately on 2nd, but the error advances him to third with 1 out. If we then had a double, then it may have been scored an earned run since he could score from second. Instead we had a second error after the flyout, which clinched the unearned run. Without the errors, he should have been stranded at second with only 1 run in.

Incidentally, once you have a situation where the inning should be over like that second error, then you can allow a million runs and none of them would count as earned.

**alnorth** · 05-28-2008, 07:39 PM

Top 6th

Casilla strikes out (swinging)
Mauer grounds out to first 3-1
Morneau strikes out (looking)

0 runs, 0 hits

Bottom 6th

Callaspo flies out to left
Pena Jr strikes out (swinging)
DeJesus flies out to center

0 runs, 0 hits

SCTrojan · 05-28-2008, 07:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alnorth

Nah, it was unearned, the scorer saw it the same way.

The question you have to ask is very very simple. "Would he have scored if that error did not happen?" In this case, the answer was no, but we didnt know that till the second error.

Callaspo is legitimately on 2nd, but the error advances him to third with 1 out. If we then had a double, then it may have been scored an earned run since he could score from second. Instead we had a second error after the flyout, which clinched the unearned run. Without the errors, he should have been stranded at second with only 1 run in.

Incidentally, once you have a situation where the inning should be over like that second error, then you can allow a million runs and none of them would count as earned.

Makes sense. It's interesting how much subjectivity plays into scoring, especially in determining what is a hit and and what is an error.

SCTrojan · 05-28-2008, 07:47 PM

Which comes first - Pena's average dips below .125 or he gets sat down pretty much permanently?

evolve27 · 05-28-2008, 07:47 PM

Pena is ridiculously bad.

**alnorth** · 05-28-2008, 07:48 PM

Top 7th

Cuddyer flies out to center
Kubel singles to left
Young walks, Kubel to second
Lamb singles to center, Young to second, Kubel scores
Harris strikes out (swinging)
Gomez pops out to pitcher

1 run, 2 hits

Bottom 7th

Gathright singles to center
Gathright steals second
Gordon hits a ground rule double to right, Gathright scores

Juan Rincon relieves Hernandez

Guillen pops out to second
Olivo singles to center, Gordon scores
Teahen grounds out to first 3-1, Olivo to second
Butler flies out to center

2 runs, 3 hits

evolve27 · 05-28-2008, 07:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SCTrojan

Which comes first - Pena's average dips below .125 or he gets sat down pretty much permanently?

I hope he gets sat down permanently.

**alnorth** · 05-28-2008, 07:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SCTrojan

Makes sense. It's interesting how much subjectivity plays into scoring, especially in determining what is a hit and and what is an error.

Luckily this situation didnt require a lot of subjectivity. I think the only real hard rules are that you can never assume a double play. You can assume one out would happen without an error, but never two even if it looked like an obvious double play ball. (so man on 3rd, 1 out, error to shortstop, the run is still earned)

It gets really interesting where you have to subjectively decide if a man on second would have scored on a single. At that point, I just wait till the scorer makes a ruling because I have no clue what they will ever say on that.

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alnorth . Join Date: Dec 2002 Casino cash: $57156239	5th inning Top 5th Young flies out to center Lamb lines out to shortstop Harris singles to left Gomez strikes out (swinging) 0 runs, 1 hit Bottom 5th Olivo strikes out (swinging) Teahen singles to right Butler grounds into a 4-6-3 double play, Teahen out at second 0 runs, 1 hit __________________ how many emo kids does it take to change a lightbulb? HOW MANY?! none they just sit in the dark and cry Last edited by alnorth; 05-28-2008 at 07:35 PM..
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alnorth . Join Date: Dec 2002 Casino cash: $57156239	I think only 1 of those runs should be earned. Callaspo would not have been sacrificed home without the first throwing error. __________________ how many emo kids does it take to change a lightbulb? HOW MANY?! none they just sit in the dark and cry
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05-28-2008, 07:39 PM	#39
alnorth . Join Date: Dec 2002 Casino cash: $57156239	6th inning Top 6th Casilla strikes out (swinging) Mauer grounds out to first 3-1 Morneau strikes out (looking) 0 runs, 0 hits Bottom 6th Callaspo flies out to left Pena Jr strikes out (swinging) DeJesus flies out to center 0 runs, 0 hits __________________ how many emo kids does it take to change a lightbulb? HOW MANY?! none they just sit in the dark and cry Last edited by alnorth; 05-28-2008 at 07:47 PM..
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05-28-2008, 07:48 PM	#43
alnorth . Join Date: Dec 2002 Casino cash: $57156239	7th inning Top 7th Cuddyer flies out to center Kubel singles to left Young walks, Kubel to second Lamb singles to center, Young to second, Kubel scores Harris strikes out (swinging) Gomez pops out to pitcher 1 run, 2 hits Bottom 7th Gathright singles to center Gathright steals second Gordon hits a ground rule double to right, Gathright scores Juan Rincon relieves Hernandez Guillen pops out to second Olivo singles to center, Gordon scores Teahen grounds out to first 3-1, Olivo to second Butler flies out to center 2 runs, 3 hits __________________ how many emo kids does it take to change a lightbulb? HOW MANY?! none they just sit in the dark and cry Last edited by alnorth; 05-28-2008 at 08:19 PM..
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