Chiefs BRC is no longer a "real" fan. - Page 3

**BigRedChief** · 06-09-2008, 03:42 PM

Edited version of my email to the chiefs........................

After being on the season ticket waiting list for 4 years I finally became a season ticket holder in 1996. Back then 3 season tickets cost me $1,113. This year’s bill was $2,604. By the time you tally in parking, gas to and from the games the yearly bill easily exceeds $3,000. That doesn’t even include tailgating supplies or anything bought inside the stadium. With that kind of money I could plan a major family vacation, house improvements, and provide additional funds for college etc.etc. Spending $3,000 for something that has lost its value just doesn’t make sense to me anymore.

I’m sure that the season ticket prices will continue to go up at a rate higher than inflation and with the re-opening of the “new” Arrowhead really escalate in price. I’m not having a financial hardship. I’m still way over paid for the work that I do. There is no reason to doubt that in the future that my pay scale will continue upward. So I can afford the season tickets even the club level seats if I so chose to do so. It’s just that I don’t think it’s a good value for my family anymore.

When I have to pay for 2 pre-season games (close to $500.00) that are glorified practices it reduces the value of being a season ticket holder. I’m now unable to sell my tickets at face value to anyone. Sometimes I can’t even give them away for free. That decreases the value of being a season ticket holder.

When I try to upgrade my seats to a better location I’m told that there are no real upgrades available. I feel this is because of the Wolf pack Club program that saves lower level seats and premium upper level seats for new season ticket holders. You can pay $400 - $500 a year to join the “club” and you jump in front of me. 12 years of season tickets are worth $400 to the Chiefs. How many $1,000’s have I spent on pre-season games and down year games? Again this has de-valued being a season ticket holder.

I love tailgating. I love seeing old friends and meeting new ones on game days. The game day experience no matter if the Chiefs win or lose is always an excellent time. Year after year I have seen some hard core long time season ticket holders give up their tickets. This has taken a toll on the fervor of the fans inside Arrowhead.

These hard core fans have been replaced by people seeking social time with friends and family, co-workers and businesses rewarding employees. They love their pre-game tents with the no fuss ready to eat buffets. They will really love the new club level. Nothing wrong with this new social dynamic except that a by product of this is that they are not as committed to the team and making Arrowhead the loudest stadium in the NFL as were the fans that they replaced. And that decreases the value and fun of being a season ticket holder.

Maybe if I had no faith in King Carl to rebuild our team I’d still see a value in being a season ticket holder. King Carl deserves to be in the KC Chiefs HOF. He is directly responsible for making the Arrowhead game day experience one of the best if not the best in the NFL. But his arrogance has also brought the Chiefs down to levels that have been shameful and very distasteful to experience as a Chiefs fan.

King Carl has had 19 years to get this right but he still can’t admit mistakes. His failure to evaluate talent is why we are in the current re-building mode. His time as GM should have been up a long time ago. I feel that he has stayed on as GM because of the great business skills he has and the profit he makes for the franchise. I believe King Carl wants to win as much as any of the NFL GM’s, he just doesn’t know how. After 19 years its time to give someone else a chance.

One of the benefits of being a season ticket holder is keeping the same tickets for playoff games. One playoff game at Arrowhead in 10 years doesn’t increase the value of being a season ticket holder.

I’m optimistic about the future. The last 2 drafts have given us fans hope. I’ll still go to the games. I’ll just cherry pick the games. Home opener, Broncos, Raiders etc. Maybe in a couple of years from now when we are good again I’ll see the value in being a season ticket holder. I can just buy the rights to someone’s seat with the $6,000 that I saved from not giving that money to the Chiefs front office for 2 years. I’ll always be a Chiefs fan and shall cheer no other. It’s just that the majority of the time I’ll be doing that cheering in front of a big screen TV.

blueballs · 06-09-2008, 10:06 PM

Carl uses cotton paper in his printer
those butt cuts don't heal well

Hammock Parties · 06-09-2008, 10:16 PM

Going to a game is a pretty exhausting experience nowadays anyway. Not worth it if the team blows and the fans aren't into it like they used to be. Let alone the money.

**BigRedChief** · 06-09-2008, 10:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Claythan

Going to a game is a pretty exhausting experience nowadays anyway. Not worth it if the team blows and the fans aren't into it like they used to be. Let alone the money.

You guys should make sure King Carl or someone other than the mail room reads the letter.

ChiefsCountry · 06-09-2008, 10:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

You guys should make sure King Carl or someone other than the mail room reads the letter.

I'm positive they know what is going on.

Now to the business side: But right now all sport franchises are trying to get tickets from two groups right now - businesses and Generation X and Y. Most franchises kind of want the baby boomer group out and replaced with younger season ticket holders. Dont kill the messager but its a trend that will be seen more and more among sport franchises.

Hammock Parties · 06-09-2008, 10:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

You guys should make sure King Carl or someone other than the mail room reads the letter.

I'll see what I can do. I only got like three people, including you, to follow up on the disgruntled season-ticket holders article (Is Arrowhead Dying?) we ran during the season.

Reerun_KC · 06-09-2008, 10:40 PM

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Originally Posted by bogey

If I couldn't watch the Chiefs every Sunday on the NFL Directtv Sunday ticket (win or lose) I would be the one suffering. If I had season tickets at Arrowhead, and all of the sudden stopped attending, I feel like it would be me that lost out, not the Chiefs. I respect the fact that you wrote a letter, but the King and the Chiefs don't give a shit. You're losing out on something that I assume was a pleasure. Congrats to you for sticking to your guns. I have few passions in life, watching the Chiefs is one of them. If I had season tickets, I couldn't give up that passion. That's just me.

Dude the last two years have really taken a toll on the fanbase... Hell I find it hard to pony up the $275 or whatever it is this year for the NFL Ticket, just to watch the Chiefs... yeah it doesnt seem like a lot compared to the STH's cash they have to pony up, but right now, this brand of 1989 football has sucked the life out of the fanbase.

I like the youth, the team, but the coaches are keeping people from truly embracing this team and moving forward with excitement and passion. 2010 should be the year KC has new leadership and coaching. Until then.... We all have to suffer together.

teedubya · 06-09-2008, 11:16 PM

People... this isn't a ONE year thing.

This fan base has been worn out since Montana left town. And, that was the last real hope for our franchise. If Montana had come back for 95... and Carl hadn't fired Nick Lowery. Oh, the magical memories we could have shared.

But no. Bono and Elliot ruin it. Then we lose to the Donkos... in 1997. Neil Smith goes to the Broncos and wins a ****ing Superbowl. Bong Morris and Gunther as head coach is what we get. And more Carl. Arrghh

Derrick Thomas' death gave a real blow to the fan base of the Chiefs.

Then a resurgence with the Priest Holmes, Tony Gonzalez and Trent Green show happened... and they RE-STOLE our hearts... and then the Colts happened again in 2003.

Two more years of hope and bullshit. Dick Vermiel finally ****ing leaves. And leaves us old as shit and 5 shitty drafts in a row.

Oh yay! Mediocre Herman Edwards comes to town. Yippee ****ing do. He sucks with the Jets, NEVER better than 10-6. And he is to be our savior? Dude SUCKS.

So, Herm has a decent offense... but it gets shelfed for shit ball. So,then again in 2006, we play the MOTHER ****ING COLTS in the playoffs off again. This time IN THEIR HOME, the Dome. Maybe we can piss on their parades?

Nope.

With Herm's shitabulous field goal extravangza offense, it is painful to watch.

Plus, factor in that we have been dealing with Gunther since 1995. Maybe this defense works... but if not... Gunther has to go. Carl is a fairly loyal person. He sticks with shit for too long... buddy system bullshit.

Carl, we are fed up with your bullshit. We are fed up with your mockery. You raise ticket prices around here like you are some king shit pimp.

Get the **** out of town, and stay the **** off the Ring of Honor.

Reerun_KC · 06-10-2008, 07:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ari Chi3fs

People... this isn't a ONE year thing.

This fan base has been worn out since Montana left town. And, that was the last real hope for our franchise. If Montana had come back for 95... and Carl hadn't fired Nick Lowery. Oh, the magical memories we could have shared.

But no. Bono and Elliot ruin it. Then we lose to the Donkos... in 1997. Neil Smith goes to the Broncos and wins a ****ing Superbowl. Bong Morris and Gunther as head coach is what we get. And more Carl. Arrghh

Derrick Thomas' death gave a real blow to the fan base of the Chiefs.

Then a resurgence with the Priest Holmes, Tony Gonzalez and Trent Green show happened... and they RE-STOLE our hearts... and then the Colts happened again in 2003.

Two more years of hope and bullshit. Dick Vermiel finally ****ing leaves. And leaves us old as shit and 5 shitty drafts in a row.

Oh yay! Mediocre Herman Edwards comes to town. Yippee ****ing do. He sucks with the Jets, NEVER better than 10-6. And he is to be our savior? Dude SUCKS.

So, Herm has a decent offense... but it gets shelfed for shit ball. So,then again in 2006, we play the MOTHER ****ING COLTS in the playoffs off again. This time IN THEIR HOME, the Dome. Maybe we can piss on their parades?

Nope.

With Herm's shitabulous field goal extravangza offense, it is painful to watch.

Plus, factor in that we have been dealing with Gunther since 1995. Maybe this defense works... but if not... Gunther has to go. Carl is a fairly loyal person. He sticks with shit for too long... buddy system bullshit.

Carl, we are fed up with your bullshit. We are fed up with your mockery. You raise ticket prices around here like you are some king shit pimp.

Get the **** out of town, and stay the **** off the Ring of Honor.

That was outstanding!

Rep!

**Skip Towne** · 06-10-2008, 07:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ari Chi3fs

People... this isn't a ONE year thing.

This fan base has been worn out since Montana left town. And, that was the last real hope for our franchise. If Montana had come back for 95... and Carl hadn't fired Nick Lowery. Oh, the magical memories we could have shared.

But no. Bono and Elliot ruin it. Then we lose to the Donkos... in 1997. Neil Smith goes to the Broncos and wins a ****ing Superbowl. Bong Morris and Gunther as head coach is what we get. And more Carl. Arrghh

Derrick Thomas' death gave a real blow to the fan base of the Chiefs.

Then a resurgence with the Priest Holmes, Tony Gonzalez and Trent Green show happened... and they RE-STOLE our hearts... and then the Colts happened again in 2003.

Two more years of hope and bullshit. Dick Vermiel finally ****ing leaves. And leaves us old as shit and 5 shitty drafts in a row.

Oh yay! Mediocre Herman Edwards comes to town. Yippee ****ing do. He sucks with the Jets, NEVER better than 10-6. And he is to be our savior? Dude SUCKS.

So, Herm has a decent offense... but it gets shelfed for shit ball. So,then again in 2006, we play the MOTHER ****ING COLTS in the playoffs off again. This time IN THEIR HOME, the Dome. Maybe we can piss on their parades?

Nope.

With Herm's shitabulous field goal extravangza offense, it is painful to watch.

Plus, factor in that we have been dealing with Gunther since 1995. Maybe this defense works... but if not... Gunther has to go. Carl is a fairly loyal person. He sticks with shit for too long... buddy system bullshit.

Carl, we are fed up with your bullshit. We are fed up with your mockery. You raise ticket prices around here like you are some king shit pimp.

Get the **** out of town, and stay the **** off the Ring of Honor.

Quality rant!

Reerun_KC · 06-10-2008, 07:49 AM

"Herm's shitabulous field goal extravangza offense"

That is ****ing funny!

Hammock Parties · 06-10-2008, 07:52 AM

I'm really tired of people saying Herm destroyed the Chiefs' offense.

The talent was already going downhill. Solari was Carl's choice as OC.

Herm is essentially blameless for the current state of the offense. Now if we suck on offense the next three years, he gets blame.

Reerun_KC · 06-10-2008, 07:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Claythan

I'm really tired of people saying Herm destroyed the Chiefs' offense.

The talent was already going downhill. Solari was Carl's choice as OC.

Herm is essentially blameless for the current state of the offense. Now if we suck on offense the next three years, he gets blame.

Regardless, Herm has never had an offense during his HC career that was worth a shit anyways.. So the arguement is a moot point.

King_Chief_Fan · 06-10-2008, 08:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Claythan

I'm really tired of people saying Herm destroyed the Chiefs' offense.

The talent was already going downhill. Solari was Carl's choice as OC.

Herm is essentially blameless for the current state of the offense. Now if we suck on offense the next three years, he gets blame.

you have no credibility with your comments. One day you bash him, the next day you try to show your boss that you are on Herm's good side. If you are tired of hearing about Herm from us haters, quit coming here. There is nothing you will say that will change the more intelligent minds.

**Skip Towne** · 06-10-2008, 08:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by King_Chief_Fan

you have no credibility with your comments. One day you bash him, the next day you try to show your boss that you are on Herm's good side. If you are tired of hearing about Herm from us haters, quit coming here. There is nothing you will say that will change the more intelligent minds.

Exactly right.

Hammock Parties · 06-10-2008, 08:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by King_Chief_Fan

you have no credibility with your comments. One day you bash him, the next day you try to show your boss that you are on Herm's good side.

That's a load of crap.

06-09-2008, 03:42 PM
BigRedChief Has a particular set of skills Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: On the water Casino cash: $-571038 VARSITY	BRC is no longer a "real" fan. Edited version of my email to the chiefs........................ After being on the season ticket waiting list for 4 years I finally became a season ticket holder in 1996. Back then 3 season tickets cost me $1,113. This year’s bill was $2,604. By the time you tally in parking, gas to and from the games the yearly bill easily exceeds $3,000. That doesn’t even include tailgating supplies or anything bought inside the stadium. With that kind of money I could plan a major family vacation, house improvements, and provide additional funds for college etc.etc. Spending $3,000 for something that has lost its value just doesn’t make sense to me anymore. I’m sure that the season ticket prices will continue to go up at a rate higher than inflation and with the re-opening of the “new” Arrowhead really escalate in price. I’m not having a financial hardship. I’m still way over paid for the work that I do. There is no reason to doubt that in the future that my pay scale will continue upward. So I can afford the season tickets even the club level seats if I so chose to do so. It’s just that I don’t think it’s a good value for my family anymore. When I have to pay for 2 pre-season games (close to $500.00) that are glorified practices it reduces the value of being a season ticket holder. I’m now unable to sell my tickets at face value to anyone. Sometimes I can’t even give them away for free. That decreases the value of being a season ticket holder. When I try to upgrade my seats to a better location I’m told that there are no real upgrades available. I feel this is because of the Wolf pack Club program that saves lower level seats and premium upper level seats for new season ticket holders. You can pay $400 - $500 a year to join the “club” and you jump in front of me. 12 years of season tickets are worth $400 to the Chiefs. How many $1,000’s have I spent on pre-season games and down year games? Again this has de-valued being a season ticket holder. I love tailgating. I love seeing old friends and meeting new ones on game days. The game day experience no matter if the Chiefs win or lose is always an excellent time. Year after year I have seen some hard core long time season ticket holders give up their tickets. This has taken a toll on the fervor of the fans inside Arrowhead. These hard core fans have been replaced by people seeking social time with friends and family, co-workers and businesses rewarding employees. They love their pre-game tents with the no fuss ready to eat buffets. They will really love the new club level. Nothing wrong with this new social dynamic except that a by product of this is that they are not as committed to the team and making Arrowhead the loudest stadium in the NFL as were the fans that they replaced. And that decreases the value and fun of being a season ticket holder. Maybe if I had no faith in King Carl to rebuild our team I’d still see a value in being a season ticket holder. King Carl deserves to be in the KC Chiefs HOF. He is directly responsible for making the Arrowhead game day experience one of the best if not the best in the NFL. But his arrogance has also brought the Chiefs down to levels that have been shameful and very distasteful to experience as a Chiefs fan. King Carl has had 19 years to get this right but he still can’t admit mistakes. His failure to evaluate talent is why we are in the current re-building mode. His time as GM should have been up a long time ago. I feel that he has stayed on as GM because of the great business skills he has and the profit he makes for the franchise. I believe King Carl wants to win as much as any of the NFL GM’s, he just doesn’t know how. After 19 years its time to give someone else a chance. One of the benefits of being a season ticket holder is keeping the same tickets for playoff games. One playoff game at Arrowhead in 10 years doesn’t increase the value of being a season ticket holder. I’m optimistic about the future. The last 2 drafts have given us fans hope. I’ll still go to the games. I’ll just cherry pick the games. Home opener, Broncos, Raiders etc. Maybe in a couple of years from now when we are good again I’ll see the value in being a season ticket holder. I can just buy the rights to someone’s seat with the $6,000 that I saved from not giving that money to the Chiefs front office for 2 years. I’ll always be a Chiefs fan and shall cheer no other. It’s just that the majority of the time I’ll be doing that cheering in front of a big screen TV.
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blueballs Banned Join Date: Feb 2006 Casino cash: $10004900	Carl uses cotton paper in his printer those butt cuts don't heal well
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Hammock Parties I'll be back. Join Date: Nov 2002 Casino cash: $1020478	Going to a game is a pretty exhausting experience nowadays anyway. Not worth it if the team blows and the fans aren't into it like they used to be. Let alone the money. __________________ Chiefs game films
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06-09-2008, 11:16 PM	#37
teedubya Most Valuable Poster Join Date: Oct 2003 Casino cash: $9003042	People... this isn't a ONE year thing. This fan base has been worn out since Montana left town. And, that was the last real hope for our franchise. If Montana had come back for 95... and Carl hadn't fired Nick Lowery. Oh, the magical memories we could have shared. But no. Bono and Elliot ruin it. Then we lose to the Donkos... in 1997. Neil Smith goes to the Broncos and wins a **ing Superbowl. Bong Morris and Gunther as head coach is what we get. And more Carl. Arrghh Derrick Thomas' death gave a real blow to the fan base of the Chiefs. Then a resurgence with the Priest Holmes, Tony Gonzalez and Trent Green show happened... and they RE-STOLE our hearts... and then the Colts happened again in 2003. Two more years of hope and bullshit. Dick Vermiel finally ing leaves. And leaves us old as shit and 5 shitty drafts in a row. Oh yay! Mediocre Herman Edwards comes to town. Yippee ing do. He sucks with the Jets, NEVER better than 10-6. And he is to be our savior? Dude SUCKS. So, Herm has a decent offense... but it gets shelfed for shit ball. So,then again in 2006, we play the MOTHER ING COLTS in the playoffs off again. This time IN THEIR HOME, the Dome. Maybe we can piss on their parades? Nope. With Herm's shitabulous field goal extravangza offense, it is painful to watch. Plus, factor in that we have been dealing with Gunther since 1995. Maybe this defense works... but if not... Gunther has to go. Carl is a fairly loyal person. He sticks with shit for too long... buddy system bullshit. Carl, we are fed up with your bullshit. We are fed up with your mockery. You raise ticket prices around here like you are some king shit pimp. Get the out of town, and stay the ** off the Ring of Honor.
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06-10-2008, 07:49 AM	#40
Reerun_KC Banned Join Date: Aug 2005 Casino cash: $7231160	"Herm's shitabulous field goal extravangza offense" That is ****ing funny!
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06-10-2008, 07:52 AM	#41
Hammock Parties I'll be back. Join Date: Nov 2002 Casino cash: $1020478	I'm really tired of people saying Herm destroyed the Chiefs' offense. The talent was already going downhill. Solari was Carl's choice as OC. Herm is essentially blameless for the current state of the offense. Now if we suck on offense the next three years, he gets blame. __________________ Chiefs game films
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