Chiefs BRC is no longer a "real" fan. - Page 9

**BigRedChief** · 06-09-2008, 03:42 PM

Edited version of my email to the chiefs........................

After being on the season ticket waiting list for 4 years I finally became a season ticket holder in 1996. Back then 3 season tickets cost me $1,113. This year’s bill was $2,604. By the time you tally in parking, gas to and from the games the yearly bill easily exceeds $3,000. That doesn’t even include tailgating supplies or anything bought inside the stadium. With that kind of money I could plan a major family vacation, house improvements, and provide additional funds for college etc.etc. Spending $3,000 for something that has lost its value just doesn’t make sense to me anymore.

I’m sure that the season ticket prices will continue to go up at a rate higher than inflation and with the re-opening of the “new” Arrowhead really escalate in price. I’m not having a financial hardship. I’m still way over paid for the work that I do. There is no reason to doubt that in the future that my pay scale will continue upward. So I can afford the season tickets even the club level seats if I so chose to do so. It’s just that I don’t think it’s a good value for my family anymore.

When I have to pay for 2 pre-season games (close to $500.00) that are glorified practices it reduces the value of being a season ticket holder. I’m now unable to sell my tickets at face value to anyone. Sometimes I can’t even give them away for free. That decreases the value of being a season ticket holder.

When I try to upgrade my seats to a better location I’m told that there are no real upgrades available. I feel this is because of the Wolf pack Club program that saves lower level seats and premium upper level seats for new season ticket holders. You can pay $400 - $500 a year to join the “club” and you jump in front of me. 12 years of season tickets are worth $400 to the Chiefs. How many $1,000’s have I spent on pre-season games and down year games? Again this has de-valued being a season ticket holder.

I love tailgating. I love seeing old friends and meeting new ones on game days. The game day experience no matter if the Chiefs win or lose is always an excellent time. Year after year I have seen some hard core long time season ticket holders give up their tickets. This has taken a toll on the fervor of the fans inside Arrowhead.

These hard core fans have been replaced by people seeking social time with friends and family, co-workers and businesses rewarding employees. They love their pre-game tents with the no fuss ready to eat buffets. They will really love the new club level. Nothing wrong with this new social dynamic except that a by product of this is that they are not as committed to the team and making Arrowhead the loudest stadium in the NFL as were the fans that they replaced. And that decreases the value and fun of being a season ticket holder.

Maybe if I had no faith in King Carl to rebuild our team I’d still see a value in being a season ticket holder. King Carl deserves to be in the KC Chiefs HOF. He is directly responsible for making the Arrowhead game day experience one of the best if not the best in the NFL. But his arrogance has also brought the Chiefs down to levels that have been shameful and very distasteful to experience as a Chiefs fan.

King Carl has had 19 years to get this right but he still can’t admit mistakes. His failure to evaluate talent is why we are in the current re-building mode. His time as GM should have been up a long time ago. I feel that he has stayed on as GM because of the great business skills he has and the profit he makes for the franchise. I believe King Carl wants to win as much as any of the NFL GM’s, he just doesn’t know how. After 19 years its time to give someone else a chance.

One of the benefits of being a season ticket holder is keeping the same tickets for playoff games. One playoff game at Arrowhead in 10 years doesn’t increase the value of being a season ticket holder.

I’m optimistic about the future. The last 2 drafts have given us fans hope. I’ll still go to the games. I’ll just cherry pick the games. Home opener, Broncos, Raiders etc. Maybe in a couple of years from now when we are good again I’ll see the value in being a season ticket holder. I can just buy the rights to someone’s seat with the $6,000 that I saved from not giving that money to the Chiefs front office for 2 years. I’ll always be a Chiefs fan and shall cheer no other. It’s just that the majority of the time I’ll be doing that cheering in front of a big screen TV.

**Buehler445** · 06-11-2008, 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by KC Fish

Now you're backtracking....

So now it's Herm's fault that he didn't step in and change things to prevent punting to Peyton? Easier said than done.

How about executing the plays? Is it also Herm's fault that the players couldn't execute the plays that were called?

If they would have done that, we likely would have won that game. If the defense would have made a stop in the 4th quarter, we likely would have won. It doesn't make a shit bit of difference what plays were called or who called them if the personnel can't execute it.

No, I'm operating under the premise that Herm is responsible for that play. I seriously don't think that Solari would be like, "No, Herm, I don't think we can get a 12 yard play. I'm going to run a draw play to get Colquitt 2 more yards and make Gunther's D stop the best offensive unit in the league." Sorry, I don't buy it. Not in the least.

ChiefsCountry · 06-11-2008, 09:00 PM

Jesus Saunders used to run draws on 3rd and Long quite a bit as well but on the other hand so did Jimmy Raye with Donnell Bennett.

**BigRedChief** · 06-11-2008, 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief

Thats what I'll miss most is the tailgating and friends built up through the years.
Weirdwolf
FirstDownElvis
Nzoner
Brock
JSPChief
and now me

Thats some seriously hard core Chief fans that have given up their tickets.

Big ommision. I profusely apoligize. You are worthy!

Fish · 06-12-2008, 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Buehler445

No, I'm operating under the premise that Herm is responsible for that play. I seriously don't think that Solari would be like, "No, Herm, I don't think we can get a 12 yard play. I'm going to run a draw play to get Colquitt 2 more yards and make Gunther's D stop the best offensive unit in the league." Sorry, I don't buy it. Not in the least.

You're "operating under a premise" huh? You mean blindly guessing what someone else might have been thinking?

No matter how badly you want to blame Herm for everything, the offensive coordinator calls the plays. Not the head coach. And The OC doesn't check in with the head coach on each play to get his opinion on the matter. It doesn't happen that way.

Keep reaching.

**BigRedChief** · 06-12-2008, 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by xfactor

Am I the only one happy to see this finally happen. With the TeePee calling it quits and now BRC folding up the tailgate I will now live longer. It took away many years of my life dancing at the Teepee getting to the point of almost a heart attack, then being topped off by having to walk 20 feet and BRC giving me a "HEART ATTACK ON A BUN." Not to mention BRC giving me the biggest man hugs, I actually know what it feels like to be a pimple being popped cause of these.

In all serious, BRC with you the Tee Pee calling it quits, Weirdwolf retiring and Elvis making the same decsion you have, has completely blown Lot C up into also nothing. You were a huge part of what made that area the very best in the area of tailgating/party in the whole NFL and I've been to 24 NFL stadiums to justify that comment. There was not a better time anywhere in the NFL. Like I told WeirdWolf, go recharge those batteries, relight that fire and we will hold the fort down. In the meantime I will work on my spandex figure walking aimlessly through the parking lot trying to find "THE PARTY" but nothing will every compare to the one you helped make. You defiently will have to give me a hugs to make up for the ones I don't get every game you do decide to come to.

I know you get a lot of grief about the spandex and beeing an attention whore.

But I know all about the charity work that you do and the people that you have helped when you wern't in the spandex. Just let them be haters and keep up the charity work.

I'll see you on opening day or at Red Friday!

Reerun_KC · 06-12-2008, 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by KC Fish

You're "operating under a premise" huh? You mean blindly guessing what someone else might have been thinking?

No matter how badly you want to blame Herm for everything, the offensive coordinator calls the plays. Not the head coach. And The OC doesn't check in with the head coach on each play to get his opinion on the matter. It doesn't happen that way.

Keep reaching.

Speaking of reaching.. Herm is this really you?

Oh and why do all the plays go through the Asst HC before they go onto the field? Yet the Asst HC has veto power over the OC...

Why you failing to bring that into the conversation?

**OnTheWarpath15** · 06-12-2008, 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Reerun_KC

Speaking of reaching.. Herm is this really you?

Oh and why do all the plays go through the Asst HC before they go onto the field? Yet the Asst HC has veto power over the OC...

Why you failing to bring that into the conversation?

I'd love to see a link that confirms that information.

Christ, an OC gets about 15 seconds out of the play clock to make a decision and make a play call so the offense can get out of the huddle on time. They don't have the time to go through multiple decision makers.

Some of you guys are acting like there's a ****ing union meeting over on the sidelines determining the playcall.

Reerun_KC · 06-12-2008, 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

I'd love to see a link that confirms that information.

Christ, an OC gets about 15 seconds out of the play clock to make a decision and make a play call so the offense can get out of the huddle on time. They don't have the time to go through multiple decision makers.

Some of you guys are acting like there's a ****ing union meeting over on the sidelines determining the playcall.

I would like to see a link that proves otherwise... You have your opinion and I have mine....

A union meeting on the sidelines would be a step up. Problem is Herm is still part of that union...

**Buehler445** · 06-12-2008, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by KC Fish

You're "operating under a premise" huh? You mean blindly guessing what someone else might have been thinking?

No matter how badly you want to blame Herm for everything, the offensive coordinator calls the plays. Not the head coach. And The OC doesn't check in with the head coach on each play to get his opinion on the matter. It doesn't happen that way.

Keep reaching.

If you think Herm has no effect on the plays that are called, especially for a n00b coordinator, then there is not really much more to talk about.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 06-12-2008, 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Reerun_KC

I would like to see a link that proves otherwise... You have your opinion and I have mine....

A union meeting on the sidelines would be a step up. Problem is Herm is still part of that union...

Who needs a link when you use common ****ing sense?

Oh, wait. Too much to ask from you.

If the situation you're suggesting was actually the case, we'd be getting 15 delay of game penalties every Sunday.

There's simply not enough time to have a decision made, a play called, THEN VETOED - only to have another decision made and ANOTHER play called.

All in 15 seconds.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 06-12-2008, 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Buehler445

If you think Herm has no effect on the plays that are called, especially for a n00b coordinator, then there is not really much more to talk about.

Having an "effect" and actually controlling the playcalls on Sunday are two totally separate issues.

There's not a HC in the league that doesn't sit down with the OC during the week to discuss playcalls for specific down and distance situations.

But to say that he's vetoing the playcalls and making them himself on Sunday is flat out tinfoil hat BS.

As pointed out already, there's just not enough time.

**Buehler445** · 06-12-2008, 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Having an "effect" and actually controlling the playcalls on Sunday are two totally separate issues.

There's not a HC in the league that doesn't sit down with the OC during the week to discuss playcalls for specific down and distance situations.

But to say that he's vetoing the playcalls and making them himself on Sunday is flat out tinfoil hat BS.

As pointed out already, there's just not enough time.

I think Herm had a tremendous amount to do with that specific decision. He stated several times that he was working directly with Solari since he was a n00b. Moreover, he talks consistently about a conservative strategy within games.

Bottom line: Herm is not the coach of this team, we at least TRY to get a first down tie ballgame with 4 minutes left.

**BigRedChief** · 06-13-2008, 06:36 AM

Got this response so far.....Buy another ticket and we will move you to some better seats.

Good afternoon. Thank you for your continued support of the Kansas City Chiefs! I would like to introduce myself as your Kansas City Chiefs account manager.

It has come to my attention that there are seats available next to your LowerLevel season tickets. Do you know anyone who would be interested in sitting next to you for the 2008 season?

If so, I can secure those seats for you or we can relocate all of your seats to a better location with the addition of 1 or more season tickets.

Thank you once again for remaining a part of the Chiefs family. If I can help you in anyway, please call (edited by BRC) or email (edited by BRC) and I would be happy to assist.

All the best, Steve

Steve Eberle│ Account Executive

**Buehler445** · 06-13-2008, 06:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

Got this response so far.....Buy another ticket and we will move you to some better seats.

Good afternoon. Thank you for your continued support of the Kansas City Chiefs! I would like to introduce myself as your Kansas City Chiefs account manager.

It has come to my attention that there are seats available next to your LowerLevel season tickets. Do you know anyone who would be interested in sitting next to you for the 2008 season?

If so, I can secure those seats for you or we can relocate all of your seats to a better location with the addition of 1 or more season tickets.

Thank you once again for remaining a part of the Chiefs family. If I can help you in anyway, please call (edited by BRC) or email (edited by BRC) and I would be happy to assist.

All the best, Steve

Steve Eberle│ Account Executive

At least you got some response. "Account Executive" sounds pretty low to me, but hopefully your message was received by more than him.

Otter · 06-13-2008, 07:02 AM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief

Thats what I'll miss most is the tailgating and friends built up through the years.
Weirdwolf
FirstDownElvis
Nzoner
Brock
JSPChief
and now me

Thats some seriously hard core Chief fans that have given up their tickets.

Wow! I had no idea, like you said, that's a lot of core players.

Tell you what, I'm glad to see it happen though. The people running the show at One Arrowhead Drive have been the General Motors of the NFL for way to long and speaking with your wallet is the only way they'll listen.

There may be light at the end of the tunnel after all.

06-09-2008, 03:42 PM
BigRedChief Has a particular set of skills Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: On the water Casino cash: $-571038 VARSITY	BRC is no longer a "real" fan. Edited version of my email to the chiefs........................ After being on the season ticket waiting list for 4 years I finally became a season ticket holder in 1996. Back then 3 season tickets cost me $1,113. This year’s bill was $2,604. By the time you tally in parking, gas to and from the games the yearly bill easily exceeds $3,000. That doesn’t even include tailgating supplies or anything bought inside the stadium. With that kind of money I could plan a major family vacation, house improvements, and provide additional funds for college etc.etc. Spending $3,000 for something that has lost its value just doesn’t make sense to me anymore. I’m sure that the season ticket prices will continue to go up at a rate higher than inflation and with the re-opening of the “new” Arrowhead really escalate in price. I’m not having a financial hardship. I’m still way over paid for the work that I do. There is no reason to doubt that in the future that my pay scale will continue upward. So I can afford the season tickets even the club level seats if I so chose to do so. It’s just that I don’t think it’s a good value for my family anymore. When I have to pay for 2 pre-season games (close to $500.00) that are glorified practices it reduces the value of being a season ticket holder. I’m now unable to sell my tickets at face value to anyone. Sometimes I can’t even give them away for free. That decreases the value of being a season ticket holder. When I try to upgrade my seats to a better location I’m told that there are no real upgrades available. I feel this is because of the Wolf pack Club program that saves lower level seats and premium upper level seats for new season ticket holders. You can pay $400 - $500 a year to join the “club” and you jump in front of me. 12 years of season tickets are worth $400 to the Chiefs. How many $1,000’s have I spent on pre-season games and down year games? Again this has de-valued being a season ticket holder. I love tailgating. I love seeing old friends and meeting new ones on game days. The game day experience no matter if the Chiefs win or lose is always an excellent time. Year after year I have seen some hard core long time season ticket holders give up their tickets. This has taken a toll on the fervor of the fans inside Arrowhead. These hard core fans have been replaced by people seeking social time with friends and family, co-workers and businesses rewarding employees. They love their pre-game tents with the no fuss ready to eat buffets. They will really love the new club level. Nothing wrong with this new social dynamic except that a by product of this is that they are not as committed to the team and making Arrowhead the loudest stadium in the NFL as were the fans that they replaced. And that decreases the value and fun of being a season ticket holder. Maybe if I had no faith in King Carl to rebuild our team I’d still see a value in being a season ticket holder. King Carl deserves to be in the KC Chiefs HOF. He is directly responsible for making the Arrowhead game day experience one of the best if not the best in the NFL. But his arrogance has also brought the Chiefs down to levels that have been shameful and very distasteful to experience as a Chiefs fan. King Carl has had 19 years to get this right but he still can’t admit mistakes. His failure to evaluate talent is why we are in the current re-building mode. His time as GM should have been up a long time ago. I feel that he has stayed on as GM because of the great business skills he has and the profit he makes for the franchise. I believe King Carl wants to win as much as any of the NFL GM’s, he just doesn’t know how. After 19 years its time to give someone else a chance. One of the benefits of being a season ticket holder is keeping the same tickets for playoff games. One playoff game at Arrowhead in 10 years doesn’t increase the value of being a season ticket holder. I’m optimistic about the future. The last 2 drafts have given us fans hope. I’ll still go to the games. I’ll just cherry pick the games. Home opener, Broncos, Raiders etc. Maybe in a couple of years from now when we are good again I’ll see the value in being a season ticket holder. I can just buy the rights to someone’s seat with the $6,000 that I saved from not giving that money to the Chiefs front office for 2 years. I’ll always be a Chiefs fan and shall cheer no other. It’s just that the majority of the time I’ll be doing that cheering in front of a big screen TV.
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06-13-2008, 06:36 AM	#133
BigRedChief Has a particular set of skills Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: On the water Casino cash: $-571038 VARSITY	Got this response so far.....Buy another ticket and we will move you to some better seats. Good afternoon. Thank you for your continued support of the Kansas City Chiefs! I would like to introduce myself as your Kansas City Chiefs account manager. It has come to my attention that there are seats available next to your LowerLevel season tickets. Do you know anyone who would be interested in sitting next to you for the 2008 season? If so, I can secure those seats for you or we can relocate all of your seats to a better location with the addition of 1 or more season tickets. Thank you once again for remaining a part of the Chiefs family. If I can help you in anyway, please call (edited by BRC) or email (edited by BRC) and I would be happy to assist. All the best, Steve Steve Eberle│ Account Executive __________________ Mahomes is not a game manager. Release the Kraken.
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