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**BigRedChief** · 07-07-2008, 07:05 AM

Figured that if we had one thread to discuss Cardinals "stuff" it would be easier to find. What do you think? Good idea?

Jewish Rabbi · 07-08-2008, 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by PGM

The Cards just won't go away. I keep waiting for them to come back to Earth, but as soon as they lose a series they bounce back. Once Albert gets on one of his super hot streaks the offense will pick up and the pitching will get thier "acquisitions" in getting Carpenter and Wainwright back.

Not sure how much of a help Carp will be this year...He'll prolly just come out of the bullpen for the rest of the year, ala Matt Morris. That said, I'd love to see him get back in shape and starting by September.

Pasta Little Brioni · 07-08-2008, 09:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Jewish Rabbi

Not sure how much of a help Carp will be this year...He'll prolly just come out of the bullpen for the rest of the year, ala Matt Morris. That said, I'd love to see him get back in shape and starting by September.

Well it is wishfull thinking on Carpenter to be honest. They'll be lucky if he can start games by September that is for sure. We'll see.

**BigRedChief** · 07-09-2008, 06:10 AM

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Originally Posted by PGM

The Cards just won't go away. I keep waiting for them to come back to Earth, but as soon as they lose a series they bounce back. Once Albert gets on one of his super hot streaks the offense will pick up and the pitching will get thier "acquisitions" in getting Carpenter and Wainwright back.

Thats all fine and dandy as long as they don't trade away prospects for a short term solution. If its a long term solution? Thats okay. We have a log jam in the outfield. If we can clear that and get a player that will be with us for a while I say pull the trigger.

**BigRedChief** · 07-09-2008, 07:02 AM

MLB hasn't even asked Pujols to join the home run derby
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Seven-time All-Star Albert Pujols says nobody has asked him, but he's ready, willing and able to participate in next week's Home Run Derby at All-Star Game festivities at Yankee Stadium.Irritated by Major League Baseball's snub in the 2004 Derby following a strong showing in 2003, Pujols sounded as if he is past any bruised feelings or concern about doing damage to his swing.

"It doesn't bother me at all," he said. Pujols said Tuesday he is honored and looking forward to participating in the midsummer classic in the current Yankee Stadium's last season. Playing long ball Monday would only add to the experience."Last year, they (extended the invitation) when I was on the plane flying with Tony. It was pretty much an emergency," Pujols recalled of his flight to San Francisco with manager Tony La Russa as the Cardinals' only playing representative.

Pujols theorized an invitation to the Derby might again wait until the last minute while the commissioner's office waits to see whether New York Mets third baseman David Wright is voted onto the NL roster by fans.Pujols slipped from Busch Stadium after Sunday's 7-1 loss to the Chicago Cubs without addressing his selection by NL manager Clint Hurdle, but on Tuesday he underscored its meaning.

"With the level of competition, it's a great honor to go to the All-Star Game," said Pujols, yet to experience a National League win. "A lot of people say it gets old. To me, it doesn't get old. It's pretty much how you get paid for your offseason training. It's the reward for your first half. I take every one like my first one. I enjoy it. I try to do as much as I can."

StcChief · 07-09-2008, 07:10 AM

Rest Albert...HR Derby meh. We need 2nd half Albert ready, more than this BS. Just for once win the All-star game. The stupid rule it gives Homefield for WS is bad.... hopefully Selig will soon be gone and it can be re-addressed as viable solution to home field.

I'm for the old even/odd year approach.

Pasta Little Brioni · 07-09-2008, 09:16 AM

Predictions for Mulder's first start?? I'm expecting the worst to be honest, but we'll see.

Pasta Little Brioni · 07-09-2008, 09:19 AM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief

Thats all fine and dandy as long as they don't trade away prospects for a short term solution. If its a long term solution? Thats okay. We have a log jam in the outfield. If we can clear that and get a player that will be with us for a while I say pull the trigger.

Oh, I really don't want them to make any big trades anyway. I just meant getting Wainwright and Carpenter back can help just as much as the trades the scrubs and blowers made.

Frazod · 07-09-2008, 09:24 AM

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Originally Posted by PGM

Predictions for Mulder's first start?? I'm expecting the worst to be honest, but we'll see.

Against Philadelphia? I assume he'll get demolished (on national TV too

). IMO, it's a mistake to take him out of the bullpen. But hopefully he'll do OK.

StcChief · 07-09-2008, 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by PGM

Predictions for Mulder's first start?? I'm expecting the worst to be honest, but we'll see.

3 to 4 innings at most likely giving up 4 runs.

Will be watching with a Philly fan tonite ...

let the abuse begin.

but hope I'm wrong and Duncan/LaRussa think he's really ready for this.

**BigRedChief** · 07-09-2008, 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by StcChief

3 to 4 innings at most likely giving up 4 runs.

Will be watching with a Philly fan tonite ...

let the abuse begin.

but hope I'm wrong and Duncan/LaRussa think he's really ready for this.

I'm not very hopeful either. The dude springs his shoulder moving a suticase for crissakes. He has the money why torture yourself to get back unless you really really want it. I don't think he does anymore.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 07-09-2008, 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by frazod

Against Philadelphia? I assume he'll get demolished (on national TV too

). IMO, it's a mistake to take him out of the bullpen. But hopefully he'll do OK.

They should have waited to start him until the Pittsburgh series, and not on the road against a team who absolutely RAKES lefthanders.

Regardless - good, bad or average tonight, he's going to get a few more starts - how he does in THOSE is what I'm most interested in.

StcChief · 07-09-2008, 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

They should have waited to start him until the Pittsburgh series, and not on the road against a team who absolutely RAKES lefthanders.

Regardless - good, bad or average tonight, he's going to get a few more starts - how he does in THOSE is what I'm most interested in.

If he's not DONE, he's gotta be getting close...... My confidence is nill, not sure how his contract is structured maybe the Cards have to take the lumps let him out there if he doesn't work out well....

epitome1170 · 07-09-2008, 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by StcChief

If he's not DONE, he's gotta be getting close...... My confidence is nill, not sure how his contract is structured maybe the Cards have to take the lumps let him out there if he doesn't work out well....

It is hard to be optimistic with Mulder. I really do not see this fairing well tonight either.

As for his contract, I think the Cards have an option for him for next season, so, unless he pitches well the remainder of the season he will probably be gone.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 07-09-2008, 01:15 PM

Mulder's box score:

1.1 IP 7R 7ER 8H 3 BB 0K

47 Pitches

He can't throw over the top any more, so it's going to be hard for him to keep the ball down in the strike zone, which for a guy who can't make hitters swing and miss, is absolutely vital. He's going to define the word "pisspounded" tonight.

StcChief · 07-09-2008, 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Mulder's box score:

1.1 IP 7R 7ER 8H 3 BB 0K

47 Pitches

He can't throw over the top any more, so it's going to be hard for him to keep the ball down in the strike zone, which for a guy who can't make hitters swing and miss, is absolutely vital. He's going to define the word "pisspounded" tonight.

in relief 1.1 IP......
but I'm interested in how he's a Starter, if he get's pounded we will know he's really not ready, can't believe Cards would just throw him vs. Philly for the hell of it...

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BigRedChief Has a particular set of skills Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: On the water Casino cash: $-671038 VARSITY	MLB hasn't even asked Pujols to join the home run derby ------------------------------------------------------------------ Seven-time All-Star Albert Pujols says nobody has asked him, but he's ready, willing and able to participate in next week's Home Run Derby at All-Star Game festivities at Yankee Stadium.Irritated by Major League Baseball's snub in the 2004 Derby following a strong showing in 2003, Pujols sounded as if he is past any bruised feelings or concern about doing damage to his swing. "It doesn't bother me at all," he said. Pujols said Tuesday he is honored and looking forward to participating in the midsummer classic in the current Yankee Stadium's last season. Playing long ball Monday would only add to the experience."Last year, they (extended the invitation) when I was on the plane flying with Tony. It was pretty much an emergency," Pujols recalled of his flight to San Francisco with manager Tony La Russa as the Cardinals' only playing representative. Pujols theorized an invitation to the Derby might again wait until the last minute while the commissioner's office waits to see whether New York Mets third baseman David Wright is voted onto the NL roster by fans.Pujols slipped from Busch Stadium after Sunday's 7-1 loss to the Chicago Cubs without addressing his selection by NL manager Clint Hurdle, but on Tuesday he underscored its meaning. "With the level of competition, it's a great honor to go to the All-Star Game," said Pujols, yet to experience a National League win. "A lot of people say it gets old. To me, it doesn't get old. It's pretty much how you get paid for your offseason training. It's the reward for your first half. I take every one like my first one. I enjoy it. I try to do as much as I can." __________________ Mahomes is not a game manager. Release the Kraken.
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'Hamas' Jenkins Now you've pissed me off! Join Date: Jan 2006 Casino cash: $7209572	Mulder's box score: 1.1 IP 7R 7ER 8H 3 BB 0K 47 Pitches He can't throw over the top any more, so it's going to be hard for him to keep the ball down in the strike zone, which for a guy who can't make hitters swing and miss, is absolutely vital. He's going to define the word "pisspounded" tonight. __________________ "When the Know-Nothings get control, it will read 'all men are created equal, except negroes, and foreigners, and Catholics.' When it comes to this I should prefer emigrating to some country where they make no pretense of loving liberty – to Russia, for instance, where despotism can be taken pure, and without the base alloy of hypocrisy.”--Abraham Lincoln
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