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**BigRedChief** · 07-07-2008, 07:05 AM

Figured that if we had one thread to discuss Cardinals "stuff" it would be easier to find. What do you think? Good idea?

Frazod · 07-09-2008, 01:23 PM

I've made it clear over the years that I'm no Mulder fan, but in that last outing when he got shelled initially he did have a couple of bloops drop in and generally shitty luck. The problem was that it really seemed to get to him - mental toughness is as big of a concern as his surgically repaired parts.

Too bad we can't get Crash Davis to give him the old "don't think; it can only hurt the ballclub" speech.

epitome1170 · 07-09-2008, 01:34 PM

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in relief 1.1 IP......
but I'm interested in how he's a Starter, if he get's pounded we will know he's really not ready, can't believe Cards would just throw him vs. Philly for the hell of it...

They need to find out this year if he is going to be worth picking up his option next year or not. Might as well figure it out with a good team right away. They have taken their time getting him back and I am tired of waiting for him to come back. Might as well see what he has and if his new arm slot location is really going to make a difference.

StcChief · 07-09-2008, 01:35 PM

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They need to find out this year if he is going to be worth picking up his option next year or not. Might as well figure it out with a good team right away. They have taken their time getting him back and I am tired of waiting for him to come back. Might as well see what he has and if his new arm slot location is really going to make a difference.

yeah, they may be using this to determine if they are gonna make some moves by August.

epitome1170 · 07-09-2008, 01:39 PM

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yeah, they may be using this to determine if they are gonna make some moves by August.

I don't know if they will make any moves to begin with. They may make small ones, but I doubt they do anything drastic. And frankly I am ok with that, 2008 is not meant to be "our year" to begin with. I will take anything I can get at this point. Let's not trade away our farm system for a rental player.

**BigRedChief** · 07-09-2008, 01:41 PM

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I don't know if they will make any moves to begin with. They may make small ones, but I doubt they do anything drastic. And frankly I am ok with that, 2008 is not meant to be "our year" to begin with. I will take anything I can get at this point. Let's not trade away our farm system for a rental player.

yep lets not mortgage 2009 and 2010.

StcChief · 07-09-2008, 01:44 PM

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I don't know if they will make any moves to begin with. They may make small ones, but I doubt they do anything drastic. And frankly I am ok with that, 2008 is not meant to be "our year" to begin with. I will take anything I can get at this point. Let's not trade away our farm system for a rental player.

I agreed the farm report in this thread shows alot of encouragemet, still think C.Duncan could add a bat somewhere else and get us a Middleman etc.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 07-09-2008, 01:45 PM

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in relief 1.1 IP......
but I'm interested in how he's a Starter, if he get's pounded we will know he's really not ready, can't believe Cards would just throw him vs. Philly for the hell of it...

I'm projecting his line tonight.

StcChief · 07-09-2008, 01:46 PM

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I'm projecting his line tonight.

wow...
he's gettin' rocked. maybe I'll stay in avoid abuse.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 07-09-2008, 01:46 PM

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I agreed the farm report in this thread shows alot of encouragemet, still think C.Duncan could add a bat somewhere else and get us a Middleman etc.

No, he can't. He could have two years ago, but right now his only selling point is that he has a good eye. He can't hit LHP at all, regardless of year, and this year he hasn't been able to hit anything.

epitome1170 · 07-09-2008, 01:50 PM

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No, he can't. He could have two years ago, but right now his only selling point is that he has a good eye. He can't hit LHP at all, regardless of year, and this year he hasn't been able to hit anything.

True, but we may be able to pack him, Anthony Reyes, and Brenden Ryan for one decent talent (I am dreaming). All three of those guys are pretty well useless to our organization. Ryan may be the exception to that because he is better than Cesar, but I do not see him being an everyday player like I had hoped he would.

Frazod · 07-09-2008, 01:52 PM

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True, but we may be able to pack him, Anthony Reyes, and Brenden Ryan for one decent talent (I am dreaming). All three of those guys are pretty well useless to our organization. Ryan may be the exception to that because he is better than Cesar, but I do not see him being an everyday player like I had hoped he would.

Too bad Matt Millen only does football.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 07-09-2008, 01:58 PM

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True, but we may be able to pack him, Anthony Reyes, and Brenden Ryan for one decent talent (I am dreaming). All three of those guys are pretty well useless to our organization. Ryan may be the exception to that because he is better than Cesar, but I do not see him being an everyday player like I had hoped he would.

Ryan is barely replacement level, and Reyes has horrible mechanics that leave him very susceptible to injury. You aren't going to fetch anything for those guys, and sadly, they aren't even good enough to become type B free agents, so even if they left, you get no compensation for them in the draft.

**BigRedChief** · 07-09-2008, 02:00 PM

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True, but we may be able to pack him, Anthony Reyes, and Brenden Ryan for one decent talent (I am dreaming). All three of those guys are pretty well useless to our organization. Ryan may be the exception to that because he is better than Cesar, but I do not see him being an everyday player like I had hoped he would.

Not everyone is stupid but it only takes one GM

epitome1170 · 07-09-2008, 02:01 PM

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Ryan is barely replacement level, and Reyes has horrible mechanics that leave him very susceptible to injury. You aren't going to fetch anything for those guys, and sadly, they aren't even good enough to become type B free agents, so even if they left, you get no compensation for them in the draft.

Like I said... I am dreaming. It is too bad Dayton Moore came to KC otherwise we could have gotten something then.

I just know those three will do us no good. Ryan can maybe be a utility infielder, but besides that they need to go and try to get something for them.

**BigRedChief** · 07-09-2008, 02:02 PM

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Ryan is barely replacement level, and Reyes has horrible mechanics that leave him very susceptible to injury. You aren't going to fetch anything for those guys, and sadly, they aren't even good enough to become type B free agents, so even if they left, you get no compensation for them in the draft.

correct, we have many tradeable players that can help us be "real" contenders for a WS in 2009 or 2010 but not those guys. And I'd rather trade a 30 year old Ludwick than Maithers or Ramus to free up the outfield logjam.

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