Chiefs Croyle better have a good game in Miami - Page 11

Wile_E_Coyote · 07:30 PM

...because I see nothing

Wile_E_Coyote · 08-17-2008, 07:35 AM

We just want to be assured he has what it takes. I don't see that as being alarmist

milkman · 08-17-2008, 07:46 AM

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Originally Posted by KCJohnny

The diff being that DeBerg (well into a long career when he arrived here) and Grbac were able to carry the team on their backs when the situation demanded it.

When the Chiefs lost their #1 and #2 TBs in 2000, Grbac raised a mediocre passing O that had almost no run support to #5 in the NFL. He once threw for 383 yds for SF in relief of an injured Steve Young.

The fact is we have not seen anything in Croyle that suggests he could load the team on his shoulders and will them to a victory yet. The closest thing was the performance at Indy last year almost pulling the upset. Yet even in that game he did not throw for 200 yds.

This team will have a daunting rushing attack this year. However, as we have seen before, if there is no credible threat for the passing game to go over the top of crowded lines of scrimmage, our run game will be stuffed as teams dare us to beat them with play-action.

The other side of that coin is a legit #2 receiver who can take pressure off Bowe and spread the field. Darling has not been that guy (yet) and of all the young receivers I like Maurice Price the best - hands, speed, routes, blocking, attitude - all above average and he's very, very young. The legitimate threat of a WR who can run the fade, post and flag routes (especially on an audible/check-with-me) will be the difference between another season 14 ppg or an arena-football-league like 24+ ppg.

Once the season is in the tank (by Halloween), there may be a lot of drama in KC about the QB position. For my money, this team could win 7-9 games with Huard under center, which barring injuries to the first 2 QBs on the depth chart is not going to happen.

5-11 with a possible QB acquistion for 2009.

Jeff Kemp.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 08-17-2008, 08:40 AM

Jesus tapdancing Christ.

I can't even bring myself to read the thread - I'm 100% confident it is as reeruned as the title leads me to believe.

Someone needs to start the ****Official Brodie Croyle Overreaction/Chicken Little/Bitch and Moan Thread****

Then all this bullshit can rot in one place.

TEX · 08-17-2008, 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by JuicesFlowing

I actually agree with Claythan. I'm not hitting the panic button yet.

There's really no need to ever hit the "panic button" with Croyle. The Chiefs are a rebuilding team. If he improves with the team, in time they will be good. If he never makes it, it won't be that big of a deal. He's a 3rd rounder. Not much money is tied up. The Chiefs will just continue to build through the draft and improve. If a new QB is needed, the Chiefs will have good personnel in place and a better QB will enable the Chiefs to better make the "jump" to becoming a good team.

King_Chief_Fan · 08-17-2008, 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Bearcat

We don't need a superstar.

In Herm's perfect world, we need a quarterback that compliments the running game and doesn't make turnovers.

Look at Eli Manning and his career stats and tell me 1) he looked like a QB that could make it after his rookie season, and 2) how he won a SB last year.

comparing Croyle to Manning.

**Bearcat** · 08-17-2008, 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by KCJohnny

The diff being that DeBerg (well into a long career when he arrived here) and Grbac were able to carry the team on their backs when the situation demanded it.

When the Chiefs lost their #1 and #2 TBs in 2000, Grbac raised a mediocre passing O that had almost no run support to #5 in the NFL. As a very young player, he once threw for 383 yds for SF in relief of an injured Steve Young.

The fact is we have not seen anything in Croyle that suggests he could load the team on his shoulders and will them to a victory yet. The closest thing was the performance at Indy last year almost pulling the upset. Yet even in that game he did not throw for 200 yds.

This team will have a daunting rushing attack this year. However, as we have seen before, if there is no credible threat for the passing game to go over the top of crowded lines of scrimmage, our run game will be stuffed as teams dare us to beat them with play-action.

The other side of that coin is a legit #2 receiver who can take pressure off Bowe and spread the field. Darling has not been that guy (yet) and of all the young receivers I like Maurice Price the best - hands, speed, routes, blocking, attitude - all above average and he's very, very young. The legitimate threat of a WR who can run the fade, post and flag routes (especially on an audible/check-with-me) will be the difference between another season 14 ppg or an arena-football-league like 24+ ppg.

Once the season is in the tank (by Halloween), there may be a lot of drama in KC about the QB position. For my money, this team could win 7-9 games with Huard under center, which barring injuries to the first 2 QBs on the depth chart is not going to happen.

5-11 with a possible QB acquistion for 2009.

The hilarious part of this is that I read the Talking Can's post before this one.

Did you just compare the mid-90s 49ers and their QB situation with the 2007 Chiefs "offense"? By 2000, he had been in the leage 7 years, so that's not relevant at the moment.

The 'closes thing' that you mention was Brodie putting the team on his shoulders.... it was Herm/Solari that shut down the offense after that drive to prevent victory. Maybe he didn't have the yards, but how many 2nd year quarterbacks could get 383 yards of passing offense with no offensive line and no rushing game?

I refer you to the great Talking Can...

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Originally Posted by the Talking Can

Whitlock, like most Chiefs fans,is a closet True Fan who only understands competant mediocrity....the risks, pain, and possible failure involved in rebuilding and developing don't make any sense, and in the end aren't tolerable....

he, and they, want to "develop" a QB without actually living through the "development" part...they all want a steep, straight line up the graph....and they want it to happen in 1 quarter of one preseason game and be finished

the reality that a QB will look good, then bad, then good, then terrible, then average, then bad, then great, is waaaay too painful and real....

they would all rather be 7-9 with Huard playing...because at least they can process Huard's benign, pointless, mediocrity...

Croyle is going to have bad games, and throw ints, and do dumb things this year...frequently...and this board will have the same petulant meltdown each time, with the same Steve Bono-loving True Fans leading the way...

we haven't played a single game this year and people have thrown in the towel on developing a QB...think about that...

we'll have plenty of evidence at the end of the year to judge Croyle with....he will show marked improvement, or he won't...it won't be hard to see in aggregate....

until then, though, the pants wetters and Whitlock will have field day...

**SAUTO** · 08-17-2008, 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by the Talking Can

yup

we haven't even played one game yet and already the children are crying....

thats right, you are

**SAUTO** · 08-17-2008, 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Bearcat

It seems 50/50 these days... the Peyton Manning and Tom Brady have rings, and Rex Grossman, Trent Dilfer, and Eli Manning have rings.... and guys in between like Roethlisberger, Hasselback, and Delhomme have at least made it there.

I agree with keg, we don't need what some people here are looking for. If Herm has his way, we won't even need someone as good as Eli Manning, and he's not all that good.

didnt big ben win one also?

**Bearcat** · 08-17-2008, 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by King_Chief_Fan

comparing Croyle to Manning.

How dare me... they're SO far apart.

Did you see the Vikings/Giants highlights last year? 4 INTs and several stupid decisions against the worst pass defense in the league. If Croyle has a game like that this year, this place would implode, much less his 4th year in the league.

If it cracks you up so much, again, tell me 1) he looked like a QB that could make it after his rookie season, and 2) how he won a SB last year.

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Originally Posted by Bearcat

He's thrown more interceptions each year while not increasing TDs. He threw for under 200 yards in their first two playoff games and did much more to 'not screw it up' than win those 4 games.

Two rookie seasons as a starter...

9 games, 48% completion percentage, 1043 yards, 6 TDs, 9 INTs, 55.4 rating
9 games, 56% completion percentage, 1227 yards, 6 TDs, 6 INTs, 69.9 rating

One is Croyle and one is Eli.

Coach · 08-17-2008, 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

That's a mixture.....you have to know when it's time to move on aswell. You don't wanna be here 4 years later going "well Brodie Croyle needs more time"

Jesus Tap Dancing Christ. How many games are you willing to give him? He only played SIX games last year. It's not like he's been on the team for six years!

Goddammit, I'm getting tired of people who wants a washed-up QB becuase of the fact that they are goddamn scared of wanting to go through a QB developmental phase, while at the same time, they are okay with the other positions (Linemen, WR's, CB's, etc)going through the same thing. What the f**k? You can't have it both ways, people.

So why is it not fair for Croyle to at least be given a year to at least try to develop ALONG with the other players such as Albert, Franklin, Dorsey, etc? You tell me that.

It's bullshit.

**Bearcat** · 08-17-2008, 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO

didnt big ben win one also?

Yes, I edited wrong.... but my point was there are a handful of superstar QBs that have at least made it to the SB, and a handful of less-than-mediocre QBs that have done the same.

The person I was talking to was talking about wanting a Peyton Manning or Tom Brady, and my point was that you can't look at the list of SB QBs over the past several years and say you need one of those guys to win a conference championship or SB.

Hell, in Herm's perfect world, we would have a defense like Chicago's back when they went to the SB, so we wouldn't need a top 10 QB... and look at who they had at QB.

Coach · 08-17-2008, 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by PastorMikH

Really, compare the stat lines between Eli and Brodie on their first year starting then....

Brodie -
W/L 0-6 :
Passing 127/224 for 56.7% completions for 1227 yards
TD/INT - 6/6
QB Rating - 69.9

Eli -

W/L - 1/6
Passing - 95/197 for 48.2% completions for 1043 yards
TD/INT 6/9
QB Rating - 55.4

How could anyone want Eli but not be willing to at least give Brodie a chance when Brodie was better in every catagory except for 1 win is beyond me.

"Becuase he haven't won a f**king meaningful game" - Your normal typical so-called "TRUE FAN"

I'll tell you this. Judging a QB by W-L's is overrated. Period.

**Bearcat** · 08-17-2008, 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Coach

Jesus Tap Dancing Christ. How many games are you willing to give him? He only played SIX games last year. It's not like he's been on the team for six years!

Goddammit, I'm getting tired of people who wants a washed-up QB becuase of the fact that they are goddamn scared of wanting to go through a QB developmental phase, while at the same time, they are okay with the other positions (Linemen, WR's, CB's, etc). What the f**k? You can't have it both ways, people.

So why is it not fair for Croyle to at least be given a year to at least try to develop ALONG with the other players such as Albert, Franklin, Dorsey, etc? You tell me that.

It's bullshit.

Heh... that's a good way to put it.... "We know the O-Line that Croyle relies on isn't that good, and that's okay, it'll get better. We know the receivers he throws to are young, and again, they'll get better. And we know the running game that compliments Croyle's passing game was sh*t last year, in part due to the aforementioned O-Line problems, but we're expecting good things from LJ this year.

...

WTF is wrong with Croyle?!?!?"

Chiefnj2 · 08-17-2008, 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by PastorMikH

Really, compare the stat lines between Eli and Brodie on their first year starting then....

Brodie -
W/L 0-6 :
Passing 127/224 for 56.7% completions for 1227 yards
TD/INT - 6/6
QB Rating - 69.9

Eli -

W/L - 1/6
Passing - 95/197 for 48.2% completions for 1043 yards
TD/INT 6/9
QB Rating - 55.4

How could anyone want Eli but not be willing to at least give Brodie a chance when Brodie was better in every catagory except for 1 win is beyond me.

Eli didn't have the benefit of holding a clipboard one year while learning the speed of the pro game. Croyle should be ahead of him on the learning curve.

If everyone wants to hold Croyle to the Eli standard then fine, he should play in all 16 games this year and finish with 3,700+ yards, 24 TD's, 17 INTs and a 6.8 yard average.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 08-17-2008, 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Coach

"Becuase he haven't won a f**king meaningful game" - Your normal typical so-called "TRUE FAN"

I'll tell you this. Judging a QB by W-L's is overrated. Period.

I'm calling it now.

The W/L thing will end up being one of the great double standards of the season.

People are on Croyle's back now, because he's never won a game.

I guarantee, that when the wins DO start coming, these same people will say that the team is winning IN SPITE of Croyle.

Croyle is in a lose-lose situation with some people - and it's painfully obvious that the majority of this fanbase doesn't have the patience to develop a young QB.

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