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**BigRedChief** · 07-07-2008, 07:05 AM

Figured that if we had one thread to discuss Cardinals "stuff" it would be easier to find. What do you think? Good idea?

'Hamas' Jenkins · 08-18-2008, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief

No way we give up Anderson or Ramus for him. His contract and no trade clause and potential FA status and his current pitching abilities doesn't make him a top FA.

But that being said pitching is pretty hard to come by and he's done it in the past. You think he would make it through waivers?

If so I think Duncan could probably get him back to being a top shelf pitcher in MLB.

There is absolutely no chance of Burnett making it through waivers unclaimed, and any AL team can get a claim in (and thus negotiate with Toronto) before us.

It's a pipe dream.

You'd have to be a moron to give up anything more than an A level prospect for 6 weeks of AJ Burnett.

**BigRedChief** · 08-18-2008, 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by StcChief

We need to SWEEP those series with BrewCrew and Cubbies..... and be on a hot streak to have a chance at Playoffs.

We wern't exactly "hot" going into the playoffs in 2006.....

Pasta Little Brioni · 08-18-2008, 09:20 PM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief

We wern't exactly "hot" going into the playoffs in 2006.....

No kidding. That was one of the most unlikely of teams all time to come out and win the world series.

smittysbar · 08-18-2008, 09:55 PM

CC was lights out tonight

smittysbar · 08-18-2008, 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by StcChief

if the deal was right..... welcome AJ to baseball Heaven.

I agree, but the deal has to be right

**BigRedChief** · 08-19-2008, 06:27 AM

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Originally Posted by smittysbar

CC was lights out tonight

We still have some hope. If we make the wild card we won't have to face him anyway. The Bucks play 6 out of their last 12 games against the Cubs.

If we make it to the playoffs and Carp is back up to speed by then we could be looking at...........

Wainright/Carp/Lohse/Looper as starters and Wellemeyer/Pinero/Garcia/Todd and Perez out of the bullpen. That'll match up with the big boys.

**BigRedChief** · 08-19-2008, 06:53 AM

The minor-league regular seasons are storming toward an end and that can only mean one thing — the beginning of work on the 2009 Baseball America Prospect Handbook. The assignment popped up in my inbox within the past couple weeks, and the best way to start working on next year’s guide is to take a look at last year’s.

That’s what I intend to do over the course of a couple blog entries — first we revisit the Cardinals’ Top 30, then we’ll revise it.

In flipping through a well-used copy of 2008 Baseball America’s Prospect Handbook, I was pleased to see that the Top 30 held up well after nearly a season of play. Sure, there are some regrets: Daryl Jones’ ejection from the Top 30 was premature, obviously, and David Freese was acquired too late after the deadline to be added. But there is also the fact that eight of the 30 have played in the majors this season — and the possibility exists that 10 will (see: Jason Motte).

I also was thrilled to see these two savvy predictions and telling entries:

Top 2008 Rookie: Chris Perez, rhp. The heir apparent to Jason Isringhausen will have a chance to spend some time as the late-inning apprentice to the Cardinals’ closer.

Breakout Prospect: Kyle McClellan, rhp. After putting two elbow surgeries behind him and moving to the bullpen, he quietly posted a 1.81 ERA last season and could sneak into the big league bullpen this year.
Not too shabby for calls made back in November 2007.

The rules regarding eligibility for the BA Top 30 is simple, and surprisingly will allow many of the pitchers who have appeared this season to remain in next year’s list (i.e., Perez). The thresholds for position players is 130 at-bats or fewer; for pitchers it’s 50 innings or less. Keep that in mind as you peruse the top 30 for whose stock is up, whose stock is down and who should be included now.

The list as it was, the highest level each player reached and a teeny skinny:
1. Colby Rasmus, OF … AAA … Slowed by sluggish start, now knee injury.
2. Chris Perez, RHP … MLB … Still, surprisingly, eligible, so likely to stay put.
3. Bryan Anderson, C … AAA … A .300-hitter, primo position, primo trade chip.
4. Brian Barton, OF … MLB … Not going to be eligible. (130 AB)
5. Jaime Garcia, LHP … MLB … Still eligible, and will get shot at rotation in ‘09.
6. Adam Ottavino, RHP … AA … A 2-7, 5.34 summer. Gripped by inconsistency.
7. Pete Kozma, SS … High-A … Superb defensive player, earned quick promotion.
8. Clayton Mortensen, RHP … AAA … Quick-climber with devilish sinker.
9. Mitchell Boggs, RHP … MLB … Made strong impression in big-league starts.
10. Tyler Herron, RHP … High-A … Young righty bounced between AA and High-A.
11. Jon Jay, OF … AAA … May be best average hitter around, .345 early in AAA.
12. Jess Todd, RHP … AAA … The unchallenged breakout player of the summer.
13. Joe Mather, OF … MLB … Not going to be eligible. (130 AB)
14. Kenny Maiques, RHP … Low-A … Control issues. A demotion. Stepped back.
15. Allen Craig, 3B … AA … Impressive production from player in prospect vice.
16. P.J. Walters, RHP … AAA … Reigning pitcher of year handling Triple-A.
17. Jose Martinez, INF … AA … Low average, but more of the same in the field.
18. Brad Furnish, LHP … AA … Recently promoted, despite seesaw performance.
19. Kyle McClellan, RHP … MLB … Will not be eligible. (50 ip) See above.
20. Blake Hawksworth, RHP … AAA … Flashes of brilliance no longer enough.
21. Jarrett Hoffpauir, 2B … AAA … On utility track; hit .301 before break.
22. Mark Worrell, RHP … MLB … Quirky delivery projects for specialist role.
23. Mike Parisi, RHP … MLB … Elbow injury halted statement-making season.
24. Jason Motte, RHP … AAA … Refining second pitch; one is enough to rank higher.
25. Mark McCormick, RHP … AA … Durability issues; falling 40 ip short of 100.
26. Blake King, RHP … High-A … Proven particularly adept at K’ing righties.
27. Mark Hamilton, 1B … AA … His position is hitter — alas, .241 BA, 19 XB hits.
28. Luke Gregerson, RHP … AA … Intriguing reliever could get boost in winter ball.
29. Tyler Greene, SS … AAA … Back on track? Greene gets healthy, gets moving.
30. Luis de la Cruz, C … Low-A … Edged Daryl Jones. Won’t do that again.
There are a lot of fixes I can see immediately, not the least of which is finding a spot in the top five for newcomer Brett Wallace, the Cardinals’ first-round pick in June. Motte, no longer a novelty for switching positions, is going to soar into the top half, and so too could Greene. Ryde Rodriguez is another candidate to crack the list, and that shortstop in the GCL — read about Yunier Castillo back over here – could make for an interesting No. 30 entry.

Last winter, many of you engaged in the first Cards Talk Community Top 30 (an experiment recounted with its result here). We will do that again this winter. Think of this as the dress rehearsal. In the coming days, I’d like to revise the 2008 Top 30. That means adding in the draft picks — Lance Lynn, anyone? — but also reshuffling the prospects based on 2008 performance. Up goes Daryl Jones. Down goes … well, you get the idea. Consider who the 2009 Top Rookie will be (Perez, again?) and who could be the leading candidate for the Breakout Rookie (Todd, perchance?).
State your suggestions, your rankings and your arguments below, and that will help recast the Top 30 to reflect the season coming to a close. The floor is now open.

**BigRedChief** · 08-19-2008, 07:05 AM

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Originally Posted by PGM

No kidding. That was one of the most unlikely of teams all time to come out and win the world series.

since three-division play came into being for the 1995 postseason, only one team with the undisputed best record in the majors, the 1998 New York Yankees (114 victories), has won the World Series.

**BigRedChief** · 08-19-2008, 10:00 AM

Of the Cardinals’ remaining 35 games, 21 will be at home. Twenty-one of the games will be against teams with winning records: Milwaukee (two), Houston (three), Florida (three), Chicago (six) and Arizona (seven).

smittysbar · 08-19-2008, 08:45 PM

1-0 game Albert comes up in the 8th with one on, about jacks it out.

9th we load the bases, no outs. Molina makes error at the plate, can't turn the double play and doesn't get the man out at home. grrrrr

smittysbar · 08-19-2008, 08:46 PM

Oh and now a walk, 1 more run. 3-0 in the 9th no outs after 20 pitches in this inning

shaneo69 · 08-19-2008, 08:47 PM

Ian freakin' Snell

StcChief · 08-19-2008, 08:49 PM

what is it with Pirates... do we just play down.

smittysbar · 08-19-2008, 08:49 PM

I said **** it, and switch to Highway 18, on the Golf Channel

Pasta Little Brioni · 08-19-2008, 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief

since three-division play came into being for the 1995 postseason, only one team with the undisputed best record in the majors, the 1998 New York Yankees (114 victories), has won the World Series.

But how many of those teams won one with a POS like Jeff Weaver pitching out of his mind

Just plain wierd, but I'll take it.

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BigRedChief Has a particular set of skills Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: On the water Casino cash: $-661038 VARSITY	The minor-league regular seasons are storming toward an end and that can only mean one thing — the beginning of work on the 2009 Baseball America Prospect Handbook. The assignment popped up in my inbox within the past couple weeks, and the best way to start working on next year’s guide is to take a look at last year’s. That’s what I intend to do over the course of a couple blog entries — first we revisit the Cardinals’ Top 30, then we’ll revise it. In flipping through a well-used copy of 2008 Baseball America’s Prospect Handbook, I was pleased to see that the Top 30 held up well after nearly a season of play. Sure, there are some regrets: Daryl Jones’ ejection from the Top 30 was premature, obviously, and David Freese was acquired too late after the deadline to be added. But there is also the fact that eight of the 30 have played in the majors this season — and the possibility exists that 10 will (see: Jason Motte). I also was thrilled to see these two savvy predictions and telling entries: Top 2008 Rookie: Chris Perez, rhp. The heir apparent to Jason Isringhausen will have a chance to spend some time as the late-inning apprentice to the Cardinals’ closer. Breakout Prospect: Kyle McClellan, rhp. After putting two elbow surgeries behind him and moving to the bullpen, he quietly posted a 1.81 ERA last season and could sneak into the big league bullpen this year. Not too shabby for calls made back in November 2007. The rules regarding eligibility for the BA Top 30 is simple, and surprisingly will allow many of the pitchers who have appeared this season to remain in next year’s list (i.e., Perez). The thresholds for position players is 130 at-bats or fewer; for pitchers it’s 50 innings or less. Keep that in mind as you peruse the top 30 for whose stock is up, whose stock is down and who should be included now. The list as it was, the highest level each player reached and a teeny skinny: 1. Colby Rasmus, OF … AAA … Slowed by sluggish start, now knee injury. 2. Chris Perez, RHP … MLB … Still, surprisingly, eligible, so likely to stay put. 3. Bryan Anderson, C … AAA … A .300-hitter, primo position, primo trade chip. 4. Brian Barton, OF … MLB … Not going to be eligible. (130 AB) 5. Jaime Garcia, LHP … MLB … Still eligible, and will get shot at rotation in ‘09. 6. Adam Ottavino, RHP … AA … A 2-7, 5.34 summer. Gripped by inconsistency. 7. Pete Kozma, SS … High-A … Superb defensive player, earned quick promotion. 8. Clayton Mortensen, RHP … AAA … Quick-climber with devilish sinker. 9. Mitchell Boggs, RHP … MLB … Made strong impression in big-league starts. 10. Tyler Herron, RHP … High-A … Young righty bounced between AA and High-A. 11. Jon Jay, OF … AAA … May be best average hitter around, .345 early in AAA. 12. Jess Todd, RHP … AAA … The unchallenged breakout player of the summer. 13. Joe Mather, OF … MLB … Not going to be eligible. (130 AB) 14. Kenny Maiques, RHP … Low-A … Control issues. A demotion. Stepped back. 15. Allen Craig, 3B … AA … Impressive production from player in prospect vice. 16. P.J. Walters, RHP … AAA … Reigning pitcher of year handling Triple-A. 17. Jose Martinez, INF … AA … Low average, but more of the same in the field. 18. Brad Furnish, LHP … AA … Recently promoted, despite seesaw performance. 19. Kyle McClellan, RHP … MLB … Will not be eligible. (50 ip) See above. 20. Blake Hawksworth, RHP … AAA … Flashes of brilliance no longer enough. 21. Jarrett Hoffpauir, 2B … AAA … On utility track; hit .301 before break. 22. Mark Worrell, RHP … MLB … Quirky delivery projects for specialist role. 23. Mike Parisi, RHP … MLB … Elbow injury halted statement-making season. 24. Jason Motte, RHP … AAA … Refining second pitch; one is enough to rank higher. 25. Mark McCormick, RHP … AA … Durability issues; falling 40 ip short of 100. 26. Blake King, RHP … High-A … Proven particularly adept at K’ing righties. 27. Mark Hamilton, 1B … AA … His position is hitter — alas, .241 BA, 19 XB hits. 28. Luke Gregerson, RHP … AA … Intriguing reliever could get boost in winter ball. 29. Tyler Greene, SS … AAA … Back on track? Greene gets healthy, gets moving. 30. Luis de la Cruz, C … Low-A … Edged Daryl Jones. Won’t do that again. There are a lot of fixes I can see immediately, not the least of which is finding a spot in the top five for newcomer Brett Wallace, the Cardinals’ first-round pick in June. Motte, no longer a novelty for switching positions, is going to soar into the top half, and so too could Greene. Ryde Rodriguez is another candidate to crack the list, and that shortstop in the GCL — read about Yunier Castillo back over here – could make for an interesting No. 30 entry. Last winter, many of you engaged in the first Cards Talk Community Top 30 (an experiment recounted with its result here). We will do that again this winter. Think of this as the dress rehearsal. In the coming days, I’d like to revise the 2008 Top 30. That means adding in the draft picks — Lance Lynn, anyone? — but also reshuffling the prospects based on 2008 performance. Up goes Daryl Jones. Down goes … well, you get the idea. Consider who the 2009 Top Rookie will be (Perez, again?) and who could be the leading candidate for the Breakout Rookie (Todd, perchance?). State your suggestions, your rankings and your arguments below, and that will help recast the Top 30 to reflect the season coming to a close. The floor is now open. __________________ Mahomes is not a game manager. Release the Kraken.
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