Chiefs Gretz: Chiefs LBs suck - Page 4

**RealSNR** · 08-21-2008, 01:29 PM

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If there was one position where the Chiefs may be active on the waiver wire the day after the final NFL cutdown, it will be at linebacker. In his first two seasons with the Chiefs, Herm Edwards has kept seven linebackers. Right now it’s tough to find seven backers who have performed well enough in this pre-season to deserve a roster spot.

Count on Derrick Johnson, Demorrio Williams and Pat Thomas to be there as the Chiefs starters. Williams will not play over the rest of the pre-season because of a broken bone in his hand, but the Chiefs expect him to be ready to play in the season opener.

Also count in veteran Donnie Edwards who continues to rehab his hamstring pull and should be back on the practice field next week.

That’s four; it’s a struggle to find two or three more. Among the remaining LBs, rookie Wes Dacus has the best shot at making the final 53. He’s running fifth now, moving up to the starting group in Wednesday’s practice when Williams could not go with a finger injury. Dacus may get the start this Saturday against Miami.

Oliver Hoyte, LeRue Rumph and Steve Octavien have not been consistent enough in the pre-season to warrant a spot on the final roster. Rumph and/or Octavien could end up on the practice squad. E.J. Kuale has performed primarily in the kicking game.

And that leaves veteran Napoleon Harris. This will be an interesting call for the decision makers. Harris was a disappointment last year and he lost his starting job at middle linebacker early in training camp. Since then he’s been battling a knee injury. He would provide an experienced backup, but he would not be much help on special teams and the backup linebackers have to contribute in the kicking game. If he were not an unrestricted free agent signed last year, there’s no way he would make the team.

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If we were all about a youth movement, shouldn't we have gone out and got some young, talented, but inexperienced guys instead of signing turds leftover from the draft?

Mr. Laz · 08-21-2008, 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by SNR

Okay, geniouses out there who know what the problem is. Tell me what we do RIGHT NOW to fix the situation.

We've got unplayable LBs backing up a starting unit that contains one pretty decent player and two other "meh".

What do we do?

too late

a team has to identify it's problems BEFORE FA/Draft not before the 3rd preseason game.

it's the difference between good organizations and crappy ones.

**SAUTO** · 08-21-2008, 05:37 PM

but did anyone really see this coming? if you say yes prove it that you felt that way prior to the draft

Mecca · 08-21-2008, 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

Waivers and practice squad designees.

I thought a famous person once said that you don't take LB's in the first round because they are so easy to find in the middle rounds.

I did say that, and I believe it, but you need to take into account this team hasn't been drafting LB's AT ALL, this team is full of old FA's and undrafted guys.

Mr. Laz · 08-21-2008, 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO

but did anyone really see this coming? if you say yes prove it that you felt that way prior to the draft

what do you mean did anyone see this coming?

we were going into this offseason with 1 proven linebacker and a stopgap old guy

Derrick Johnson
Donnie Edwards

we were rebuilding so Donnie Edwards couldn't fit into the plans.

Demorrio Williams was their answer???

that's like firing a .22 caliber at an oncoming tank and hoping your hit something lucky.

there are some positions where the Chiefs threw up the white flag this off season ... linebacker is one of them.

**SAUTO** · 08-21-2008, 05:50 PM

but all the so called experts had lb as one of our biggest strengths all had over 100 tackles last year

beach tribe · 08-21-2008, 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO

but all the so called experts had lb as one of our biddest strengths all had over 100 tackles last year

That's because no one was getting stops on the front.

I think we're gonna target LBs next off season.

We're gonna have good pick positions, and TON of money to throw around.

TEX · 08-21-2008, 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Laz

too late

a team has to identify it's problems BEFORE FA/Draft not before the 3rd preseason game.

it's the difference between good organizations and crappy ones.

I understand where you're coming from here. IMO, they did indeed just wave the whie flag at the LB core this offseason. Too much in need to fix...

milkman · 08-21-2008, 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

I did say that, and I believe it, but you need to take into account this team hasn't been drafting LB's AT ALL, this team is full of old FA's and undrafted guys.

You and I are usually on the same page, but as you already know, we are nowhere near the same page when it comes to when you draft a LB.

I believe if you have the opportunity to draft the guy that's going to man the middle, and be the leader of the defense in the top 10, you take.

Even on the outside if there's a guy there that you believe can be a difference maker you have to take him.

I'm pretty sure that #4 overall wasn't wasted back in '89.

milkman · 08-21-2008, 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Laz

too late

a team has to identify it's problems BEFORE FA/Draft not before the 3rd preseason game.

it's the difference between good organizations and crappy ones.

Agreed.

However, our biggest problem was that we had problems everywhere, so there was no way in hell we were going to address them all.

OK, I take that back.

Our biggest problem was, and still is Carl, who, of course, is responsible for all these other problems.

beach tribe · 08-21-2008, 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman

You and I are usually on the same page, but as you already know, we are nowhere near the same page when it comes to when you draft a LB.

I believe if you have the opportunity to draft the guy that's going to man the middle, and be the leader of the defense in the top 10, you take.

Even on the outside if there's a guy there that you believe can be a difference maker you have to take him.

I'm pretty sure that #4 overall wasn't wasted back in '89.

I agree. Yeah you might be able to get a lot of serviceable LBs later, but a game changing LB is the leader, and sets the tone for the defense.

He's the guy who's going to be making the most tackles on your football team. Put a mid round guy in Urlacher's spot, the Bears never go to the bowl.
Same with Ray Ray, and others.

**Smed1065** · 08-21-2008, 07:35 PM

Seems not long ago, everyone thought LB was one of our strongest possibilities?

Maybe its just my age.

milkman · 08-21-2008, 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

I think Donnie is only being considered a backup at this time because of his injury. I would think that once he's fully healthy, he'd play over Williams.

Regardless, can't argue one bit about the bolded line.

I think Donnie is all but done.

He's old, and he can no longer stay on the field.
His one strength, speed. is neutralized by his hammy issues.

He was never as good otherwise as most Chiefs fans think he was.

milkman · 08-21-2008, 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by beach tribe

I agree. Yeah you might be able to get a lot of serviceable LBs later, but a game changing LB is the leader, and sets the tone for the defense.

He's the guy who's going to be making the most tackles on your football team. Put a mid round guy in Urlacher's spot, the Bears never go to the bowl.
Same with Ray Ray, and others.

mecca doesn't believe that you pass on LBs altogether in the first round, and Lewis was taken somewhere around 25, 26 overall.

He just believes that top 10 overall should not be used on LB.

beach tribe · 08-21-2008, 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman

mecca doesn't believe that you pass on LBs altogether in the first round, and Lewis was taken somewhere around 25, 26 overall.

He just believes that top 10 overall should not be used on LB.

I think it all depends on the caliber of LB, or any other position for that matter.

Chiefnj2 · 08-21-2008, 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman

mecca doesn't believe that you pass on LBs altogether in the first round, and Lewis was taken somewhere around 25, 26 overall.

He just believes that top 10 overall should not be used on LB.

See post #48.

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