Chiefs Worst Coach in Football? - Page 2

DT58HOF · 09-03-2008, 01:39 PM

it is Herm's fault that he is a dumbass!!

mikey23545 · 09-03-2008, 01:40 PM

This is a breathtakingly reeruned article, and sure enough all the resident droolers have started to show up to clap and stomp their open-mouthed approval.

Nightfyre · 09-03-2008, 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by mikey23545

This is a breathtakingly reeruned article, and sure enough all the resident droolers have started to show up to clap and stomp their open-mouthed approval.

This.

Stinger · 09-03-2008, 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Reaper16

It's Herm's fault that players get older. Herm Edwards is the reason that people age.

Haven't you heard Herm is teh Debil

Reerun_KC · 09-03-2008, 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by DT58HOF

it is Herm's fault that he is a dumbass!!

Thread closed!

CoMoChief · 09-03-2008, 01:51 PM

There were many events that caused us to fail miserably on offense. Herm is not at fault entirely, but he gets his fare share of blame and is looked at mostly because he's the HC and is responsible for how the Chiefs perform.

Reasons why our offense sucks....

1. Roaf/Shields retired. this is the most important as LT is the most important position on offense outside the QB, we all saw in 2004 when Roaf went down, how bad our offense looked against a horrible BUF team. Without Roaf and Shields for that matter, the offense did nothing. Trent Green wasn't anything special. He didnt have a strong arm, he was old, and wasn't athletic, and held onto the ball a long time, longer than most QB's. But that was all fine and dandy when you have a probowl line protecting you providing you with 8 seconds of protection to get rid of it. ANY decent QB would flourish behind that Oline. Look at what Tom Brady did last season before the SB, NO ONE touched him, that oline was the best Oline at pass blocking in the league and it wasn't even close. Indy can be in that same category too. Peyton Manning and Tom Brady are only as good as the protection their Oline gives them. They arent athletic enough the scramble outside the pocket etc. Our WR's have always been crap outside TonyG, but eventually a WR will get open if he gets 8 or so seconds to get rid of the ball. The Oline from 2002-2005 made those offenses click....PERIOD.

2. Change of philosophy. Even though the Chiefs were in tops of the NFL in time of possesion. Herm wanted to run the ball even more to control the clock.....even more so than we already did. AS and DV willing to throw the ball down field. Herm wants more of a short west coast offense with dump offs and moving the chains offense. Herm has NO desire to EVER go for the Homerun, which is why I think he will always fail as a coach and will NEVER win the big game. This article has a great point. After Herm is done with the Chiefs, I don't think there is one team in the NFL that would pick him again as a HC. I also don't think he will go back to coordinating or scouting either.

3. Playing a rookie QB during a youth movement. Not only we are playing with a rookie QB for the most part, other primart positions on offense are also rookies and are also learning on the job as the season goes on. There are gonna be ups and downs and thats all part of the game. The only problem is when we play decent to good teams, we are gonna get our asses kicked in more ways people could ever imagine, which destroys any confidence this team ever had on offense.

4. Lack of ST. Ever since Herm got here and DV and his staff left our return game has been the laughing stock of the NFL. If there is one thing DV knew and was very good at was breaking down ST portion of the game. He was the first ST coach in the NFL btw FWIW. We had ST allstars during his time here. Trading away Dante Hall was a big mistake. He was good at making people miss and was always good for a few returns a year. Hopefully Savage changes that and what we have witnessed since Herm has been here.

5. Carl Peterson, shit for anything he's just been here way too damn long and should have left when Marty left.

Theres a fine line between good and bad coaches.

Good coaches you know that no matter what, your team will always be in the game or have a chance at winning it.

Bad coaches you know when you play some teams you have zero chance in winning, which is what I feel with Herm Edwards and have never thought while DV, Gun, or Marty were HC. (Carl's tenure)

**Reaper16** · 09-03-2008, 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by CoMoChief

Trading away Dante Hall was a big mistake. He was good at making people miss and was always good for a few returns a year.

This is really, really incorrect. Dante was terrible in his last season as a Chief.

CoMoChief · 09-03-2008, 02:06 PM

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This is really, really incorrect. Dante was terrible in his last season as a Chief.

The ST blocking was HORRIBLE in Herm's first season. Dante still took one to the house and almost had another one.

But hey we are in MUCH better shape now starting from damn near the ****in 20yd line everytime someone kicks off to us.

Pablo · 09-03-2008, 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by CoMoChief

The ST blocking was HORRIBLE in Herm's first season. Dante still took one to the house and almost had another one.

But hey we are in MUCH better shape now starting from damn near the ****in 20yd line everytime someone kicks off to us.

Dante wasn't all that valuable to this team anyhow. Sure, he might have took one to the house, but more than likely he was just going to get us to the 35-40 maybe, so we could march down field to their 40 if we were lucky and set up for a 55+ yard FG.

The real fucking travesty for our KR's is keeping Sams for anything.

Chiefnj2 · 09-03-2008, 02:17 PM

Vermeil was able to do fairly well in 2001 (5th in yards and 16th in scoring) with Tait (a RT more than a LT), Waters in what I believe was his first year starting after being converted from a TE, Weigman, Shields and a combo of Spear/Riley at RT.

Other than Shields I don't recall any of the other OL being considered all that great at the time. A decent offensive coach was able to make chicken salad out of a questionable lineup.

FAX · 09-03-2008, 02:18 PM

I have to admit that I was (and remain, somewhat) incensed over Herm's blatant lie in his first press conference that he wasn't going to change the offense. But, that's all in the past and I'm pretty much over it now just like Herm said I should be.

The retirement of Roaf, the injury to Trent, and the hiring of Solari sent us into a tailspin. The only part of that which can be directly attributed to Herm, however, is the Solari pick. But, the organization should have had the foresight and ability to develop a lineman or two who could serve as reasonable replacements for our big Willies. Not only did they not do that, they brought in several of the worst offensive linemen ever to play the game of football. That is just stupid. Actually, I don't know what you call it ... malfeasence, maybe.

Herm then realizes he's in the crapper and comes up with a "Plan". It's kind of cool, too. Because, not only does the "Plan" mollify the fans who get excited about watching young, upcoming players, he buys himself additional years as our HC because young players aren't expected to win right away. Carl backs the "Plan" because he has no other choice in the matter and we're off to the races.

My problem is that I don't know whether or not we're racing toward success or failure. Time will tell, I suppose. But, if you base your future expectations on past performance, I'm not sure Herm isn't the worst coach in the league right now. I mean, who would be worse?

FAX

**Reaper16** · 09-03-2008, 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by CoMoChief

The ST blocking was HORRIBLE in Herm's first season. Dante still took one to the house and almost had another one.

But hey we are in MUCH better shape now starting from damn near the ****in 20yd line everytime someone kicks off to us.

Do you remember how bad Dante was in his last Chiefs season? He showed a complete inability to go north/south. He was moving laterally way too much, trying to force an amazing return out of nothing every time. He had the dropsies, too.

wasi · 09-03-2008, 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Reerun_KC

Nope but Herm is responsible for suitable replacements.. Turley and McIntosh are not sutible replacements...

I'm not defending Herm as he has a lot to prove with this current direction of the team but it was Peterson who admitted it was his mistake to assume they could get by with the Oline last season.

chiefbowe82 · 09-03-2008, 02:35 PM

The lose of the electifying dante hall should have no effect? teams kicked it out of bounce on kickoffs just to avoid him returning it, great for reverses, speed. the lose of the best back in the league at the time down with an injury Priest Holmes didn't hurt, the lose of Trent Green due to a concussion didn't hurt? The retirements of Will Shields, and Willie Roaf didn't hurt? Welbourn getting caught with roids and his suspensions, and playing clean didn't hurt? Weigmann just fell off the deep end. Totally converting from the oldest offense to youngest shouldn't hurt either. The lose of Al Saunders shouldn't hurt and hiring a mental reerun offensive line coach for coordinator shouldn't hurt? We did fill the temporary o-line retirements holes up terribly though. How about the best fullback in football? nope instead we put bigfoot there

**Lzen** · 09-03-2008, 02:41 PM

That was a pretty good piece. I am not completely ready to throw Herm under the bus. Not yet. But he has been a major problem. Although I don't completely agree with everything he typed, I think CoMo did a pretty good job of summing it up. It was a combination of things but a lot of the blame has to go to Herm.

I am still willing to give him the benefit of doubt for now. One thing that I do believe Herm has done well is drafting. That is one area that CoMo and I apparently disagree. Frankly, I would not mind if the Chiefs demoted Herm to a scout.

If this team does not show any kind of improvement in the next year or two, Herm should be on the first bus to Timbuktu.

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CoMoChief Mahomes Dynasty Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Parts Unknown Casino cash: $7712254	There were many events that caused us to fail miserably on offense. Herm is not at fault entirely, but he gets his fare share of blame and is looked at mostly because he's the HC and is responsible for how the Chiefs perform. Reasons why our offense sucks.... 1. Roaf/Shields retired. this is the most important as LT is the most important position on offense outside the QB, we all saw in 2004 when Roaf went down, how bad our offense looked against a horrible BUF team. Without Roaf and Shields for that matter, the offense did nothing. Trent Green wasn't anything special. He didnt have a strong arm, he was old, and wasn't athletic, and held onto the ball a long time, longer than most QB's. But that was all fine and dandy when you have a probowl line protecting you providing you with 8 seconds of protection to get rid of it. ANY decent QB would flourish behind that Oline. Look at what Tom Brady did last season before the SB, NO ONE touched him, that oline was the best Oline at pass blocking in the league and it wasn't even close. Indy can be in that same category too. Peyton Manning and Tom Brady are only as good as the protection their Oline gives them. They arent athletic enough the scramble outside the pocket etc. Our WR's have always been crap outside TonyG, but eventually a WR will get open if he gets 8 or so seconds to get rid of the ball. The Oline from 2002-2005 made those offenses click....PERIOD. 2. Change of philosophy. Even though the Chiefs were in tops of the NFL in time of possesion. Herm wanted to run the ball even more to control the clock.....even more so than we already did. AS and DV willing to throw the ball down field. Herm wants more of a short west coast offense with dump offs and moving the chains offense. Herm has NO desire to EVER go for the Homerun, which is why I think he will always fail as a coach and will NEVER win the big game. This article has a great point. After Herm is done with the Chiefs, I don't think there is one team in the NFL that would pick him again as a HC. I also don't think he will go back to coordinating or scouting either. 3. Playing a rookie QB during a youth movement. Not only we are playing with a rookie QB for the most part, other primart positions on offense are also rookies and are also learning on the job as the season goes on. There are gonna be ups and downs and thats all part of the game. The only problem is when we play decent to good teams, we are gonna get our asses kicked in more ways people could ever imagine, which destroys any confidence this team ever had on offense. 4. Lack of ST. Ever since Herm got here and DV and his staff left our return game has been the laughing stock of the NFL. If there is one thing DV knew and was very good at was breaking down ST portion of the game. He was the first ST coach in the NFL btw FWIW. We had ST allstars during his time here. Trading away Dante Hall was a big mistake. He was good at making people miss and was always good for a few returns a year. Hopefully Savage changes that and what we have witnessed since Herm has been here. 5. Carl Peterson, shit for anything he's just been here way too damn long and should have left when Marty left. Theres a fine line between good and bad coaches. Good coaches you know that no matter what, your team will always be in the game or have a chance at winning it. Bad coaches you know when you play some teams you have zero chance in winning, which is what I feel with Herm Edwards and have never thought while DV, Gun, or Marty were HC. (Carl's tenure) __________________ Last edited by CoMoChief; 09-03-2008 at 02:01 PM..
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Chiefnj2 In Search of a Life Join Date: Mar 2007 Casino cash: $6674388	Vermeil was able to do fairly well in 2001 (5th in yards and 16th in scoring) with Tait (a RT more than a LT), Waters in what I believe was his first year starting after being converted from a TE, Weigman, Shields and a combo of Spear/Riley at RT. Other than Shields I don't recall any of the other OL being considered all that great at the time. A decent offensive coach was able to make chicken salad out of a questionable lineup. __________________ Mismanaging the clock.
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FAX testing ... 1, 2, 3 Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Tennessee Casino cash: $6753759	I have to admit that I was (and remain, somewhat) incensed over Herm's blatant lie in his first press conference that he wasn't going to change the offense. But, that's all in the past and I'm pretty much over it now just like Herm said I should be. The retirement of Roaf, the injury to Trent, and the hiring of Solari sent us into a tailspin. The only part of that which can be directly attributed to Herm, however, is the Solari pick. But, the organization should have had the foresight and ability to develop a lineman or two who could serve as reasonable replacements for our big Willies. Not only did they not do that, they brought in several of the worst offensive linemen ever to play the game of football. That is just stupid. Actually, I don't know what you call it ... malfeasence, maybe. Herm then realizes he's in the crapper and comes up with a "Plan". It's kind of cool, too. Because, not only does the "Plan" mollify the fans who get excited about watching young, upcoming players, he buys himself additional years as our HC because young players aren't expected to win right away. Carl backs the "Plan" because he has no other choice in the matter and we're off to the races. My problem is that I don't know whether or not we're racing toward success or failure. Time will tell, I suppose. But, if you base your future expectations on past performance, I'm not sure Herm isn't the worst coach in the league right now. I mean, who would be worse? FAX
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chiefbowe82 Banned Join Date: Aug 2006 Casino cash: $10004900	The lose of the electifying dante hall should have no effect? teams kicked it out of bounce on kickoffs just to avoid him returning it, great for reverses, speed. the lose of the best back in the league at the time down with an injury Priest Holmes didn't hurt, the lose of Trent Green due to a concussion didn't hurt? The retirements of Will Shields, and Willie Roaf didn't hurt? Welbourn getting caught with roids and his suspensions, and playing clean didn't hurt? Weigmann just fell off the deep end. Totally converting from the oldest offense to youngest shouldn't hurt either. The lose of Al Saunders shouldn't hurt and hiring a mental reerun offensive line coach for coordinator shouldn't hurt? We did fill the temporary o-line retirements holes up terribly though. How about the best fullback in football? nope instead we put bigfoot there Last edited by chiefbowe82; 09-03-2008 at 02:57 PM..
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Lzen Banded Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Oz Casino cash: $-529308	That was a pretty good piece. I am not completely ready to throw Herm under the bus. Not yet. But he has been a major problem. Although I don't completely agree with everything he typed, I think CoMo did a pretty good job of summing it up. It was a combination of things but a lot of the blame has to go to Herm. I am still willing to give him the benefit of doubt for now. One thing that I do believe Herm has done well is drafting. That is one area that CoMo and I apparently disagree. Frankly, I would not mind if the Chiefs demoted Herm to a scout. If this team does not show any kind of improvement in the next year or two, Herm should be on the first bus to Timbuktu. __________________ Conversation would be vastly improved by the constant use of four simple words: I do not know.
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