Chiefs Simms and Rattay headed to KC for workout - Page 7

JuicesFlowing · 09-08-2008, 04:13 PM

Monday Update 9/8
September 8, 2008 - Bob Gretz |

From the Truman Sports Complex

NFL veteran quarterbacks Chris Simms and Tim Rattay should be headed to Kansas City Monday evening and they are expected to workout for the Chiefs sometime on Tuesday.

Right now, it appears that QB Brodie Croyle will miss two to four weeks with the shoulder injury he suffered on Sunday in Foxboro against the Patriots. That leaves the Chiefs with no option other than to sign a quarterback to help them.

Both Simms and Rattay were rumored to be at the top of the list in New England for the Patriots to step onto their roster for the injured Tom Brady. But Chiefs sources say both quarterbacks left Foxboro without being offered a deal. It sounds like the Patriots must have something else working behind the scenes.

The Patriots announced on Monday afternoon that Brady will undergo sugery and is lost for the season. They placed him on the injured reserve list.

Simms is 6-4, 220 pounds, 28-year old former third-round draft choice of Tampa Bay in the 2003 NFL Draft out of the University of Texas. He’s not played in a regular season game since the third week of the 2006 season, when he suffered a spleen injury. Ultimately, he underwent a splenectomy and missed the rest of the ‘06 and the whole ‘07 season. He did play in the most recent pre-season for the Bucs, completing 19 of 30 passes for 155 yards, no TDs and one INT. He was sacked five times.

Overall with the Bucs, he played in 19 games, starting 15 and completed 59.1 percent of his passes for an average of 6.27 yards per attempt, with 12 TD passes and 17 INTs. That’s a passer rating of 71.2

Rattay is 6-0, 200 pounds, 31 years old and a veteran of nine years in the NFL. He was a seventh-round choice of San Francisco in the 2000 NFL Draft out of Louisiana Tech. He spent six seasons with the Niners, two years in Tampa Bay and part of last season with Arizona. He went to training camp in 2007 with Tennessee.

He’s played in 40 games, with 18 starts, completing 60.5 percent of his passes, for an average of 6.8 yards per attempt with 31 TDS and 23 INTs. That’s a career passer rating of 81.9.

The Chiefs are not interested in bringing back David Greene, who was with them at the end of last season.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 09-08-2008, 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

This is where I can't take your argument seriously.

If you really wanted our five best out there right now we'd probably play Taylor at LT, Waters at LG, Rudy at C, Albert at RT, and the best of what's left at RG.

But here you are clamoring for Taylor at RT, a position he's completely ill suited to play. We aren't competing for the playoffs tomorrow. Herb Taylor isn't going to have trade value. If our RT sucks, who fucking cares? We aren't doing anything this year. Why run Richardson out there and ruin him? If you want to put Taylor out there, fine, but don't act like he's a panacea for the ills of the O-line. He's not.

But the best for today is not what is best for the future of the team. Albert needs to play LT because that is the most important position and he is our most important lineman. Waters should play LG. Rudy should play C, he's smart, physically capable, and would do a good job with the line calls. Taylor may well be the best option at guard next year, but he won't be the best option at tackle next year. Why then waste a year of his development at tackle when lines function better when they have cohesion? You can just as easily plug him in at RG and have him be a longer term stopgap with the ability to fill in at LT should Albert get hurt. Then next year Richardson can be your RT mauler and the line is mostly taken care of.

That's all I've been trying to say.

I don't think he's a long term answer, and I don't think his presence is going to make this a great OL. But it will make it a slightly better OL, IMO.

If he gives whoever is playing QB a second longer, than I feel you're hurting the team by playing McIntosh when he's not the best option - for THIS year.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 09-08-2008, 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO

sorry for the long quote but who would be your RT now?

I don't think it really matters, but people are acting like Taylor is going to solve the ills brought by McIntosh and that's hopelessly optimistic. I still say the best thing to do is coach up Richardson for half a season, then you can throw him out there and let him get worked a little, but not ruined like he would be otherwise. Given the # of holes on this team, I also think we'd be wise to play Herb at RG so that if we don't draft a G we'll have continuity from the left 4/5s of the line spanning two years. That can really help the development of the running game.

philfree · 09-08-2008, 06:55 PM

I thought Taylor was the swing T being the backup for both left and right T. So if/when McIndusch is injured won't Taylor be the guy on the field? If Mc isn't getting the job done then shouldn't Taylor get the opportunity as the starter? And why would he be better at G then RT? And why would playing him ruin him? Or why would it ruin Richardson? I'm not so sure your argument holds any real water. IMO if we're going with youth then we should bench Mc and go with either Taylor or Richardson or even rotate them. Also maybe if we put Taylor at RT we could give Richardson a shot at RG. I'm not saying that would be best but rather a possibility. Wasn't Will Shields an OT in college?

PhilFree

**SAUTO** · 09-08-2008, 06:59 PM

[QUOTE='Hamas' Jenkins;4996798]I don't think it really matters, but people are acting like Taylor is going to solve the ills brought by McIntosh and that's hopelessly optimistic. I still say the best thing to do is coach up Richardson for half a season, then you can throw him out there and let him get worked a little, but not ruined like he would be otherwise. Given the # of holes on this team, I also think we'd be wise to play Herb at RG so that if we don't draft a G we'll have continuity from the left 4/5s of the line spanning two years. That can really help the development of the running game.[/QUOTE
i Just see us needing a RT NOW, if not every QB we run with this year is gonna get killed rbs also

Fish · 09-08-2008, 07:10 PM

McIntosh will be injured before long, and will force the issue....

WilliamTheIrish · 09-08-2008, 07:14 PM

Simms could only lose a kidney on the side now. And with Mac over there you know that kidney is screaming at Simms to sign with another team.

evolve27 · 09-08-2008, 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by KC Fish

McIntosh will be injured before long, and will force the issue....

Yeah, Huard has been known to go down. If Simms signs we have to look at cutting Thigpen. Phil's son might give us some rythm on offense and scrambling ability.

Ultra Peanut · 09-08-2008, 07:31 PM

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He did play in the most recent pre-season for the Bucs, completing 19 of 30 passes for 155 yards, no TDs and one INT. He was sacked five times.

So you're saying HE'S READY, then?

Cormac · 09-08-2008, 07:46 PM

Sign Culpepper.

milkman · 09-08-2008, 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

Here is my concern with Simms, he is left handed. You guys can figure out the rest pretty easy.

It would confuse Herman ****ing Edwards and Dick Curl?

prhom · 09-08-2008, 08:02 PM

How many QBs are we going to injure before the league decides we're a f-ing liability and kicks us out of the NFL? I was expecting Huard to get knocked out of the game at any time yesterday. I think we go for Simms, he's bigger than Rattay. Rattay seems like he's about the same build as Croyle and we know how well that works.

dtrain · 09-08-2008, 08:21 PM

I said it

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=190819

milkman · 09-08-2008, 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by prhom

How many QBs are we going to injure before the league decides we're a f-ing liability and kicks us out of the NFL? I was expecting Huard to get knocked out of the game at any time yesterday. I think we go for Simms, he's bigger than Rattay. Rattay seems like he's about the same build as Croyle and we know how well that works.

The question is, how many QBs is Herman ****ing Edwards going to get injured?

KCJohnny · 09-08-2008, 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by booger

Huard hasn't been told he'll start Sunday
By JEFFREY FLANNAGAN
The Kansas City Star
It would seem a foregone conclusion that backup quarterback Damon Huard will start for the Chiefs on Sunday in place of injured starter Brodie Croyle.

But Huard hasn't been told anything.

"I really don't know," he said Monday. "I haven't been told. I'll prepare like I do every week as if I could be called upon."

Croyle was scheduled to have an MRI on his injured shoulder Monday, according to Chiefs officials.

Much of the talk Monday in the Chiefs' lockerroom was on the Chiefs' final sequence of plays, two of which seemed to involve pass interference or illegal contact infractions on the Patriots. No flags were thrown, however.

"You know I can't comment on officiating," Huard said, smiling. "It's always tough on the last play of the game. Officials don't want to have to determine the outcome."

http://www.kansascity.com/sports/chi...ry/787570.html

This team is dumber than dirt if they don't start Huard. The only thing I can figure is (a) Thigpen can avoid the rush with his legs and (b) he has more upside than 35 yr old Damon Huard. Starting Thigpen or any of these guys coming in for a tryout is basically telling opponents we're mailing in the season and playing for draft picks already.

**BigRedChief** · 09-09-2008, 07:56 AM

I thought NE would sign Simms but they will be at Arrowhead working out for the Chiefs today. Per the KC Star.

Sorry if a repost

09-08-2008, 04:13 PM
JuicesFlowing Losing with passion. Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Oblivion Casino cash: $10004925	Simms and Rattay headed to KC for workout Monday Update 9/8 September 8, 2008 - Bob Gretz \| From the Truman Sports Complex NFL veteran quarterbacks Chris Simms and Tim Rattay should be headed to Kansas City Monday evening and they are expected to workout for the Chiefs sometime on Tuesday. Right now, it appears that QB Brodie Croyle will miss two to four weeks with the shoulder injury he suffered on Sunday in Foxboro against the Patriots. That leaves the Chiefs with no option other than to sign a quarterback to help them. Both Simms and Rattay were rumored to be at the top of the list in New England for the Patriots to step onto their roster for the injured Tom Brady. But Chiefs sources say both quarterbacks left Foxboro without being offered a deal. It sounds like the Patriots must have something else working behind the scenes. The Patriots announced on Monday afternoon that Brady will undergo sugery and is lost for the season. They placed him on the injured reserve list. Simms is 6-4, 220 pounds, 28-year old former third-round draft choice of Tampa Bay in the 2003 NFL Draft out of the University of Texas. He’s not played in a regular season game since the third week of the 2006 season, when he suffered a spleen injury. Ultimately, he underwent a splenectomy and missed the rest of the ‘06 and the whole ‘07 season. He did play in the most recent pre-season for the Bucs, completing 19 of 30 passes for 155 yards, no TDs and one INT. He was sacked five times. Overall with the Bucs, he played in 19 games, starting 15 and completed 59.1 percent of his passes for an average of 6.27 yards per attempt, with 12 TD passes and 17 INTs. That’s a passer rating of 71.2 Rattay is 6-0, 200 pounds, 31 years old and a veteran of nine years in the NFL. He was a seventh-round choice of San Francisco in the 2000 NFL Draft out of Louisiana Tech. He spent six seasons with the Niners, two years in Tampa Bay and part of last season with Arizona. He went to training camp in 2007 with Tennessee. He’s played in 40 games, with 18 starts, completing 60.5 percent of his passes, for an average of 6.8 yards per attempt with 31 TDS and 23 INTs. That’s a career passer rating of 81.9. The Chiefs are not interested in bringing back David Greene, who was with them at the end of last season.
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philfree Indian Twitter Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Free Agency Casino cash: $-2033802	I thought Taylor was the swing T being the backup for both left and right T. So if/when McIndusch is injured won't Taylor be the guy on the field? If Mc isn't getting the job done then shouldn't Taylor get the opportunity as the starter? And why would he be better at G then RT? And why would playing him ruin him? Or why would it ruin Richardson? I'm not so sure your argument holds any real water. IMO if we're going with youth then we should bench Mc and go with either Taylor or Richardson or even rotate them. Also maybe if we put Taylor at RT we could give Richardson a shot at RG. I'm not saying that would be best but rather a possibility. Wasn't Will Shields an OT in college? PhilFree __________________ [/SIGPIC] Last edited by philfree; 09-08-2008 at 07:03 PM..
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SAUTO Shit Join Date: Jun 2008 Casino cash: $10039067	[QUOTE='Hamas' Jenkins;4996798]I don't think it really matters, but people are acting like Taylor is going to solve the ills brought by McIntosh and that's hopelessly optimistic. I still say the best thing to do is coach up Richardson for half a season, then you can throw him out there and let him get worked a little, but not ruined like he would be otherwise. Given the # of holes on this team, I also think we'd be wise to play Herb at RG so that if we don't draft a G we'll have continuity from the left 4/5s of the line spanning two years. That can really help the development of the running game.[/QUOTE i Just see us needing a RT NOW, if not every QB we run with this year is gonna get killed rbs also
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prhom Veteran Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Denver Casino cash: $7406013	How many QBs are we going to injure before the league decides we're a f-ing liability and kicks us out of the NFL? I was expecting Huard to get knocked out of the game at any time yesterday. I think we go for Simms, he's bigger than Rattay. Rattay seems like he's about the same build as Croyle and we know how well that works.
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dtrain Who's your daddy? Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Junction City Casino cash: $-1216694	I said it http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=190819 __________________ To bad more of the team doesn't have this mentality!!!
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