Name an area of the Chiefs Herm Edwards has improved since he took over?

[Deberg_1990]

QB = No

O-Line - no

Rb's - no

D-line - Hmmm...they have gotten younger, but overall have they really improved??

Linebackers - No

Defensive backs - perhaps??

special teams - no

punter - maybe??

place kicker - no



Not a very good track record.....

Why does this guy deserve to still have a job??

[ping2000]

There is less trash inside the stadium due to fewer fans. Herm is a GREEN coach.

[CosmicPal]

Originally Posted by FAX

When you play Herm's Chiefs, you can't even let your guys watch film. They might pick up some bad habits, plus the giggling gets completely out of control.

FAX

Do they even bother with watching film? Shoot, a week versus the Chiefs offense must feel like a bye-week for our opposing teams.

"Well coach, who's are next opponent this Sunday?
"Uhhh, that would be the Kansas City Chiefs."
"Ahhhhh good." Pulls toothpick out his mouth and grins, "So, can I give my defensive players a week off then?"
"Sure. Take them to Disneyland, but be back here by Friday."

[RibKing67]

I blame D.V. for this .... He left one of the oldest teams in the NFL for whoever was to take over. It is not Herms fault but he is taking all the heat for it. The blame should be placed squarely on the arrogant shoulders of King Carl. For years he kept telling us we were one or two players away from making it. We would go get a free agent or two and try an fill the spot all the while the others were getting older. The poor pitiful draft picks under D.V. were not his picks they were Carls. They were more often than not busts. Now Herm is trying to BUILD a team. There is no REbuilding this team. You have to build from scratch. IMO Chan and Herm feel like this is just a long preseason, they are evaulating talent all year long. It is hard win when you cant put a team on the feild that has no real experience.

[FAX]

Yeah, no offense, but that's a little high, Mr. CosmicPal. They used to laugh at our defense when DV was our coach. But they never laughed at our offense or our special teams.

Under Hermoine, they laugh at the offense, the special teams, the coaching staff, the ownership, and the fans.

We really need a titty graph for this, but I'll try and spell it out anyways: When you run the numbers, that's 1 laugh target for DV which is worth 50 NFL negative rep points. Herm's organization has 5 laugh targets which is 250 NFL negative rep points. Therefore, DV is only 5 times the coach that Herm is.

FAX

[PastorMikH]

Originally Posted by RibKing67

I blame D.V. for this .... He left one of the oldest teams in the NFL for whoever was to take over. It is not Herms fault but he is taking all the heat for it.

All Herm had to do was keep Saunders and keep his hands off the O - they were old, but they had a couple years left. Build the D, and he'd have seen the promised land. But no, he had to castrate one of the best offensive units to see the field - and he did it in his first couple of games as a HC.

[Brock]

Like Saunders would have stayed here under any circumstances.

[ChiefsCountry]

Originally Posted by PastorMikH

All Herm had to do was keep Saunders and keep his hands off the O - they were old, but they had a couple years left. Build the D, and he'd have seen the promised land. But no, he had to castrate one of the best offensive units to see the field - and he did it in his first couple of games as a HC.

It was more than just Saunders. Big Willie had the major impact on that which snowballed into Green get knocked out silly, which turned into the total disaster that is now.

[FAX]

Originally Posted by RibKing67

I blame D.V. for this .... He left one of the oldest teams in the NFL for whoever was to take over. It is not Herms fault but he is taking all the heat for it. The blame should be placed squarely on the arrogant shoulders of King Carl. For years he kept telling us we were one or two players away from making it. We would go get a free agent or two and try an fill the spot all the while the others were getting older. The poor pitiful draft picks under D.V. were not his picks they were Carls. They were more often than not busts. Now Herm is trying to BUILD a team. There is no REbuilding this team. You have to build from scratch. IMO Chan and Herm feel like this is just a long preseason, they are evaulating talent all year long. It is hard win when you cant put a team on the feild that has no real experience.

I don't disagree with any of this, Mr. RibKing67. Except for one thing ... in his pressers this afternoon, Herm sure didn't sound like a guy who is looking at this as a long pre-season and just taking things in stride. To me, he sounded like a man who just got his bare ass spanked by the little old lady who lives in the clapboard house down on the corner. He sounded embarrassed, defensive, and somewhat shocked. I honestly believe that Herm is beginning to realize that he's in way over his head on this deal. His expectations (whatever they may be) for game day are not being met and he doesn't know where to start in order to turn things around.

Knowing Hermoine, that means he'll go back to "basics". Blame the youth and focus again on "fundamentals". Conveniently, "basics" and "fundamentals" are about all he can offer in terms of coaching.

FAX

[jjjayb]

Originally Posted by RibKing67

I blame D.V. for this .... He left one of the oldest teams in the NFL for whoever was to take over. It is not Herms fault but he is taking all the heat for it. The blame should be placed squarely on the arrogant shoulders of King Carl. For years he kept telling us we were one or two players away from making it. We would go get a free agent or two and try an fill the spot all the while the others were getting older. The poor pitiful draft picks under D.V. were not his picks they were Carls. They were more often than not busts. Now Herm is trying to BUILD a team. There is no REbuilding this team. You have to build from scratch. IMO Chan and Herm feel like this is just a long preseason, they are evaulating talent all year long. It is hard win when you cant put a team on the feild that has no real experience.

Blame DV for this? How about blaming the shitty play calling? I have no problem believing DV could take this exact same team, with the exact same players and double their wins. (then again, how do you double 0?) He would wup these players asses in shape and actually come up with a frigging game plan besides r2p2.

[PastorMikH]

Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

It was more than just Saunders. Big Willie had the major impact on that which snowballed into Green get knocked out silly, which turned into the total disaster that is now.

Would Roaf have quit if he thought there was any real chance of this team competing? Shoot, he talked Shields into coming back and not retireing. He went to the spring meetings, I think he saw where things were heading and figured it wasn't worth it.


And no, Saunders probably wouldn't have stayed, but they really didn't try to keep him either.

[jjjayb]

Originally Posted by PastorMikH

Would Roaf have quit if he thought there was any real chance of this team competing? Shoot, he talked Shields into coming back and not retireing. He went to the spring meetings, I think he saw where things were heading and figured it wasn't worth it.


And no, Saunders probably wouldn't have stayed, but they really didn't try to keep him either.

Why the heck would Saunders stay after Herm called his offense a "circus offense" that was the cause of the Chiefs losing?

[tk13]

I didn't realize this thread was going on... I was kinda commenting on this in another thread. I think our talent evaluation is miles better.

The problem is, at least under DV it felt like we were getting the most out of the players we had. Now we had some real untalented hacks on defense... but we had a lot of guys who were playing to the max of their potential (Trent, Priest, etc... especially guys like Blaylock, Hall, Waters, Wiegmann, Fujita, Dunn, etc)

Right now it just doesn't feel like we have a lot of guys doing that, but hopefully that gets better as time goes on.

The other hard thing about it is, Carl brought DV here to try and make one last run. Not that DV could've rebuilt this roster with youth, I don't think that's his strength at all. But I think what DV did was what Carl brought him in here to do... try and get Carl a trophy as he rode off into the sunset. No matter what it took, FA's, trading draft picks... just trying to put together a roster that could win a Super Bowl. It didn't get done, but now everyone blames DV for wrecking the franchise, when Carl knew the consequences of what they were trying to do, and now we're paying for it and he's still here without his trophy.

[PastorMikH]

As for the topic...


Colquit is the ONLY upgrade I see - and he's the one player I wished never had to see the field.

Any DL recognition is more than offset by losing Allen.

I can't really say that I think we have upgraded anywhere else yet. Give the young players a year or two, maybe. But right now, no.

[BigRedChief]

Originally Posted by jjjayb

Why the heck would Saunders stay after Herm called his offense a "circus offense" that was the cause of the Chiefs losing?

Circus offfense?

[PastorMikH]

Originally Posted by jjjayb

Why the heck would Saunders stay after Herm called his offense a "circus offense" that was the cause of the Chiefs losing?

I think being passed over when he was told years prior that he would most likely be HC when DV retired did more than Herm's comments. But Herm's comments pretty much told Saunders that Herm would be changing the O completely.


Saunders did what was best for him and I sure wouldn't have stayed if I were him. I'm just saying, had he stayed AND been given total control of the O, (add in - as well as input on player aquisition), I think he'd have the O competitive today.