Chiefs Chiefs Blasted in Carolina, 34-0 - Page 7

Hammock Parties · 10-05-2008, 07:25 PM

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From the opening whistle, the Chiefs didn’t come to play Sunday. The defense was gashed and didn’t make enough plays despite coming up with two turnovers. But when you don’t have a quarterback, can’t rush the passer against two inexperienced tackles and don’t score points, generally you don’t win.

This was a new low for the Chiefs. Not only did they regress from their upset win a week ago against Denver, but based on the 34-0 blanking at the hands of the Carolina Panthers, Kansas City is back on track for another losing streak.

The problem could have been avoided months ago if the Chiefs had signed veteran free agent quarterback Chad Pennington and cut Damon Huard. They’d likely be at least 3-2 on the season, maybe in first place at this point.

The Chiefs’ biggest debacle so far hasn’t been losing to the Patriots, Raiders, Falcons or Panthers. It was letting Pennington get away. He wanted to come to Kansas City, but the Chiefs didn’t pull the trigger. Whether it was a coaching thing or a management thing, the bottom line is this season could have been different if Pennington was a Chief and not a Dolphin.

Pennington has taken a not-so-talented bunch of offensive players in Miami and put them in contention for the AFC East. If he were in Kansas City, the Chiefs would have beaten the Patriots and Raiders, along with Denver, and be 3-2.

Instead, Sunday we watched Huard, who appeared to be a quarterback who wasn’t ready or able to play the game. He was tentative, didn’t set his feet at times and threw several passes either up for grabs or towards Panthers defenders. From interceptions, to batted balls, to being hit, this was Huard’s worst game of the season and puts the question of who starts from here on out to rest.

Brodie Croyle is the starter for the remainder of 2008. Unless he’s in the hospital or out for the season with an injury, he’s the guy. Let’s see what he can finally do in a Chiefs uniform with a better offensive line and more options at running back.

This bye week should be critical for the Chiefs. Changes need to be made in the starting lineup. DaJuan Morgan should take Bernard Pollard’s spot at safety, and Herb Taylor should take over for Damion McIntosh at right tackle.

Running back Kolby Smith also deserves more carries. Sorry, but $45 million running backs who get out-rushed by third-round draft picks (Jamaal Charles – 18 yards) and backup quarterbacks (Tyler Thigpen – 16 yards) should give someone else a chance. Wade Smith could also replace Adrian Jones at guard. He’s been a valuable addition on special teams but deserves a shot at a starting spot.

Last but not least, Eric Price should be promoted to quarterbacks coach for Croyle’s sake the rest of the season. The Dick Curl experiment is over. He has to take some of the blame for the lack of preparedness his quarterbacks have shown at the beginning, middle and end of games this season. Price previously worked with Croyle at Alabama, was a brilliant offensive coordinator in college and has more to offer the Chiefs than coaching wide receivers.

Five to Remember -

DC Gunther Cunningham - His players either aren’t listening or he’s not reaching them. Cunningham will eat, sleep and live at Arrowhead the next two weeks because he will fix the defensive problems, but he needs to make some changes either in the class room, the practice field or on game days. I didn’t much care for the lack of aggression from the defense when the Panthers had any kind of long third down.

OC Chan Gailey - Sunday he seemed to have the same disease we saw the first two games of the season – an uncreative offensive game plan that was far too predictable. Gailey’s quarterback and running back didn’t do him any favors, but how about a reverse, flanker pass, pitch play, or anything? Gailey should be more aggressive when Croyle returns. He needs to open up the playbook. It can’t hurt at this point.

HC Herm Edwards - I don’t often get critical with the Head Coach, but today he should have pulled Huard sooner. He knows he’s not the answer and despite the win a week ago, Edwards should have just struggled along with Tyler Thigpen the last two weeks. Wins are important, but Edwards has job security.

QB Damon Huard - There were rumblings all week that he was hurt and those appear to be true based on today’s game. Huard was not ready to play and based on the fact he didn’t really practice much until Thursday, perhaps the rumored injuries were more severe than disclosed. Huard’s a class guy all the way but right now looks like a player who might be done.

Farzin · 10-05-2008, 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Dave Lane

He couldnt bring himself to include #5 which was Larry Johnson...

Dave

I still thought it was funny haha. Especially Fax's comment.

KCJohnny · 10-05-2008, 09:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Nightfyre

I find the whole Cover 2 scheme ridiculous. Call me old fashioned, but I loved the man-up blitz-down defenses of the past.

I do too. There is something awfully gone wrong when your Cover 2 "soft middle/bend-but-don't-break" _efense gives up 200 rushing yards every week, including generous allowances for unheard of back up RBs.

**Dave Lane** · 10-05-2008, 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Claythan

WPI Blasted On Chiefsplanet

We should settle this on the field of battle the the flag football field

Dave

Mecca · 10-05-2008, 10:02 PM

Well when you play zone with no pass rush, you get killed.

**2112** · 10-05-2008, 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

Well when you play zone with no pass rush, you get killed.

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But when I was in Tampa we played cover two. it worked there with me.-Herm Edwards

According to Herm's logic you're wrong.

Boris The Great · 10-05-2008, 11:40 PM

Just to avoid the Pennington pile-on, WTF game is Athan watching where Dujuan Morgan should replace anybody? The Panthers biggest pass play, not to mention the play where Steve Smith was wide open for a TD and they missed, were both caused because Morgan came in and blew the coverage.

Which, fine, he is a rookie after all. He will learn. But for Athan to make that statement would suggest that Morgan was out there being a playmaker. I guess he was, it was just for the Panthers.

WPI will never be taken seriously with this dweeb at the controls. Which is a shame because I like Wendler and Ash.

KCJohnny · 10-05-2008, 11:43 PM

I'm not in favor of Morgan starting yet, but look at this video of Jarad Page whiffing. Pretty bad stuff. (FF to 1:25)

Sure-Oz · 10-05-2008, 11:45 PM

Page was pretty pathetic, the angles our safeties take are ridiculous....

KCJohnny · 10-05-2008, 11:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Sure-Oz

Page was pretty pathetic, the angles our safeties take are ridiculous....

At what point does Herm/Gun say to heck with Tampa 2? We just do not have the horses to run that scheme.

Boris The Great · 10-06-2008, 12:02 AM

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Originally Posted by KCJohnny

I\'m not in favor of Morgan starting yet, but look at this video of Jarad Page whiffing. Pretty bad stuff. (FF to 1:25)

Not to defend his overall play, but if I remember from the backside angle they showed, Page just slipped and fell on that one. But either way, Page isnt even the one Athan said he should replace, he said Pollard. I dont remember Pollard screwing anything up today.

KCJohnny · 10-06-2008, 12:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Boris The Great

Not to defend his overall play, but if I remember from the backside angle they showed, Page just slipped and fell on that one. But either way, Page isnt even the one Athan said he should replace, he said Pollard. I dont remember Pollard screwing anything up today.

I couldn't tell if he slipped or not from the camera angle. What appears to be happening is the Carolina runner stiff arms Page as he whiffs miserably and then a pile picker just obliterates Page at the end of the play.

BigRock · 10-06-2008, 12:22 AM

Just to mention it, Page did have a pretty nice INT. It wasn't all slips and pratfalls.

Quesadilla Joe · 10-06-2008, 12:24 AM

Why couldn't the Chiefs just lay down and play dead when they played us?

KCJohnny · 10-06-2008, 12:29 AM

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Originally Posted by BigRock

Just to mention it, Page did have a pretty nice INT. It wasn't all slips and pratfalls.

Fair e'nuff.

JuicesFlowing · 10-06-2008, 01:52 AM

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Originally Posted by FAX

Five to Remember -

Okay, I know that grammar isn't Nick's strong suit, but counting to the number 5?

FAX

If you click on the link, The actual article has 5. The last part about LJ was not posted.

10-05-2008, 07:25 PM
Hammock Parties I'll be back. Join Date: Nov 2002 Casino cash: $1030478	Chiefs Blasted in Carolina, 34-0 http://kan.scout.com/2/797935.html From the opening whistle, the Chiefs didn’t come to play Sunday. The defense was gashed and didn’t make enough plays despite coming up with two turnovers. But when you don’t have a quarterback, can’t rush the passer against two inexperienced tackles and don’t score points, generally you don’t win. This was a new low for the Chiefs. Not only did they regress from their upset win a week ago against Denver, but based on the 34-0 blanking at the hands of the Carolina Panthers, Kansas City is back on track for another losing streak. The problem could have been avoided months ago if the Chiefs had signed veteran free agent quarterback Chad Pennington and cut Damon Huard. They’d likely be at least 3-2 on the season, maybe in first place at this point. The Chiefs’ biggest debacle so far hasn’t been losing to the Patriots, Raiders, Falcons or Panthers. It was letting Pennington get away. He wanted to come to Kansas City, but the Chiefs didn’t pull the trigger. Whether it was a coaching thing or a management thing, the bottom line is this season could have been different if Pennington was a Chief and not a Dolphin. Pennington has taken a not-so-talented bunch of offensive players in Miami and put them in contention for the AFC East. If he were in Kansas City, the Chiefs would have beaten the Patriots and Raiders, along with Denver, and be 3-2. Instead, Sunday we watched Huard, who appeared to be a quarterback who wasn’t ready or able to play the game. He was tentative, didn’t set his feet at times and threw several passes either up for grabs or towards Panthers defenders. From interceptions, to batted balls, to being hit, this was Huard’s worst game of the season and puts the question of who starts from here on out to rest. Brodie Croyle is the starter for the remainder of 2008. Unless he’s in the hospital or out for the season with an injury, he’s the guy. Let’s see what he can finally do in a Chiefs uniform with a better offensive line and more options at running back. This bye week should be critical for the Chiefs. Changes need to be made in the starting lineup. DaJuan Morgan should take Bernard Pollard’s spot at safety, and Herb Taylor should take over for Damion McIntosh at right tackle. Running back Kolby Smith also deserves more carries. Sorry, but $45 million running backs who get out-rushed by third-round draft picks (Jamaal Charles – 18 yards) and backup quarterbacks (Tyler Thigpen – 16 yards) should give someone else a chance. Wade Smith could also replace Adrian Jones at guard. He’s been a valuable addition on special teams but deserves a shot at a starting spot. Last but not least, Eric Price should be promoted to quarterbacks coach for Croyle’s sake the rest of the season. The Dick Curl experiment is over. He has to take some of the blame for the lack of preparedness his quarterbacks have shown at the beginning, middle and end of games this season. Price previously worked with Croyle at Alabama, was a brilliant offensive coordinator in college and has more to offer the Chiefs than coaching wide receivers. Five to Remember - DC Gunther Cunningham - His players either aren’t listening or he’s not reaching them. Cunningham will eat, sleep and live at Arrowhead the next two weeks because he will fix the defensive problems, but he needs to make some changes either in the class room, the practice field or on game days. I didn’t much care for the lack of aggression from the defense when the Panthers had any kind of long third down. OC Chan Gailey - Sunday he seemed to have the same disease we saw the first two games of the season – an uncreative offensive game plan that was far too predictable. Gailey’s quarterback and running back didn’t do him any favors, but how about a reverse, flanker pass, pitch play, or anything? Gailey should be more aggressive when Croyle returns. He needs to open up the playbook. It can’t hurt at this point. HC Herm Edwards - I don’t often get critical with the Head Coach, but today he should have pulled Huard sooner. He knows he’s not the answer and despite the win a week ago, Edwards should have just struggled along with Tyler Thigpen the last two weeks. Wins are important, but Edwards has job security. QB Damon Huard - There were rumblings all week that he was hurt and those appear to be true based on today’s game. Huard was not ready to play and based on the fact he didn’t really practice much until Thursday, perhaps the rumored injuries were more severe than disclosed. Huard’s a class guy all the way but right now looks like a player who might be done.
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Boris The Great Starter Join Date: Dec 2006 Casino cash: $10004900	Just to avoid the Pennington pile-on, WTF game is Athan watching where Dujuan Morgan should replace anybody? The Panthers biggest pass play, not to mention the play where Steve Smith was wide open for a TD and they missed, were both caused because Morgan came in and blew the coverage. Which, fine, he is a rookie after all. He will learn. But for Athan to make that statement would suggest that Morgan was out there being a playmaker. I guess he was, it was just for the Panthers. WPI will never be taken seriously with this dweeb at the controls. Which is a shame because I like Wendler and Ash.
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