Chiefs Packers Also offered a 3rd Rounder

Bill Lundberg · 10-15-2008, 10:48 AM

http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=806267

Bid to land Gonzalez falls short
Chiefs were willing to deal star tight end for second-round pick
By BOB McGINN
bmcginn@journalsentinel.com
Posted: Oct. 15, 2008
Green Bay - The Green Bay Packers could have acquired tight end Tony Gonzalez from the Kansas City Chiefs on Tuesday but they refused to part with a second-round draft choice.

A source familiar with negotiations told the Journal Sentinel that Chiefs President Carl Peterson ultimately decided to retain Gonzalez after turning down the best offer from Green Bay, which was a third-round selection. The source said Peterson wanted a second-rounder to make the deal.

The decision by general manager Ted Thompson not to send the second-round pick to Kansas City was made just minutes before the National Football League trading deadline of 3 p.m.

During a day of talks between Green Bay and Kansas City, the Packers increased their compensation offer several times. A source said Gonzalez had told the Chiefs that he would accept a trade to the Packers, and planned to play three more seasons.

This was another example of Thompson’s unwillingness to pull the trigger on a blockbuster trade to obtain another weapon on offense.
In 2006, Thompson had the chance to send a high draft choice to San Diego Chargers for running back Michael Turner.

A year later, Thompson didn’t push hard enough to get wide receiver Randy Moss under contract and watched the New England Patriots acquire him from the Oakland Raiders for a fourth-round selection.

Adam Schefter of the NFL Network reported that Philadelphia, the New York Giants and Buffalo also were negotiating with the Chiefs. He reported that one team offered a third-round pick, another team offered a fourth-round pick and another team offered an unidentified choice plus a player.

An NFL source told the Journal Sentinel that the Bills weren’t a factor because Gonzalez didn’t want to play for them.

According to the source, Gonzalez was livid that the rebuilding Chiefs (1-4), for whom he has caught tight-end record totals of 841 passes for 10,075 yards and 68 touchdowns, refused to let him go for a third-round pick.

Gonzalez, who made the Pro Bowl for a record ninth straight time last season, was highly regarded by coach Mike McCarthy and several members of his staff in Green Bay.

McCarthy coached quarterbacks in Kansas City in 1997 and ’98, Gonzalez’s first two seasons there. Several of his coaches, including Tom Clements, Mike Stock, Carl Hairston and Kurt Schottenheimer, also spent time in Kansas City during Gonzalez’s career, as did vice president Russ Ball and personnel director John Schneider.

As it stands now, the Packers will have their seven choices in the 2009 draft plus a sixth-round pick from New Orleans and no worse than a fourth-round pick from the New York Jets in the trade for Brett Favre.

The compensation for Favre reportedly will increase to a third if Favre plays at least 50% of the snaps, and to a second if he plays at least 70% and the Jets reach the playoffs.

If the trade with Green Bay had been consummated, the Packers would have picked up the final 3½ years of Gonzalez’s contract, or a total amount of $19.397 million.

This year, Green Bay would have had to pay 11/17ths of his guaranteed $1 million base salary, or $647,059. His contract included base salaries of $4 million in 2009 (all guaranteed), $4.5 million in 2010 ($1.75 million guaranteed) and $5.75 million in 2011, and roster bonuses of $500,000 in ’09, $2 million in ’10 and $2 million in ’11.

The Packers currently stand $20.05 million beneath the salary cap, a total exceeded by only Tampa Bay and Kansas City among the 32 teams.

By adding Gonzalez, the Packers’ weapons on offense would have compared favorably with any team in the NFL. His ability to make clutch possession catches and stretch the field was evident last season in Week 8, when he caught 10 passes for 109 yards and one touchdown against Green Bay.

Gonzalez recently requested a trade from the Chiefs because he wanted the chance to play for a playoff contender.

“I’m winding down in my career and I’m thinking this is not what I signed on for last year when I redid my deal,” Gonzalez said in August. “I haven’t even won a playoff game. You can look back and say you had a pretty good career, but I want to be able to say I went to the playoffs, I won some playoff games and I went to the Super Bowl.”

The Packers signed tight end Donald Lee to a four-year, $11.88 million deal last November when he was an integral part of their passing game. But Lee has been less involved with Aaron Rodgers at quarterback.

Tory Humphrey is the No. 2 tight end and rookie Jermichael Finley, a third-round draft choice, is No. 3. Finley has been slow to develop and doesn’t have a reception.

Under Thompson, the Packers have drafted eight players in the second round. The list include Nick Collins, Terrence Murphy, Daryn Colledge, Greg Jennings, Brandon Jackson, Jordy Nelson, Brian Brohm and Pat Lee.

Tom Silverstein of the Journal Sentinel staff contributed to this report.

HC_Chief · 10-15-2008, 10:49 AM

Carl needs to be shot.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 10-15-2008, 10:53 AM

I can't help but think that if Tony hadn't waited until Week 3 of the regular season to request this trade, that something might have happened.

Frazod · 10-15-2008, 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

I can't help but think that if Tony hadn't waited until Week 3 of the regular season to request this trade, that something might have happened.

Sorry, I don't buy that for a second. This was just Carl being Carl.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 10-15-2008, 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by frazod

Sorry, I don't buy that for a second. This was just Carl being Carl.

Don't get me wrong, Tim. Carl ****ed up by not taking the 3rd, IMO.

I'm just wondering if the Packers (especially) had been given more time to contemplate this deal, would they have coughed up that 2nd round pick?

The tone of the article implies they were at least considering it.

Demonpenz · 10-15-2008, 10:58 AM

damn it would be nice to see Rogers a young qb worth with a vet like toney

FAX · 10-15-2008, 11:04 AM

According to this article, either Buffalo or the Giants offered a fourth - not a third. That is, if I'm reading this correctly. If the Giants did actually offer a third, it would be the equivalent of a fourth, anyhow. There's far too much misinformation afoot on this deal to know what to think about it.

Gonzo was correct not to shuffle off to Buffalo, though. That's like playing in Antarctica. He would freeze off his tonys.

FAX

KCrockaholic · 10-15-2008, 11:04 AM

Tony didnt deserve this

Frazod · 10-15-2008, 11:10 AM

It seems pretty clear that for Tony the last straw was being dissed by the team during the Denver game. Would a pass have been riskier than a run up the gut? Sure. But WHO CARES? It's not like we were playing for a first round bye here. I think if he gets that pass and his three yards, none of this shit ever would have ever happened in the first place.

philfree · 10-15-2008, 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by frazod

It seems pretty clear that for Tony the last straw was being dissed by the team during the Denver game. Would a pass have been riskier than a run up the gut? Sure. But WHO CARES? It's not like we were playing for a first round bye here. I think if he gets that pass and his three yards, none of this shit ever would have ever happened in the first place.

I agree 100%.

Tony is a great player who is playing out his hall of fame career on the rebuilding Chiefs. He's given his all his whole career. For one moment Herm could have given a little back to show his appreciation for what Tony is doing on the POS team. Herm couldn't do that though and Tony felt jilted so he asked to be traded.

Too bad! So sad!

PhilFree

CoMoChief · 10-15-2008, 11:34 AM

**** THIS TEAM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

**dirk digler** · 10-15-2008, 11:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

I can't help but think that if Tony hadn't waited until Week 3 of the regular season to request this trade, that something might have happened.

Did you just read that Tony said he would play 3 more years?

StcChief · 10-15-2008, 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by frazod

It seems pretty clear that for Tony the last straw was being dissed by the team during the Denver game. Would a pass have been riskier than a run up the gut? Sure. But WHO CARES? It's not like we were playing for a first round bye here. I think if he gets that pass and his three yards, none of this shit ever would have ever happened in the first place.

yep.... that likely was the last straw in TG's mind....

an Off-season move will surely happen. Hope TG gets thru season un-injured

**OnTheWarpath15** · 10-15-2008, 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by dirk digler

Did you just read that Tony said he would play 3 more years?

PLANNED to play 3 more years. For the Packers. Not the Chiefs.

I PLAN on having my degree by the end of 2009. But I'm not guaranteeing it, because life happens, and I reserve the right to change my mind.

I didn't see anywhere in that article that he said he'd guarantee his new team he'd play 3 more years.

It's a moot point anyway, seeing as how he wasn't traded.

Sure-Oz · 10-15-2008, 11:56 AM

Chiefs lose either way...

10-15-2008, 10:48 AM
Bill Lundberg American Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Overland Park Casino cash: $10004925	Packers Also offered a 3rd Rounder http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=806267 Bid to land Gonzalez falls short Chiefs were willing to deal star tight end for second-round pick By BOB McGINN bmcginn@journalsentinel.com Posted: Oct. 15, 2008 Green Bay - The Green Bay Packers could have acquired tight end Tony Gonzalez from the Kansas City Chiefs on Tuesday but they refused to part with a second-round draft choice. A source familiar with negotiations told the Journal Sentinel that Chiefs President Carl Peterson ultimately decided to retain Gonzalez after turning down the best offer from Green Bay, which was a third-round selection. The source said Peterson wanted a second-rounder to make the deal. The decision by general manager Ted Thompson not to send the second-round pick to Kansas City was made just minutes before the National Football League trading deadline of 3 p.m. During a day of talks between Green Bay and Kansas City, the Packers increased their compensation offer several times. A source said Gonzalez had told the Chiefs that he would accept a trade to the Packers, and planned to play three more seasons. This was another example of Thompson’s unwillingness to pull the trigger on a blockbuster trade to obtain another weapon on offense. In 2006, Thompson had the chance to send a high draft choice to San Diego Chargers for running back Michael Turner. A year later, Thompson didn’t push hard enough to get wide receiver Randy Moss under contract and watched the New England Patriots acquire him from the Oakland Raiders for a fourth-round selection. Adam Schefter of the NFL Network reported that Philadelphia, the New York Giants and Buffalo also were negotiating with the Chiefs. He reported that one team offered a third-round pick, another team offered a fourth-round pick and another team offered an unidentified choice plus a player. An NFL source told the Journal Sentinel that the Bills weren’t a factor because Gonzalez didn’t want to play for them. According to the source, Gonzalez was livid that the rebuilding Chiefs (1-4), for whom he has caught tight-end record totals of 841 passes for 10,075 yards and 68 touchdowns, refused to let him go for a third-round pick. Gonzalez, who made the Pro Bowl for a record ninth straight time last season, was highly regarded by coach Mike McCarthy and several members of his staff in Green Bay. McCarthy coached quarterbacks in Kansas City in 1997 and ’98, Gonzalez’s first two seasons there. Several of his coaches, including Tom Clements, Mike Stock, Carl Hairston and Kurt Schottenheimer, also spent time in Kansas City during Gonzalez’s career, as did vice president Russ Ball and personnel director John Schneider. As it stands now, the Packers will have their seven choices in the 2009 draft plus a sixth-round pick from New Orleans and no worse than a fourth-round pick from the New York Jets in the trade for Brett Favre. The compensation for Favre reportedly will increase to a third if Favre plays at least 50% of the snaps, and to a second if he plays at least 70% and the Jets reach the playoffs. If the trade with Green Bay had been consummated, the Packers would have picked up the final 3½ years of Gonzalez’s contract, or a total amount of $19.397 million. This year, Green Bay would have had to pay 11/17ths of his guaranteed $1 million base salary, or $647,059. His contract included base salaries of $4 million in 2009 (all guaranteed), $4.5 million in 2010 ($1.75 million guaranteed) and $5.75 million in 2011, and roster bonuses of $500,000 in ’09, $2 million in ’10 and $2 million in ’11. The Packers currently stand $20.05 million beneath the salary cap, a total exceeded by only Tampa Bay and Kansas City among the 32 teams. By adding Gonzalez, the Packers’ weapons on offense would have compared favorably with any team in the NFL. His ability to make clutch possession catches and stretch the field was evident last season in Week 8, when he caught 10 passes for 109 yards and one touchdown against Green Bay. Gonzalez recently requested a trade from the Chiefs because he wanted the chance to play for a playoff contender. “I’m winding down in my career and I’m thinking this is not what I signed on for last year when I redid my deal,” Gonzalez said in August. “I haven’t even won a playoff game. You can look back and say you had a pretty good career, but I want to be able to say I went to the playoffs, I won some playoff games and I went to the Super Bowl.” The Packers signed tight end Donald Lee to a four-year, $11.88 million deal last November when he was an integral part of their passing game. But Lee has been less involved with Aaron Rodgers at quarterback. Tory Humphrey is the No. 2 tight end and rookie Jermichael Finley, a third-round draft choice, is No. 3. Finley has been slow to develop and doesn’t have a reception. Under Thompson, the Packers have drafted eight players in the second round. The list include Nick Collins, Terrence Murphy, Daryn Colledge, Greg Jennings, Brandon Jackson, Jordy Nelson, Brian Brohm and Pat Lee. Tom Silverstein of the Journal Sentinel staff contributed to this report.
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Frazod Did you hear what I said? Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $-566615	It seems pretty clear that for Tony the last straw was being dissed by the team during the Denver game. Would a pass have been riskier than a run up the gut? Sure. But WHO CARES? It's not like we were playing for a first round bye here. I think if he gets that pass and his three yards, none of this shit ever would have ever happened in the first place.
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