NFL Draft Well, We Probably Should Have a Brian Orakpo Thread...

'Hamas' Jenkins · 11-10-2008, 01:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare

That's the whole point about this whole discussion, securing the O-line which makes or breaks careers.

No, it's not.

You are conflating one guy with being an entire O-line, while simultaneously being completely incapable of realizing that teams like the '99 Rams and '07 Patriots had far better offenses than we ever did with significantly worse offensive lines. That's not to take the Colts into account, who were every bit our rival on offense, despite the fact that outside of Saturday and Glenn, they mostly traded in poo on their o-line.

My God, look at the Cowboys O-line. Gurode, Adams, Leonard Davis, Columbo, and without Romo, that offense is absolute shit.

You are making a binary argument that if we don't throw all our assets at OL that we are somehow completely ignoring it.

History shows that you can find pro bowl level interior lineman with mid round picks, and even if you don't get a gem, you can still find tons of serviceable starters.

**Tribal Warfare** · 11-10-2008, 01:24 AM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

No, it's not.

You are conflating one guy with being an entire O-line, while simultaneously being completely incapable of realizing that teams like the '99 Rams and '07 Patriots had far better offenses than we ever did with significantly worse offensive lines. That's not to take the Colts into account, who were every bit our rival on offense, despite the fact that outside of Saturday and Glenn, they mostly traded in poo on their o-line.

Dude those teams had great lines. Infact, I believe The Rams had two 1st round picks on that line( Pace, Baron).

Basileus777 · 11-10-2008, 01:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare

Dude those teams had great lines. Infact, I believe The Rams had two 1st round picks on that line( Pace, Baron).

Alex Barron was drafted in 2005, long after the Rams had ceased to be any good. And Barron sucks anyway.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 11-10-2008, 01:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare

Dude those teams had great lines. Infact, I believe The Rams had two 1st round picks on that line( Pace, Baron).

Those teams did not have great lines. The '99 Rams had Timmerman and Pace.

Alex Barron wasn't even drafted until 2005. I don't know WTF you are talking about.

The '99 Rams had 1 #1 overall pick, a 4th, 5th, and two 7th rounders on their line.

The '07 Pats had a 1, 2, 3, 5, and UD player on their line. And their #1 pick was the last of the first round.

**Tribal Warfare** · 11-10-2008, 01:31 AM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Those teams did not have great lines. The '99 Rams had Timmerman and Pace.

Alex Barron wasn't even drafted until 2005. I don't know WTF you are talking about.

The '99 Rams had 1 #1 overall pick, a 4th, 5th, and two 7th rounders on their line.

The '07 Pats had a 1, 2, 3, 5, and UD player on their line. And their #1 pick was the last of the first round.

The BPA, sucks if it's an OL, DE,QB ect... I get your drift. Draft for "positional value" is another way in saying need

'Hamas' Jenkins · 11-10-2008, 01:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare

The BPA, sucks if it's an OL, DE,QB ect... I get your drift. Draft for "positional value" is another way in saying need

No, it's a way of saying, "I'm not a ****ing moron, and I realize that there are still going to be a dickton of guards available in the 3rd round."

You don't even know what BPA is. You are going solely off of grades. Do you really think that a 3-4 team would taken Glenn Dorsey? Or a Cover 2 team take Vontae Davis in the top 5?

**Tribal Warfare** · 11-10-2008, 01:37 AM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

No, it's a way of saying, "I'm not a ****ing moron, and I realize that there are still going to be a dickton of guards available in the 3rd round."

I'll reitirate once more If the BPA is a position "of great need" alright sweet, but if it's at another you got to take him because of the fact putting your absolute best players on the field.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 11-10-2008, 01:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare

I'll reitirate once more If the BPA is a position "of great need" alright sweet, but if it's at another you got to take him because of the fact putting your absolute best players on the field.

And that works great when you aren't picking in the top five.

Furthermore:

3-4 ILBs= worthless in a cover 2

3-4 Ends=worthless in a cover 2

3-4 NT= worthless in a cover 2

Scheme matters.

**Tribal Warfare** · 11-10-2008, 01:42 AM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

You don't even know what BPA is. You are going solely off of grades. Do you really think that a 3-4 team would taken Glenn Dorsey? Or a Cover 2 team take Vontae Davis in the top 5?

The pats drafted Seymour and he's an all-world DT playing RE with Wilfork in the middle. Great players find ways in getting on the field .

'Hamas' Jenkins · 11-10-2008, 01:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare

The pats drafted Seymour and he's an all-world DT playing RE with Wilfork in the middle. Great players find ways in getting on the field .

Are you ****ing reeruned?

1) They play a 3-4.
2) Seymour is a 3-4 end, and is too small to be a consistent 3-4 NT. He can play 3 Technique in a 4-3, but not NT in a 3-4 and be a consistent clogger.
3) Seymour was drafted before Wilfork.
4) The Pats spent three first rounders on their D-Line and 1 on their o-line.

What does that tell you?