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Fat Elvis · 12-01-2008, 09:35 AM

What impact does having falling from #2 to #5 have on our draft?

Mecca · 12-01-2008, 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

No its the underclassman I think its Griffin? Is that right.

Oh Everson, he's a freak too but only a true sophomore so I wasn't really thinking about him.

ChiefsCountry · 12-01-2008, 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

Oh Everson, he's a freak too but only a true sophomore so I wasn't really thinking about him.

Thats him.

He is going to be a stud in the NFL.

RedThat · 12-01-2008, 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

If you want a guy who is an athletic freak, runs like a CB built like a LB that can cover the entire deep middle by himself, then you'll love him. Plus he has room to improve. He's still very raw as a blitzer because he's very seldom asked to do that because of his skill in coverage.

I'd take him because what Taylor Mays brings is special, he allows the team to blitz because his range allows him to get to places most other guys never could.

Love those qualities but I look for more. Is he is a good tackler? Because the other guys aren't. Does he have the ability to close in on angles and gaps quickly enough? Can he shed off blocks? Is he a smart football player? Does he have the ability to read an offense? Can he read a QB's eyes well enough to point where he doesn't bite on fakes and stuff. I look for good discipline, read and react, timing, physciality, smarts, reputation...is he a team first guy?

duncan_idaho · 12-01-2008, 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

If you want a guy who is an athletic freak, runs like a CB built like a LB that can cover the entire deep middle by himself, then you'll love him. Plus he has room to improve. He's still very raw as a blitzer because he's very seldom asked to do that because of his skill in coverage.

I'd take him because what Taylor Mays brings is special, he allows the team to blitz because his range allows him to get to places most other guys never could.

I like Mays, too. And would be OK with him at 5/6. But then again, I'm not one of the draftniks that is a stickler for positional value.

Here's a thought: When was the last time there was an NFL draft with two guys who are as big of physical freaks at S as Mays and William Moore?

Moore is going to measure in at about 6-2 1/2, 230. If he's healthy (foot), he will run a 4.4ish time (somewhere between 4.35 and 4.45). His vertical leap will be around 40 inches.

He hasn't been placed in a system to take full advantage of his talents this year, but his physical ability is jaw dropping, just like Mays...

That's two guys with Sean Taylor-type athletic profiles in one draft. Only one in recent memory I can think of that has two such specimens...

Mecca · 12-01-2008, 02:20 PM

All the SC players understand scheme and discipline they do what they're asked to do in an NFL style scheme.

Mays essentially sacrifices big stats to have very blah ones to do what he's told to do which is cover the deep responsibility. Other teams avoid him in the pass game so that should tell you what they think of him. If anything Mays doesn't come up on the run till he knows the RB has the ball because he realizes what his responsibility is in the defense.

I'd call him a good tackler, but you can see the difference in him and other people when he goes to the ball he explodes.

Mecca · 12-01-2008, 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

I like Mays, too. And would be OK with him at 5/6. But then again, I'm not one of the draftniks that is a stickler for positional value.

Here's a thought: When was the last time there was an NFL draft with two guys who are as big of physical freaks at S as Mays and William Moore?

Moore is going to measure in at about 6-2 1/2, 230. If he's healthy (foot), he will run a 4.4ish time (somewhere between 4.35 and 4.45). His vertical leap will be around 40 inches.

He hasn't been placed in a system to take full advantage of his talents this year, but his physical ability is jaw dropping, just like Mays...

That's two guys with Sean Taylor-type athletic profiles in one draft. Only one in recent memory I can think of that has two such specimens...

Some people like Moore because he had the big stats as a junior...I guess it's what you like Mays will time a bit faster but his stats aren't as productive because of how he's used.

It's what you like Moore has had a big stat year where he was let to freelance and make plays Mays has always been in a system that never allowed that and he had to play disciplined in his scheme.

ChiefsCountry · 12-01-2008, 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by RedBull

Love those qualities but I look for more. Is he is a good tackler? Because the other guys aren't. Does he have the ability to close in on angles and gaps quickly enough? Can he shed off blocks? Is he a smart football player? Does he have the ability to read an offense? Can he read a QB's eyes well enough to point where he doesn't bite on fakes and stuff. I look for good discipline, read and react, timing, physciality, smarts, reputation...is he a team first guy?

Have you ever watched USC play? Mays is a freaking stud. And all the Trojan defense players play smart and stay to the game plan. Hell I cant stand USC but I will give them credit when credit is due.

Mecca · 12-01-2008, 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

Have you ever watched USC play? Mays is a freaking stud. And all the Trojan defense players play smart and stay to the game plan. Hell I cant stand USC but I will give them credit when credit is due.

It's the same thing with Keith Rivers last year, very few players on that defense will have giant statistical years because they play their assignments and know the other guys on the team are just as good as them and will make the play.

No one has to be a one man team with the 130 tackles and all that, that you see some guys do in some defenses.

**DaKCMan AP** · 12-01-2008, 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

It's the same thing with Keith Rivers last year, very few players on that defense will have giant statistical years because they play their assignments and know the other guys on the team are just as good as them and will make the play.

No one has to be a one man team with the 130 tackles and all that, that you see some guys do in some defenses.

::cough::jameslaurinaitis::cough::

Mecca · 12-01-2008, 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by DaKCMan AP

::cough::jameslaurinaitis::cough::

It's really to bad we won't get to see the Florida offense matchup with the SC defense...that's the best matchup out there...

I hope you enjoy your title after you kill Oklahoma.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 12-01-2008, 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by DaKCMan AP

::cough::jameslaurinaitis::cough::

If only there was a stat that combined your tackles, and how far from the LOS they occurred...

Seems like every time I watch an OSU game, JL makes a large number of his tackles 6-10 yards from the LOS.

Am I the only one that sees this?

evolve27 · 12-01-2008, 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

It's the same thing with Keith Rivers last year, very few players on that defense will have giant statistical years because they play their assignments and know the other guys on the team are just as good as them and will make the play.

No one has to be a one man team with the 130 tackles and all that, that you see some guys do in some defenses.

I'd take Maualuga over Mays if both were available either one hands down over Michael Johnson. Mays has offensive coordinator game plan changing ability. Maualuga could help our inept pass rush and plug the run and can cover with speed. Only knock is if he fits in our system, may be suited for 3-4. I think one of the Tackles would be better suited over them however at this point. Hope he can stay healthy in the Pros if we go ILB.

duncan_idaho · 12-01-2008, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

Some people like Moore because he had the big stats as a junior...I guess it's what you like Mays will time a bit faster but his stats aren't as productive because of how he's used.

It's what you like Moore has had a big stat year where he was let to freelance and make plays Mays has always been in a system that never allowed that and he had to play disciplined in his scheme.

I like Moore for the same reason I like Mays: because he's a phenomenal athlete with strong fundamentals. A lot of people are down on him after this year because he had a shitty year, statistically (because he was put in the slot half the time and blitzed nearly half of those situations), but I still like him. He's a rare athlete for a safety, to be able to carry that size without losing speed. He can lay the big hit but also is a strong fundamental tackler. Great short-area quickness and burst. Good ball skills, obviously, too.

He and Mays are both freaks of nature. I just don't remember there being two guys that freakish in the draft of late...

**The Franchise** · 12-01-2008, 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by the Talking Can

i'm getting there...DE is a more valuable position, but Mays is a better player than any DE available...i think, but i haven't watched the DEs much so...

I think Mays is a probowler...he looks like a freak flying around the usc defense

not sure orakpo is

that's the question...

if we got Mays/Spikes I'd be pretty stoked even though we'd still have a tragedy at the DE position...

What if we got a good DE in free agency? Suggs?

I'd be happy with a Suggs, Mays and Spikes offseason.

**BigMeatballDave** · 12-01-2008, 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Chief Faithful

I get to watch Stafford every week and all I can say is it would be in his best interest to stay in college and develop his game. He has maybe the best OL in the SEC and he still struggles eventhough he seldom gets touched. His footwork is horrific under pressure I mean really really bad moving around and stepping up in the pocket with pressure. Under a coach like Bill Walsh he may become a good NFL QB because he has size and arm strength, but he will need a lot of time under a good QB coach to pull it out of him. With Dick Curl as QB coach the guy would be the next coming of Todd Blackledge in KC.

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Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $-652950	All the SC players understand scheme and discipline they do what they're asked to do in an NFL style scheme. Mays essentially sacrifices big stats to have very blah ones to do what he's told to do which is cover the deep responsibility. Other teams avoid him in the pass game so that should tell you what they think of him. If anything Mays doesn't come up on the run till he knows the RB has the ball because he realizes what his responsibility is in the defense. I'd call him a good tackler, but you can see the difference in him and other people when he goes to the ball he explodes.
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