Chiefs With 4 games left on the schedule .....

**cdcox** · 12-01-2008, 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

About 5 of us out of the 10,000 members see it this way. It's astounding how so many people are missing the big picture.

Well, I guess "astounding" is the correct word for Chiefsplanet.

Stupid is more like it.

Dane and OnTheWarpath58, I'm really trying to understand the position that you are taking. I know neither one of you are fans of Herm. The way I see it is that we are at a crossroads as a rebuilding team.

I picture the Chiefs journey as an attempt to scale Mount Everest. I know how challenging this task is -- I could easily fail even with the best preparation. So I'm planning this very carefully. I'm getting all the right equipment, getting in shape, learning the basics of mountain climbing, and everything else I need to do to make sure I'm ready before I start my journey. I'm ready to start climbing a series of increasingly challenging mountains, that will serve as training for my assault of Everest. I thought I was all set, then I read in a magazine that my hiking boots are not rated for the low temperatures of Everest. This is a huge set back because I;m realdy to start the series of climbs now, and the boots are good enough for all of them except Everest. If I buy new boots, I'll need to spend several months breaking them in on routine hikes and I'll have to delay all of the climbs that I'd planned. So I'm faced with a choice: 1) I do what is needful and buy the right boots, take the time to break them in, then start on my series of climbs; or 2) I press ahead with a pair of boots that I have now, since they are good enough for me to become a very accomplished mountain climber, and there is nothing wrong with that.

We have to lose to get rid of Herm. The rest of this season and maybe next season too. If we start winning, we are going to have him around for another 5 to 10 years., easily. I'm willing to lose now. I'm not willing to take my chances on Herm.

How do you reconcile your opinion of our coach and the desire for an outcome that will ensure he's around for a good long time? This is an honest question.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 12-01-2008, 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by cdcox

Dane and OnTheWarpath58, I'm really trying to understand the position that you are taking. I know neither one of you are fans of Herm. The way I see it is that we are at a crossroads as a rebuilding team.

I picture the Chiefs journey as an attempt to scale Mount Everest. I know how challenging this task is -- I could easily fail even with the best preparation. So I'm planning this very carefully. I'm getting all the right equipment, getting in shape, learning the basics of mountain climbing, and everything else I need to do to make sure I'm ready before I start my journey. I'm ready to start climbing a series of increasingly challenging mountains, that will serve as training for my assault of Everest. I thought I was all set, then I read in a magazine that my hiking boots are not rated for the low temperatures of Everest. This is a huge set back because I;m realdy to start the series of climbs now, and the boots are good enough for all of them except Everest. If I buy new boots, I'll need to spend several months breaking them in on routine hikes and I'll have to delay all of the climbs that I'd planned. So I'm faced with a choice: 1) I do what is needful and buy the right boots, take the time to break them in, then start on my series of climbs; or 2) I press ahead with a pair of boots that I have now, since they are good enough for me to become a very accomplished mountain climber, and there is nothing wrong with that.

We have to lose to get rid of Herm. The rest of this season and maybe next season too. If we start winning, we are going to have him around for another 5 to 10 years., easily. I'm willing to lose now. I'm not willing to take my chances on Herm.

How do you reconcile your opinion of our coach and the desire for an outcome that will ensure he's around for a good long time? This is an honest question.

I thought I made it pretty clear.

Before the season started, people just expected improvement over the last half of the season.

Now, while not necessarily resulting in wins, there has been significant improvement in the last 6 games over the first 6 games.

So, instead of sticking to their word, and being happy with the improvement, people would rather bitch that we've ruined our draft position.

Nothing more, nothing less.

To answer this question:

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How do you reconcile your opinion of our coach and the desire for an outcome that will ensure he's around for a good long time? This is an honest question.

I'm of the opinion, that while the absolute wrong decision, that Clark decided before the season even started that Herm would be back in 2009 regardless of what happened in 2008.

If you could GUARANTEE that losing out would cost Herm his job, then for the first time in my life, I'd root as hard as I could against my favorite team.

But since you can't, I'm going to enjoy what little I can for the 4 remaining Sundays in the season - and not get worked up about where we may or may not be picking, or who may or may not be coaching the team in 2009.

**cdcox** · 12-01-2008, 10:16 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

I thought I made it pretty clear.

Before the season started, people just expected improvement over the last half of the season.

Now, while not necessarily resulting in wins, there has been significant improvement in the last 6 games over the first 6 games.

So, instead of sticking to their word, and being happy with the improvement, people would rather bitch that we've ruined our draft position.

Nothing more, nothing less.

To answer this question:

I'm of the opinion, that while the absolute wrong decision, that Clark decided before the season even started that Herm would be back in 2009 regardless of what happened in 2008.

If you could GUARANTEE that losing out would cost Herm his job, then for the first time in my life, I'd root as hard as I could against my favorite team.

But since you can't, I'm going to enjoy what little I can for the 4 remaining Sundays in the season - and not get worked up about where we may or may not be picking, or who may or may not be coaching the team in 2009.

Thanks.

I agree that we've improved over the course of the season. That hasn't changed my opinion on whether Herm is a good coach.

I'm fully committed to losing in 2009 too, if that's what it takes. I'll root for victories in the beginning of the season, and see what happens. But I'd rather have a bad season next year and be done with Herm than limp into the the playoffs and enter football purgatory where you are good enough to make the playoffs but not good enough to compete for a World Championship.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 12-01-2008, 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by cdcox

Thanks.

I agree that we've improved over the course of the season. That hasn't changed my opinion on whether Herm is a good coach.

I'm fully committed to losing in 2009 too, if that's what it takes. I'll root for victories in the beginning of the season, and see what happens. But I'd rather have a bad season next year and be done with Herm than limp into the the playoffs and enter football purgatory where you are good enough to make the playoffs but not good enough to compete for a World Championship.

Me either.

Fish · 12-01-2008, 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by cdcox

We have to lose to get rid of Herm. The rest of this season and maybe next season too. If we start winning, we are going to have him around for another 5 to 10 years., easily. I'm willing to lose now. I'm not willing to take my chances on Herm.

Sometimes I get the feeling that people's opinions are more important to them than actual improvement of the team. They'd rather be right and see the team suffer than be wrong and see improvement.

Reerun_KC · 12-01-2008, 10:16 PM

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Originally Posted by KC Fish

Sometimes I get the feeling that people's opinions are more important to them than actual improvement of the team. They'd rather be right and see the team suffer than be wrong and see improvement.

um... I say it goes for both sides.... The Herm sack riders are loving the limited improvement and hanging on anything they can, cherry picking games, stats anything to make them look like they really see improvement.

While the others look at the whole body of work and try to rationalize what has transpired from day one til current day.

There has been improvement and regression during Herms tenure on many aspects of this team... Regardless, this is a bad, bad typical Herm football team...

**cdcox** · 12-01-2008, 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by KC Fish

Sometimes I get the feeling that people's opinions are more important to them than actual improvement of the team. They'd rather be right and see the team suffer than be wrong and see improvement.

If the improvement leads to a SB win, I'm all for it. I've been wrong about lots of things before and will be wrong about lots of things to come. I hope I'm wrong about Herm and the Chief's future under him.

Improvement for improvement's sake -- I've eaten that shit sandwich for too long. I don't see the top end of Herm's vision leading to a dynasty. Again, I hope I'm wrong.