At number 3 the Chiefs should take a QB...

[Alphaman]

However, Chiefs fans should not expect the same results as those delivered by Flacco and Ryan. I say that for mainly one reason. Both Flacco and Ryan finished their senior years at their respective schools. That level of maturity and leadership experience certainly helped them in their preparation for their rookie year in the NFL.

Both Stafford and Bradford will be underclassmen if they come out. They won't have the same level of maturity or leadership experience when they hit the NFL. I know they are both leaders, but in college being a senior in the lockerroom carries a lot weight and respect even if there is a talented QB in the lockerroom as well.

Take Mizzou for example. Last season Chase Daniel was a leader on the team, but THE leaders on the team were Pig Brown and Martin Rucker. Seniors carry the big stick in college.

[Danman]

Originally Posted by BigChiefFan

Personally, if I'm in total build it from the ground up mode, I would actually prefer the YOUNGER of the QBs. He's got a chance to be a around a fews years longer, which can pay dividends in the long run. That's why I think when all things are equal, I'd rather build around 21/22 year olds, than 24 year olds, just my take. More bang for the buck if they pan out.

That's a good point. There are three QBs that will probably go in the first round if all three come out. I'm OK with drafting any of them and I don't care if we draft one at three or slide down a few spots. I believe you have to build with a franchise QB, and we are in position to take one, so let's do it.

[Mr. Laz]

Originally Posted by the Talking Can

why?

that's an incredibly stupid thing to say

lot's of good QBs aren't worth as crap their first year...

nobody cares what you think

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by the Talking Can

why?

that's an incredibly stupid thing to say

lot's of good QBs aren't worth as crap their first year...

Because teams that get poor performance out of the top 5 get tunnel vision and don't realize when they got a lemon. And a lot of that is because the GM forces the coach to start a lousy QB because of the huge contract they get and because they don't want to admit they made a mistake.

It took a ton of convincing to convince the Jags to give up on Leftwich, the Lions to give up on Harrington, the Cards on Leinart, etc.... If you're not careful on the draft pick franchise QB decision, it's a decision that could drag your franchise down for 3 years.

I'm fine with the Chiefs drafting a QB in the top 3. But they need to treat that QB like everybody else and only hand them and let them keep a job if they deserve it. We saw in Arizona how anxious they always were to use Leinart, even if Warner performed extremely well.

[KChiefs1]

It generally takes a QB three years to develop.

[Mr. Laz]

Originally Posted by KChiefs1

It generally takes a QB three years to develop.

then why the hell is everyone giving up on Thigpen already?

[Tribal Warfare]

Originally Posted by Laz

then why the hell is everyone giving up on Thigpen already?

spread/option QB who struggles with reading defenses and footwork.

[Mr. Laz]

Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare

spread/option QB who struggles with reading defenses and footwork.

ok ...... so if we draft a QB at #3 then he just can't stuggle with reading defenses and footwork?

hey, i'm just trying to understand the rules


alot of people seem to play loose and easy with the rules depend on whether they personally like the guy or not.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by Laz

then why the hell is everyone giving up on Thigpen already?

Because there are a lot more question marks for Thigpen, and he really left them hanging.

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by Laz

then why the hell is everyone giving up on Thigpen already?

Because he's not "their guy."

Trust me, if we do take a QB in R1, all the excuses that people have been dismissing about Thigpen will be flying wild with the new kid.

It's just how this place operates - lack of objectivity is astounding.

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by Laz

ok ...... so if we draft a QB at #3 then he just can't stuggle with reading defenses and footwork?

hey, i'm just trying to understand the rules


alot of people seem to play loose and easy with the rules depend on whether they personally like the guy or not.

That's exactly it, you beat me to it.

[Tribal Warfare]

Originally Posted by Laz

ok ...... so if we draft a QB at #3 then he just can't stuggle with reading defenses and footwork?

First of all KC doesn't have time to develop a RB turned QB in Thigpen, which would take about four seasons if he can start reading defenses and not zoning on one or two players, study film, get significantly better on his accuracy, and start working under center that would help the overall production of the offense in the red zone. Stafford is light years ahead of Thigpen in all those categories.

[RINGLEADER]

Originally Posted by Laz

if we take a QB at #3 we BETTER get a flacco/Ryan performance or better!!

Won't happen. Not with this defense. I've said it before and the stats (which are unfortunately the only piece of data we have to go off of guys) bear it out that when Flacco and Ryan and Rothlisberger and any new starter doesn't have a stout defense they don't do so well. This season when Flacco and Ryan have had to put the game on their arm they're a collective 0-8.

If we had Ryan or Flacco this past season I'm not sure we would have won more games or been anywhere near as competitive.

That said (and to the point of this thread), if we take a QB with #3 and let Thigpen have another season to prove himself or cede the job I'm okay with that too.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Because he's not "their guy."

Trust me, if we do take a QB in R1, all the excuses that people have been dismissing about Thigpen will be flying wild with the new kid.

It's just how this place operates - lack of objectivity is astounding.

Here's how I see it.
(Is that a verbal crutch?)

Thigpen stiil has more question marks than any of the top 3 QBs discussed.

For Bradford, the questions are whether he can transition to the NFL and make reads and the more difficult throws in the NFL.

For Stafford, can he become a better decision maker.

For Sanchez, can he play at the same level without the blue chip talent surrounding him.

All the questions that will follow Bradford and Stafford into the NFL are questions that Thigpen hasn't really answered yet himself.

Those questions are the reason that a lot of people find it difficult to jump on the TT bandwagon.

While I am willing to give Thigpen time to answer those question, I can understand why people have legitimate concerns.

But, while I am willing to give him time, I also would rather not go into the next season with Thigpen as the only option.

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by milkman

Here's how I see it.
(Is that a verbal crutch?)

Thigpen stiil has more question marks than any of the top 3 QBs discussed.

For Bradford, the questions are whether he can transition to the NFL and make reads and the more difficult throws in the NFL.

For Stafford, can he become a better decision maker.

For Sanchez, can he play at the same level without the blue chip talent surrounding him.

All the questions that will follow Bradford and Stafford into the NFL are questions that Thigpen hasn't really answered yet himself.

Those questions are the reason that a lot of people find it difficult to jump on the TT bandwagon.

While I am willing to give Thigpen time to answer those question, I can understand why people have legitimate concerns.

But, while I am willing to give him time, I also would rather not go into the next season with Thigpen as the only option.

We're in total agreement, but you know damn good and well that we're in the minority.

You have people saying that a QB should get 3 years to develop, and then those same people saying Thigpen SHOULDN'T get three years because he can't be "fixed" in three years.

Bit of a double standard, dontchathink?

[Gravedigger]

Originally Posted by Alphaman

However, Chiefs fans should not expect the same results as those delivered by Flacco and Ryan. I say that for mainly one reason. Both Flacco and Ryan finished their senior years at their respective schools. That level of maturity and leadership experience certainly helped them in their preparation for their rookie year in the NFL.

Both Stafford and Bradford will be underclassmen if they come out. They won't have the same level of maturity or leadership experience when they hit the NFL. I know they are both leaders, but in college being a senior in the lockerroom carries a lot weight and respect even if there is a talented QB in the lockerroom as well.

Take Mizzou for example. Last season Chase Daniel was a leader on the team, but THE leaders on the team were Pig Brown and Martin Rucker. Seniors carry the big stick in college.

And this deserves a new thread why? Draft a QB at #3, yes we know we've been talking about it for about a year now. Watch out they could be inexperienced, well yeah... so could any other player we take. We've determined this a long time ago, we could get Ryan Leaf or we could get John Elway, we know this! The difference between Matt Stafford and Sam Bradford might be catostrophically different, however I'm hoping that both are viable NFL QBs.