NFL Draft At number 3 the Chiefs should take a QB...

**cdcox** · 01-03-2009, 01:21 PM

Double standards work both ways.

I love how some people on this board were calling JaMarcus Russell a bust in his first year of starting then turn around and drool all over Thigpen. They basically had the same kind of season.

Thigpen had a good season. Maybe he will develop into a franchise QB but he has a long way to go. He's still a long shot. I'd rather not invest another 2 years hoping he develops into a franchise guy. Yes, I'd be more patient with someone who has a better pedigree. The chances of success are much better because they are bringing something to the table that the 7th rounder just doesn't have.

I also see an inherent weakness in Thigpen's deep ball. He has good velocity on short and medium passes, but he constantly underthrows on the long ball. I don't think that can be fixed by coaching or conditioning.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 01-03-2009, 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by cdcox

Double standards work both ways.

I love how some people on this board were calling JaMarcus Russell a bust in his first year of starting then turn around and drool all over Thigpen. They basically had the same kind of season.

Thigpen had a good season. Maybe he will develop into a franchise QB but he has a long way to go. He's still a long shot. I'd rather not invest another 2 years hoping he develops into a franchise guy. Yes, I'd be more patient with someone who has a better pedigree. The chances of success are much better because they are bringing something to the table that the 7th rounder just doesn't have.

I also see an inherent weakness in Thigpen's deep ball. He has good velocity on short and medium passes, but he constantly underthrows on the long ball. I don't think that can be fixed by coaching or conditioning.

I disagree.

I absolutely think it can be corrected. It could literally be as easy as stepping into his deep throws - something he DOES NOT do.

He just kind of flips it out there.

The kid has too strong an arm to convince me he can't throw the ball more than 30 yards downfield. It's a footwork issue.

**cdcox** · 01-03-2009, 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

I disagree.

I absolutely think it can be corrected. It could literally be as easy as stepping into his deep throws - something he DOES NOT do.

He just kind of flips it out there.

The kid has too strong an arm to convince me he can't throw the ball more than 30 yards downfield. It's a footwork issue.

Okay, I'll give you that. Good point.

chiefzilla1501 · 01-03-2009, 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by cdcox

Double standards work both ways.

I love how some people on this board were calling JaMarcus Russell a bust in his first year of starting then turn around and drool all over Thigpen. They basically had the same kind of season.

Thigpen had a good season. Maybe he will develop into a franchise QB but he has a long way to go. He's still a long shot. I'd rather not invest another 2 years hoping he develops into a franchise guy. Yes, I'd be more patient with someone who has a better pedigree. The chances of success are much better because they are bringing something to the table that the 7th rounder just doesn't have.

I also see an inherent weakness in Thigpen's deep ball. He has good velocity on short and medium passes, but he constantly underthrows on the long ball. I don't think that can be fixed by coaching or conditioning.

Brady threw a really lousy below average long ball for 1 or 2 years. I remember him saying that his long balls weren't dipping and were difficult to catch. He spent an entire offseason working on those mechanics and his long ball improved markedly. Manning still overthrows his deep balls. If I'm not mistaken, Eli was so upset about his mechanics that he hired his own QBs coach to coach him into making better throws. Brady and Manning are not terrific at throwing the long ball. Their strength is on the short and intermediate routes. Personally, I think the ability to throw the long ball is grossly overrated.

As for Jamarcus vs. Thigpen, the difference is that the Raiders protected Jamarcus with a solid running game. Thigpen was in a pass-happy offense. It's rare to see a QB that inexperienced thrown into the offense that reliant on the pass. Much harder to be an effective QB when the defense is always expecting you to pass the ball.

Lex Luthors · 01-03-2009, 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Personally, I think the ability to throw the long ball is grossly overrated.

Agreed.

Just to refresh everybody's memory, the last time the Chiefs went deep in playoffs, Joe Montana was the QB. Montana couldn't throw a good long ball IN HIS PRIME, much less when he was with the Chiefs.

King_Chief_Fan · 01-03-2009, 02:27 PM

THe fact that Ryan and Flacco play behind a good o line is another reason they play better. Remember the Chiefs have to put Thig 15 yards back from the LOS to give him a chance.
Better quit worrying about a QB and build an O line first.
I am not convinced that Herm thinks Croyle is washed and will give him another run. I hope I am dead wrong about that.

Coogs · 01-03-2009, 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by King_Chief_Fan

Better quit worrying about a QB and build an O line first.

There well be a pretty good chance to get good O-linemen in the 2nd thru 4th round. And maybe not even reach for position, but taking the best player available. Most all of the top 100's out there have good o-line prospects right around our number. Granted those boards change a lot from now until the draft, but we can possibly fill several needs and still add a potential franchise QB.

Then there is still the 2010 draft, as I don't really see us making the Super Bowl next season given the schedule.

King_Chief_Fan · 01-03-2009, 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Coogs

There well be a pretty good chance to get good O-linemen in the 2nd thru 4th round. And maybe not even reach for position, but taking the best player available. Most all of the top 100's out there have good o-line prospects right around our number. Granted those boards change a lot from now until the draft, but we can possibly fill several needs and still add a potential franchise QB.

Then there is still the 2010 draft, as I don't really see us making the Super Bowl next season given the schedule.

I agree. But it seems thigpen success behind this line has caused some to forget that QB would need a great line to be successful. This gimmick crap that works for only half a game isn't cutting it. As you say, hopefully, plenty of o line types that can start and protect the qb and create lanes for the RB can be had.

Mecca · 01-03-2009, 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by King_Chief_Fan

I agree. But it seems thigpen success behind this line has caused some to forget that QB would need a great line to be successful. This gimmick crap that works for only half a game isn't cutting it. As you say, hopefully, plenty of o line types that can start and protect the qb and create lanes for the RB can be had.

Go look at some of the best teams in the league and tell me how many 1st round offensive lineman they have you'll see the answer is frequently 1 or none, there is no need to have a bunch of first round offensive lineman.

milkman · 01-03-2009, 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by King_Chief_Fan

THe fact that Ryan and Flacco play behind a good o line is another reason they play better. Remember the Chiefs have to put Thig 15 yards back from the LOS to give him a chance.
Better quit worrying about a QB and build an O line first.
I am not convinced that Herm thinks Croyle is washed and will give him another run. I hope I am dead wrong about that.

We've built freaking O-Lines in KC for the better part of 30 ****ing years, and where the **** has that ever gotten us?

Good God, you people are just too ****ing stupid to breathe.

smittysbar · 01-03-2009, 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman

We've built freaking O-Lines in KC for the better part of 30 ****ing years, and where the **** has that ever gotten us?

Good God, you people are just too ****ing stupid to breathe.

Yep, and a team isn't in this kind of position to try and get one very often.

King_Chief_Fan · 01-03-2009, 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman

We've built freaking O-Lines in KC for the better part of 30 ****ing years, and where the **** has that ever gotten us?

Good God, you people are just too ****ing stupid to breathe.

not stupid enough to think your opinion matters

**BigMeatballDave** · 01-03-2009, 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by King_Chief_Fan

Better quit worrying about a QB and build an O line first.

Um, both can be had this year. You do not draft a RT, G, or C in the 1st.

Mr. Laz · 01-03-2009, 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by cdcox

Double standards work both ways.

I love how some people on this board were calling JaMarcus Russell a bust in his first year of starting then turn around and drool all over Thigpen. They basically had the same kind of season.

Thigpen had a good season. Maybe he will develop into a franchise QB but he has a long way to go. He's still a long shot. I'd rather not invest another 2 years hoping he develops into a franchise guy. Yes, I'd be more patient with someone who has a better pedigree. The chances of success are much better because they are bringing something to the table that the 7th rounder just doesn't have.

I also see an inherent weakness in Thigpen's deep ball. He has good velocity on short and medium passes, but he constantly underthrows on the long ball. I don't think that can be fixed by coaching or conditioning.

did he just use a freakin faider as some kind of point?

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