NFL Draft Sanchez is on KABC-LA: Draft decision coming - Page 21

**DaneMcCloud** · 01-04-2009, 07:29 PM

He stated that he'll decide in the next 3-4 days whether he'll return to USC or enter the NFL Draft.

When asked whether a possible USC National Championship awaits him in 2009: "USC is in that position every year".

I think he'll enter the draft.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 01-05-2009, 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Brock

They'd still be trying to break Marino's records if he played CFB the way it is now.

Agreed.

Chiefnj2 · 01-05-2009, 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Yeah, because the game hasn't changed a bit in 25 years.

His accuracy and TD/INT ratio. They probably would have him in a spread today and everybody would be talking about how spread QB's don't make it in the NFL.

eazyb81 · 01-05-2009, 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Yeah, those guys Elway, Marino, Montana, Young, Peyton Manning, Troy Aikman, Tom Brady - whew, those guys had it TOUGH in college.

JFC.

Are you ****ing kidding me?

Elway didn't even make a bowl game while at Stanford. THAT IS ADVERSITY. THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT I AM TALKING ABOUT.

Do more research on the programs of the rest of the QBs you named, and then compare them to what USC is now.

Give me a f'n break.

**Lzen** · 01-05-2009, 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Whatever.

SOS shouldn't be determined until the season's completed. Considering the fact that all five Pac-10 teams won their bowl games (and one beat OSU), I'd say that strength of schedule is out the ****ing window.

IMO, OU's offense would be completely shut down by the best defense in the nation. USC will have as many as 10 guys drafted in April.

Can you say the same for OU's offense?

Are you saying that USC's defense will have as many as 10 guys drafted? Well, that is interesting. It's rather convenient that you can say that SOS should not be determined until the season's complete yet you will gladly use the 10 USC guys number for the NFL draft which has not happened yet.

We all know that OU has their share of top talent. They just have a coach like Marty Schottenheimer when it comes to bowl games.

Or perhaps Roy Williams would be a better comparison. A guy who early in his coaching career took KU to National Championship games and Final Fours and then started losing in the second round or sweet 16 for a few years. Perhaps Stoops will find the right formula once again to be able to win it all. Who knows?

Whatever, we just disagree on this and there is no point in continuing to argue. I will say this, though. If there were a playoff, all of this BS could be decided on the field. I really don't see any reason why they could not do a playof system. Just for the top 8-16 teams. They could still use the lesser bowls for teams that aren't BCS eligible. I would love to see that.

eazyb81 · 01-05-2009, 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Well, it's safe to say that practically no one "on this board" wanted Ryan last year either. Or Flacco.

So with all due respect save for a few people, I generally disregard 99% of the "opinions" around here regarding the draft.

Wrong. Luckily we have a neat little archive feature that allows us to see what people said last year before the draft.

I was a huge Ryan fan, I know Mecca was too, and I'm sure there were a few others. But most people focused too much on his INTs and blew him off.

Sweet Daddy Hate · 01-05-2009, 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by eazyb81

You're exaggerating like usual. I never said he "crumbles to the wagon" - I said there's a chance he would be less prepared than a similarly talented QB that did not play with such talented players.

Just like in real life, facing adversity and fighting through tough situations makes players stronger. If a player hasn't had the opportunity to face many tough situations or have the entire team's expectations on his shoulders, then the NFL could be a shock to him.

There is a reason why guys like Leinart, Vince Young, Rex Grossman, and Jamarcus Russell - guys that have come from football factories - have looked like busts early in their career. I don't think it's all just a lack of tools on their part.

There's no "looked like" about it. BUST.

**DaneMcCloud** · 01-05-2009, 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by eazyb81

You're exaggerating like usual. I never said he "crumbles to the wagon" - I said there's a chance he would be less prepared than a similarly talented QB that did not play with such talented players.

Just like in real life, facing adversity and fighting through tough situations makes players stronger. If a player hasn't had the opportunity to face many tough situations or have the entire team's expectations on his shoulders, then the NFL could be a shock to him.

There is a reason why guys like Leinart, Vince Young, Rex Grossman, and Jamarcus Russell - guys that have come from football factories - have looked like busts early in their career. I don't think it's all just a lack of tools on their part.

I'm sorry, there's no validity to your accusation.

Leinart looked great his first season playing in the modified WCO. Green was fired and Whisenhunt went to a vertical game. That's NOT his strength.

Young was a bust waiting to happen. He's a dimwitted dumb**** with emotional issues and a weird delivery. Why he went #3 overall is beyond me and if you do a search, you'll find that I said he'd be an NFL bust back in 2005.

Jamarcus Russell? See above. Rex Grossman?

Typical Steve Spurrier QB. How many of those guys have had successful NFL careers?

Why don't you go ahead throw Tim Couch, Cade McNown, Akili Smith and Ryan Leaf into your pile?

The bottom line is if a player has the talent to succeed in the NFL, he'll succeed, whether he comes from a winning program or not.

Oh, and how's that working for Jay Cutler? No winning seasons for four years at Vanderbilt. Using your flawed logic, he should be somewhere around 40-0 as a starting QB.

tooge · 01-05-2009, 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by doomy3

what are the sizes of all three of the QB Prospects, Sanchez, Stafford and Bradford?

I was told not to worry about it because size doesn't matter.

**DaneMcCloud** · 01-05-2009, 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Lzen

Are you saying that USC's defense will have as many as 10 guys drafted? Well, that is interesting. It's rather convenient that you can say that SOS should not be determined until the season's complete yet you will gladly use the 10 USC guys number for the NFL draft which has not happened yet.

We all know that OU has their share of top talent. They just have a coach like Marty Schottenheimer when it comes to bowl games.

Or perhaps Roy Williams would be a better comparison. A guy who early in his coaching career took KU to National Championship games and Final Fours and then started losing in the second round or sweet 16 for a few years. Perhaps Stoops will find the right formula once again to be able to win it all. Who knows?

Whatever, we just disagree on this and there is no point in continuing to argue. I will say this, though. If there were a playoff, all of this BS could be decided on the field. I really don't see any reason why they could not do a playof system. Just for the top 8-16 teams. They could still use the lesser bowls for teams that aren't BCS eligible. I would love to see that.

What's your ****ing point, Brad? IF, IF, IF, IF, IF? JFC, that's all you say. IF this, well, than that would happen.

As a matter of record, Brent Musberger during the broadcast said that as many as 10 USC defensive players could be drafted in the 2009 draft. Their defensive is vicious. This isn't just "speculation".

Let's revisit this after the draft in April, okay?

**DaneMcCloud** · 01-05-2009, 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by eazyb81

Are you ****ing kidding me?

Elway didn't even make a bowl game while at Stanford. THAT IS ADVERSITY. THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT I AM TALKING ABOUT.

Do more research on the programs of the rest of the QBs you named, and then compare them to what USC is now.

Give me a f'n break.

Ewww, Elway didn't make a bowl game.

Uh, he went to Stanford. He was regarded as the number one athlete in football and baseball.

There's nothing that would have stopped him from being successful in either sport.

Get it?

Sweet Daddy Hate · 01-05-2009, 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

I'm sorry, there's no validity to your accusation.

Leinart looked great his first season playing in the modified WCO. Green was fired and Whisenhunt went to a vertical game. That's NOT his strength.

Young was a bust waiting to happen. He's a dimwitted dumb**** with emotional issues and a weird delivery. Why he went #3 overall is beyond me and if you do a search, you'll find that I said he'd be an NFL bust back in 2005.

Jamarcus Russell? See above. Rex Grossman?

Typical Steve Spurrier QB. How many of those guys have had successful NFL careers?

Why don't you go ahead throw Tim Couch, Cade McNown, Akili Smith and Ryan Leaf into your pile?

The bottom line is if a player has the talent to succeed in the NFL, he'll succeed, whether he comes from a winning program or not.

Oh, and how's that working for Jay Cutler? No winning seasons for four years at Vanderbilt. Using your flawed logic, he should be somewhere around 40-0 as a starting QB.

Don't you understand that losing breeds winners, Dane?

eazyb81 · 01-05-2009, 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

I'm sorry, there's no validity to your accusation.

Leinart looked great his first season playing in the modified WCO. Green was fired and Whisenhunt went to a vertical game. That's NOT his strength.

Young was a bust waiting to happen. He's a dimwitted dumb**** with emotional issues and a weird delivery. Why he went #3 overall is beyond me and if you do a search, you'll find that I said he'd be an NFL bust back in 2005.

Jamarcus Russell? See above. Rex Grossman?

Typical Steve Spurrier QB. How many of those guys have had successful NFL careers?

Why don't you go ahead throw Tim Couch, Cade McNown, Akili Smith and Ryan Leaf into your pile?

The bottom line is if a player has the talent to succeed in the NFL, he'll succeed, whether he comes from a winning program or not.

Oh, and how's that working for Jay Cutler? No winning seasons for four years at Vanderbilt. Using your flawed logic, he should be somewhere around 40-0 as a starting QB.

I didn't say there was "validity"; I said it was a concern of mine, and I know I'm not alone. For you to assume that every QB is equally prepared for the adversity they will face early in their pro career is silly and a bit ignorant.

Leinart certainly did not look "great"; if he would have been great, teams would be knocking down Arizona's door to trade for him, but there hasn't been a peep and no one even talks about him now.

The only "flawed logic" here is you thinking a USC QB has to work as hard and has as much pressure to perform as a QB from any random BCS program. Matt Ryan faced tons of adversity in his college career at BC, and didn't miss a beat in his transition to the NFL; the same can be said for Jay Cutler, Big Ben, McNabb, etc.

Will Sanchez overcome this? I have no idea - no one does until we see how he performs. But don't sit here and act like the QBs with great physical tools that played in pro schemes are automatic locks to have success in the NFL. There are too many variables involved.

**DaneMcCloud** · 01-05-2009, 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Darth CarlSatan

Don't you understand that losing breeds winners, Dane?

I guess I'm having trouble with this concept.

**DaneMcCloud** · 01-05-2009, 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by eazyb81

I didn't say there was "validity"; I said it was a concern of mine, and I know I'm not alone. For you to assume that every QB is equally prepared for the adversity they will face early in their pro career is silly and a bit ignorant.

Leinart certainly did not look "great"; if he would have been great, teams would be knocking down Arizona's door to trade for him, but there hasn't been a peep and no one even talks about him now.

The only "flawed logic" here is you thinking a USC QB has to work as hard and has as much pressure to perform as a QB from any random BCS program. Matt Ryan faced tons of adversity in his college career at BC, and didn't miss a beat in his transition to the NFL; the same can be said for Jay Cutler, Big Ben, McNabb, etc.

Will Sanchez overcome this? I have no idea - no one does until we see how he performs. But don't sit here and act like the QBs with great physical tools that played in pro schemes are automatic locks to have success in the NFL. There are too many variables involved.

What adversity did McNabb or Rothlisberger face? And please tell us, what exactly has Jay Cutler won?

McNabb was a stud as Syracuse and Rothlisberger led his team to a bowl victory his senior season.

Please explain how not facing "adversity" affected the pro careers of the QB's I mentioned above: Brady, Manning, Marino, Elway, Montana, Young and Aikman.

I'll be waiting with baited breath.

eazyb81 · 01-05-2009, 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Ewww, Elway didn't make a bowl game.

Uh, he went to Stanford. He was regarded as the number one athlete in football and baseball.

There's nothing that would have stopped him from being successful in either sport.

Get it?

WTF? Do you still not understand? Has the California air paralyzed your brain?

Elways faced ADVERSITY in his college career because his team SUCKED. He was always, ALWAYS, expected to carry the team; he had to work harder to prepare for teams with more talent; and he had to do it on his own, without great receivers, without a great o-line, without a great defense to keep him in the game.

The fact that he went to Stanford has NOTHING to do with it. The fact that he was a stud athlete has NOTHING to do with it.

Elway had to deal with challenges and adversity that Sanchez has not had to deal with.

My God, and you seriously sit here and act like you don't have a USC bias.

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