Pioli's Draft Record (Good read.)

[T-post Tom]

Originally Posted by jAZ

Chiefs record? Drafted 5th, 15th, 23rd, 20th, 15th, 27th, 6th, 21st, 14th, 27th... Average: 17th pick.

2008 1 Glenn Dorsey Louisiana State (starter)
2008 1 Branden Albert Virginia (starter)
2007 1 Dwayne Bowe Louisiana State (starter)
2006 1 Tamba Hali Penn State (starter)
2005 1 Derrick O. Johnson Texas (starter)
2004 (none)
2003 1 Larry Johnson Penn State (starter, soon to be gone?)
2002 1 Ryan Sims North Carolina (bust)
2001 (none)
2000 1 Sylvester Morris Jackson State (bust)
1999 1 John Tait Brigham Young (gone)
1998 1 Victor Riley Auburn (bust)

Credit to Herm improving us in this area.

Starters...yes. But on a 2-14 team. I'm sold on Albert, but Dorsey is a mystery, Bowe's still dropping balls(not giving up hope), Hali looks overwhelmed as Allen's replacement(LB in 3-4?), DJ has been underwhelming(will a new coaching staff help?), and LJ is a shadow of his former self. Just my humble opinion.

[jAZ]

Originally Posted by T-post Tom

Starters...yes. But on a 2-14 team. I'm sold on Albert, but Dorsey is a mystery, Bowe's still dropping balls(not giving up hope), Hali looks overwhelmed as Allen's replacement(LB in 3-4?), DJ has been underwhelming(will a new coaching staff help?), and LJ is a shadow of his former self. Just my humble opinion.

I was trying to show the difference between a well run draft (Pioli) and a spotty draft (Carl). I just realized in the process that Herm deserves credit for improving over Carl. His strength was as a scout, and I think it's reflected in the absence of a Victor Riley, Ryan Sims, Trezell Jenkins, SlyMo, or even an unfortunate John Tait disaster

[T-post Tom]

Originally Posted by jAZ

I was trying to show the difference between a well run draft (Pioli) and a spotty draft (Carl). I just realized in the process that Herm deserves credit for improving over Carl. His strength was as a scout, and I think it's reflected in the absence of a Victor Riley, Ryan Sims, Trezell Jenkins, SlyMo, or even an unfortunate John Tait disaster

Very true. And that's w/o mentioning Junior Saivii.

[btlook1]

Originally Posted by jAZ

I was trying to show the difference between a well run draft (Pioli) and a spotty draft (Carl). I just realized in the process that Herm deserves credit for improving over Carl. His strength was as a scout, and I think it's reflected in the absence of a Victor Riley, Ryan Sims, Trezell Jenkins, SlyMo, or even an unfortunate John Tait disaster

I agree the drafting has improved quite a bit in the last few years. I know the jury is still out on Dorsey but it's just to early to say if he's a bust or not. Bowe and Albert are money in my opinion.
I almost think he should give Herm 1 more year. I think Gun can hit the road though...if Herm screws it up this next year then he can get the boot quickly! Our offense is ok not great but ok. The defense needs some work but with the right GM and Defensive coach we could be contenders in a year or two easily.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by btlook1

I agree the drafting has improved quite a bit in the last few years. I know the jury is still out on Dorsey but it's just to early to say if he's a bust or not. Bowe and Albert are money in my opinion.
I almost think he should give Herm 1 more year. I think Gun can hit the road though...if Herm screws it up this next year then he can get the boot quickly! Our offense is ok not great but ok. The defense needs some work but with the right GM and Defensive coach we could be contenders in a year or two easily.

There's no way in hell one (possibly) good draft can justify keeping a ****ing idiot who has no idea how to manage a game.

[RINGLEADER]

Originally Posted by jAZ

I was trying to show the difference between a well run draft (Pioli) and a spotty draft (Carl). I just realized in the process that Herm deserves credit for improving over Carl. His strength was as a scout, and I think it's reflected in the absence of a Victor Riley, Ryan Sims, Trezell Jenkins, SlyMo, or even an unfortunate John Tait disaster

Victor Riley was a three-year starter before getting injured and traded to the Saints where he again put in a couple years as a starter. I wouldn't call him a bust. Nor would I label SlyMo a bust, he had a terrible injury that ended his career but seemed to be a promising talent his rookie year.

But I get your point -- it gets worse when you look at the second round picks:

2008 - Brandon Flowers (looks to be solid)
2007 - Turk McBride (???)
2006 - Bernard Pollard (starter, but not a good one)
2004 - Junior Savaii (bust)
2004 - Kris Wilson (gone)
2003 - Kawika Mitchell (gone)
2002 - Eddie Freeman (bust)
2000 - William Bartee (bust)