Chiefs NFL Advisory Board says Sanchez is a 2nd Rounder? - Page 4

Chiefnj2 · 01-16-2009, 12:07 PM

according to Pete Carroll, Sanchez's draft evaluation ranked him as a 2nd rounder.

15-Jan-09In strong disagreement
Carroll reveals why he disagrees with Sanchez’s decision to turn pro early

By Ben Malcolmson
USCRipsIt
PeteCarroll.com

After days of deliberation, Coach Pete Carroll and Mark Sanchez agreed to disagree.

But that definitely doesn’t mean Carroll is content with Sanchez’s decision to forgo his senior season and declare for the NFL Draft.

Carroll fleshed out his disagreement with Sanchez’s decision during a passionate exclusive interview with USCRipsIt about an hour after the quarterback’s announcement on Thursday morning.

“The facts are so strong against this decision,” Carroll said. “After analyzing all the information, the truth is there — he should’ve stayed for another year.”

Carroll cited a study that shows 62 percent of underclassmen quarterbacks who declare early for the Draft eventually don’t pan out in the NFL. He also pointed to Sanchez’s NFL Draft evaluation, which projected Sanchez as a second-round selection.

“Mark’s chance to increase his value and become the top player in college football next year would have been worth $10-$20 million or more — likely more,” Carroll said. “One more year of running a team is almost priceless, so he lost the chance to fully prepare himself and become the very best he could be before going to the NFL.

“That’s why there’s a 62 percent failure rate for underclassmen quarterbacks.”

During the press conference, Sanchez repeatedly referred to achieving a lifelong dream as to one of the reasons he made this decision.

“We have always been in full support of Mark pursuing his dream,” Carroll said, “he just should have postponed realizing his dream another 12 months.”

Carroll stressed that his advice to Sanchez throughout the last two weeks had the quarterback’s interests in mind, not his team’s.

“I’m trying to help him be the best he can be, and that would’ve been to stay in school another year and increase his value,” Carroll said. “The facts are there. And he knew all of it, but that’s what he wanted to do it, so we wish him the best.”

Carroll wasn’t alone in his disagreement.

“His family didn’t want it and everybody else told him he should’ve stayed,” Carroll said. “Also, he let go of the opportunity to affect the people around the university and the community, something that would’ve been unforgettable.”

Although he remained strong in his disagreement, Carroll emphasized that he still supports Sanchez and knows he “will always be a special member of the Trojan family.”

“Even though we disagree, I still support him and we’re going to try to help him in any way we can,” Carroll said. “It’s like a family member — you’re not going to stop loving him just because he makes a bad choice.

“Hopefully he’ll overcome the history of these decisions and the people’s opinions out there and becomes very successful.”

Valiant · 01-16-2009, 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by FringeNC

Evidently, Sanchez's advisor disagreed with that assessment, or else Sanchez obviously would have stayed in school.

Usually when Underclassmen QB's come out they do so because teams are looking at them early on or they need money.. Or their agent was a dick and lied..

Toad · 01-16-2009, 11:06 PM

Sounds like to me Pete Carroll has some sour grapes working.

KCUnited · 01-16-2009, 11:48 PM

So his college coach doesn't think he's ready and an NFL advisory board apparently has him ranked as a 2nd rounder, but we should take him with the 3rd. Pete Carroll is sour grapes and the advisory board is made up of NFL GM rejects.

Bring on a poop thread or something sensible. Pink Lady apples give me gas.

RINGLEADER · 01-16-2009, 11:53 PM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief

no way he makes it out of the top 10. too much upside.

Friendly wager?

chief52 · 01-17-2009, 07:33 AM

Carrol not backing down.

I really think the earliest Sanchez goes is the bottom of the first round, more likely second. Now do not start flaming me, that is just what I feel and I do not profess to know it all. It will be very interesting to watch.

http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-...,7480322.story

Genaro Molina / Los Angeles Times
USC Coach Pete Carroll addresses the media during the news conference
January 17, 2009

USC Coach Pete Carroll is not backing down. Not much, anyway.

A day after his agitated appearance at quarterback Mark Sanchez's news conference, during which the junior announced he would make himself available for the NFL draft, Carroll stood by his tone and his explanation of why Sanchez was making a mistake by not exhausting his eligibility.

But he also said he might have left something out. "If it didn't come across clearly how I feel about Mark, I'd like to say that Mark was a great football player for us and was on course to be as good as anyone we ever had," Carroll said. "We loved him, he was a great, terrific kid in this program, and we are going to miss him."

Sanchez and Georgia's Matt Stafford are regarded as the top two quarterbacks in the April draft. Carroll reiterated Friday he would help and support Sanchez as he went through the draft process.

But Carroll also explained that since arriving at USC before the 2001 season, he has approached his coaching responsibility "from the perspective of how a parent would look after their kid going through here."

"If your child decides to do something that you know isn't what you agree with, I think you bag out on him to not show him your true self, for what you believe," he said. "That's the bottom line here. And I don't mind standing for that."

Carroll said he would have said the same things he said at the news conference if his own son was the player in question.

"I'm the football coach," he said, chuckling. "If he's playing for me I would have done exactly that."

So, no regrets?

"No. Maybe I could have sat down for it," he said. "Or they could have had the podium there so I could have stood up. . . . I was ready to battle."

DTLB58 · 01-17-2009, 07:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

Although he remained strong in his disagreement, Carroll emphasized that he still supports Sanchez and knows he “will always be a special member of the Trojan family.”
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chief52 · 01-17-2009, 08:20 AM

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Originally Posted by DTLB58

It is kinda old now, but I remember years ago going to a Stanford/USC game. The Stanford students had a big sign that said,

" Trojans burst under pressure. " Cracked me up...

Chiefnj2 · 01-17-2009, 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO

sanchez IMO made a decision based on the fact that with mccoy and bradford returning next years draft will have more QBs available so this year he will have less competition

I agree. I think he was afraid he could slip behind Bradford, Tebow, McCoy and a host of darkhorses like FeFevour (sp) and Rusty Smith.

siberian khatru · 01-17-2009, 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by DTLB58

Well, Sanchez does seem to have gotten some extra ribbing from Carroll.

**BigMeatballDave** · 01-17-2009, 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Otter

Uh, no.

Late 2nd or early 3rd.

**PHOG** · 01-17-2009, 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by siberian khatru

Well, Sanchez does seem to have gotten some extra ribbing from Carroll.

Can anyone imagine the possible headlines when he becomes a starting QB?

**OnTheWarpath15** · 01-17-2009, 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

I agree. I think he was afraid he could slip behind Bradford, Tebow, McCoy and a host of darkhorses like FeFevour (sp) and Rusty Smith.

**SAUTO** · 01-17-2009, 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

I agree. I think he was afraid he could slip behind Bradford, Tebow, McCoy and a host of darkhorses like FeFevour (sp) and Rusty Smith.

i doubt it but some teams are stupid

Buzzsaw · 01-17-2009, 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

By the end of April we'll know if Sanchez was incredibly smart or unbelievably stupid.

Not really. Where he gets drafted and the amount of the contract he receives doesn't (or shouldn't) determine if this was the right decision.

3 years or so from now we'll find out if he made the right decision. I like Sanchez a lot but the two biggest factors that determine if a QB is going to be successful are games started and completion percentage. Sanchez only has 16 starts (I believe?) so that's definitely something to consider.

And if he's the real deal, he'll be getting more on his second contract than his rookie contract anyways.

**Mr. Flopnuts** · 01-17-2009, 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Bowser

The Alex Smith of the 2009 draft class?

Tebow and Bradford are going back to school. Sanchez is going to be a stud. I'd rather have him than Stafford.

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Chiefnj2 In Search of a Life Join Date: Mar 2007 Casino cash: $6654388	NFL Advisory Board says Sanchez is a 2nd Rounder? according to Pete Carroll, Sanchez's draft evaluation ranked him as a 2nd rounder. 15-Jan-09In strong disagreement Carroll reveals why he disagrees with Sanchez’s decision to turn pro early By Ben Malcolmson USCRipsIt PeteCarroll.com After days of deliberation, Coach Pete Carroll and Mark Sanchez agreed to disagree. But that definitely doesn’t mean Carroll is content with Sanchez’s decision to forgo his senior season and declare for the NFL Draft. Carroll fleshed out his disagreement with Sanchez’s decision during a passionate exclusive interview with USCRipsIt about an hour after the quarterback’s announcement on Thursday morning. “The facts are so strong against this decision,” Carroll said. “After analyzing all the information, the truth is there — he should’ve stayed for another year.” Carroll cited a study that shows 62 percent of underclassmen quarterbacks who declare early for the Draft eventually don’t pan out in the NFL. He also pointed to Sanchez’s NFL Draft evaluation, which projected Sanchez as a second-round selection. “Mark’s chance to increase his value and become the top player in college football next year would have been worth $10-$20 million or more — likely more,” Carroll said. “One more year of running a team is almost priceless, so he lost the chance to fully prepare himself and become the very best he could be before going to the NFL. “That’s why there’s a 62 percent failure rate for underclassmen quarterbacks.” During the press conference, Sanchez repeatedly referred to achieving a lifelong dream as to one of the reasons he made this decision. “We have always been in full support of Mark pursuing his dream,” Carroll said, “he just should have postponed realizing his dream another 12 months.” Carroll stressed that his advice to Sanchez throughout the last two weeks had the quarterback’s interests in mind, not his team’s. “I’m trying to help him be the best he can be, and that would’ve been to stay in school another year and increase his value,” Carroll said. “The facts are there. And he knew all of it, but that’s what he wanted to do it, so we wish him the best.” Carroll wasn’t alone in his disagreement. “His family didn’t want it and everybody else told him he should’ve stayed,” Carroll said. “Also, he let go of the opportunity to affect the people around the university and the community, something that would’ve been unforgettable.” Although he remained strong in his disagreement, Carroll emphasized that he still supports Sanchez and knows he “will always be a special member of the Trojan family.” “Even though we disagree, I still support him and we’re going to try to help him in any way we can,” Carroll said. “It’s like a family member — you’re not going to stop loving him just because he makes a bad choice. “Hopefully he’ll overcome the history of these decisions and the people’s opinions out there and becomes very successful.”
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KCUnited Cheat Death Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Land of Drincoln Casino cash: $-1551756	So his college coach doesn't think he's ready and an NFL advisory board apparently has him ranked as a 2nd rounder, but we should take him with the 3rd. Pete Carroll is sour grapes and the advisory board is made up of NFL GM rejects. Bring on a poop thread or something sensible. Pink Lady apples give me gas.
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chief52 Veteran Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: NoCal Casino cash: $9805260	Carrol not backing down. I really think the earliest Sanchez goes is the bottom of the first round, more likely second. Now do not start flaming me, that is just what I feel and I do not profess to know it all. It will be very interesting to watch. http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-...,7480322.story Genaro Molina / Los Angeles Times USC Coach Pete Carroll addresses the media during the news conference January 17, 2009 USC Coach Pete Carroll is not backing down. Not much, anyway. A day after his agitated appearance at quarterback Mark Sanchez's news conference, during which the junior announced he would make himself available for the NFL draft, Carroll stood by his tone and his explanation of why Sanchez was making a mistake by not exhausting his eligibility. But he also said he might have left something out. "If it didn't come across clearly how I feel about Mark, I'd like to say that Mark was a great football player for us and was on course to be as good as anyone we ever had," Carroll said. "We loved him, he was a great, terrific kid in this program, and we are going to miss him." Sanchez and Georgia's Matt Stafford are regarded as the top two quarterbacks in the April draft. Carroll reiterated Friday he would help and support Sanchez as he went through the draft process. But Carroll also explained that since arriving at USC before the 2001 season, he has approached his coaching responsibility "from the perspective of how a parent would look after their kid going through here." "If your child decides to do something that you know isn't what you agree with, I think you bag out on him to not show him your true self, for what you believe," he said. "That's the bottom line here. And I don't mind standing for that." Carroll said he would have said the same things he said at the news conference if his own son was the player in question. "I'm the football coach," he said, chuckling. "If he's playing for me I would have done exactly that." So, no regrets? "No. Maybe I could have sat down for it," he said. "Or they could have had the podium there so I could have stood up. . . . I was ready to battle." Last edited by chief52; 01-17-2009 at 07:40 AM..
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