Chiefs Gunther's finger pointing has already begun... - Page 6

DaWolf · 01-21-2009, 12:12 PM

Typical. Would expect nothing less from a guy who loves to blame everyone but himself on his failures...

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“I’ve gone through three years of playing zone defense because I was loyal to Herm Edwards,” Cunningham said today in a conference call. “That’s what he wanted. People here in town knew that I was different than that. My idea is to put a lot of pressure on the quarterback — always has been, always will be.”

This after you proclaim that you love Herm Edwards and the Cover 2 has always been a part of your scheme and that the "handcuffs" had been taken off with Herm, all while you were throwing Vermeil under the bus.

I guess Gunther really doesn't have a spine.

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“The emotions get involved, ‘Oh, we’ll play with all these young players,’ ” Cunningham said. “But what you don’t understand is, they have to be led by guys like Jared Allen.”

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“If you have a lot of young players that you’re going to draft, you have to make sure you work the whole process,” Cunningham said. “I believe the mistake we made here is that they tried to add some UFA players like Demorrio Williams. Well, he doesn’t have enough experience and enough ability to lead a bunch of rookies. …

“I can at least share what happened here and the pitfalls we ran into and see what the process brings.”

Yeah, so the answer I suppose would be signing all those UFA's you had on your list that you gave to Carl and proclaimed that Carl delivered. That Kendrell Bell, helluva leader Gun.

http://www.freep.com/article/2009012...mon+with+Lions

lazepoo · 01-21-2009, 01:52 PM

I'm not surprised. That said, I don't think that Gunther's scheme is bad... he's just not a good judge of talent and a poor motivator. If your only move is to drop 4 f bombs per second in order to get a guy moving, not everyone responds well to it. I don't think he's very realistic about the talent of the guys he has, either. A lot of players in his defenses are playing out of position or utilized poorly. Apparently he made an impression on Schwartz, though.

One positive that everyone's overlooked here is that had we hired Schwartz, Gunther probably would have stuck around. He's moved on, and so should we.

**The Franchise** · 01-21-2009, 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by DaWolf

That's a fine line. Everyone in the NFL has talent. That's why "on any given sunday" holds true, unless you're the Detroit Lions. The key is to put your talent in a position to be successful, or bring in talent that will help you be successful. Gunther was unable to do either. He had five years of drafts where he was unable to develop anyone of note. In fact, one prime example is Kawika Mitchell, who blossomed once he got away from Gunther. I wouldn't be surprised to see DJ become an all pro now that Gunther is gone. In terms of bringing in talent, it was famously proclaimed by Gunther himself that he personally went to Carl Peterson and gave him a list of players to go get him and Carl delivered on what he wanted. He promised that Kendrell Bell and Sammy Knight and co would turn this defense around, provide the leadership, etc. We still sucked. So to me, across the board, under two totally different head coaches, with two different assistant coaching staffs under him, he failed, and failed spectacularly...

This.

Rooster · 01-21-2009, 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by DaWolf

That's a fine line. Everyone in the NFL has talent. That's why "on any given sunday" holds true, unless you're the Detroit Lions. The key is to put your talent in a position to be successful, or bring in talent that will help you be successful. Gunther was unable to do either. He had five years of drafts where he was unable to develop anyone of note. In fact, one prime example is Kawika Mitchell, who blossomed once he got away from Gunther. I wouldn't be surprised to see DJ become an all pro now that Gunther is gone. In terms of bringing in talent, it was famously proclaimed by Gunther himself that he personally went to Carl Peterson and gave him a list of players to go get him and Carl delivered on what he wanted. He promised that Kendrell Bell and Sammy Knight and co would turn this defense around, provide the leadership, etc. We still sucked. So to me, across the board, under two totally different head coaches, with two different assistant coaching staffs under him, he failed, and failed spectacularly...

Word

wutamess · 01-21-2009, 02:11 PM

Gunther is SUCH a fraud for totally changing his scheme to something he wasn't comfortable with.

GTFOH.

We all know/knew Gun loves crushing the QB for you homers to think otherwise because he's saying what really went down is just plain stupid. [/Gaz]

EyePod · 01-21-2009, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by HemiEd

I have been one of the most critical, when it comes to Gunther.

But I have to agree with him on this. Herm insisted on his defense, the cover 2, which has been said to be obsolete.

Also, I can't blame him for being a little ticked at losing the only impact player this defense has had, in quite a while.

That being said, I am so glad he is gone!

He wasn't that good when we had JA so I don't feel bad for him at all.

Here's what it said the expectations for Gun when he came in (from Wiki):

"Cunningham was hired again to revitalize a defense that had finished near or at the bottom of the overall rankings since Schottenheimer and Cunningham departed."

He didn't do that. Gun's a bust.

CoMoChief · 01-21-2009, 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

Do you think the Cardinals defense is really good? If they hadn't made it through the wildcard game would you honestly think they had a lot of talent?

They have better players in certain areas than we have

Berry and Dockett are better than anyone we have on our Dline. PERIOD

Dansby is better than any LB that we have

Their CB's are getting better and better, drafting in the 1st rd for DRC and Rolle have helped them and Adrian Wilson is a top 3 safety in the NFL

WE HAVE NO PLAYERS AT ALL OF THIS TALENT LEVEL, maybe DJ or Flowers

**** I dunno

CoMoChief · 01-21-2009, 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Rooster

JA didn't want to be in KC. Why is that so hard for some to understand? He didn't like it here. Period. He played his card and the Chiefs then played theirs. Get over it.

JA loved KC (probably why he wanted to open a bar here) wanted to be in KC and get paid as well, Carl made a promise to him, Jared Allen did what was asked of him, and then Carl ****ed him over. Then Jared wanted out.

Why people dont understand this is beyond me

**The Franchise** · 01-21-2009, 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by CoMoChief

They have better players in certain areas than we have

Berry and Dockett are better than anyone we have on our Dline. PERIOD

Dansby is better than any LB that we have

Their CB's are getting better and better, drafting in the 1st rd for DRC and Rolle have helped them and Adrian Wilson is a top 3 safety in the NFL

WE HAVE NO PLAYERS AT ALL OF THIS TALENT LEVEL, maybe DJ or Flowers

**** I dunno

I believe that Rolle is their FS......so that gives them a damn good set of safeties to work with.

That does happen when you're picking Top 10 for a long time though.

Frazod · 01-21-2009, 02:30 PM

Another Frank Burns - if the patient dies, it's either God's will or somebody else's fault.

Those poor bastards in Detroit - all that suffering, and no end in sight. At least they have good basketball and hockey teams.

**HemiEd** · 01-21-2009, 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by frazod

Those poor bastards in Detroit - all that suffering, and no end in sight. At least they have good basketball and hockey teams.

Don't forget, Detroit, and a lot of Michigan are dependent on the auto industry.

They didn't deserve to have Gunther put on them.

StcChief · 01-21-2009, 03:13 PM

as DaBears,Packers,ViQueens all rejoice....

Mr. Laz · 01-21-2009, 03:15 PM

Gun has sucked under far too many coaches and with far too many different players to not be consider a "common dominator" in this whole cluster ****.

not to mention the fact that he couldn't ever field a defense that could handle the bootleg, disguise a blitz or "would try" to tackle correctly ..... these are COACHING ISSUES.

talent versus premium talent is always a problem but you can see problems beyond that

jettio · 01-21-2009, 03:17 PM

I would much prefer a defensive cooordinator that teaches his players how to play basic defense and tackle the ball.

Gunther's problem is that he stays up night after night during the season trying to figure out some magical way of calling some wonderful defensive play.

Football is pretty plain and simple. I rather the Chiefs find coaches that can figure out how to coach a team working a 60 hour work week during the season.

If you have a coach that spends 80-100 hours a week during the season trying to think up stupid sh*t, you have an ineffective coach. That is what Gunther is, IMO.

EyePod · 01-21-2009, 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

Do you think the Cardinals defense is really good? If they hadn't made it through the wildcard game would you honestly think they had a lot of talent?

Yes. I try not to be ignorant of other teams. That team has some really awesome ****ing players.

EyePod · 01-21-2009, 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by HemiEd

Don't forget, Detroit, and a lot of Michigan are dependent on the auto industry.

They didn't deserve to have Gunther put on them.

That's their own fault. Move somewhere else. Are you telling me that they can't just move overseas where there are tons of these autoplants?

01-21-2009, 01:52 PM	#76
lazepoo Wizard Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Mpls Casino cash: $10005004	I'm not surprised. That said, I don't think that Gunther's scheme is bad... he's just not a good judge of talent and a poor motivator. If your only move is to drop 4 f bombs per second in order to get a guy moving, not everyone responds well to it. I don't think he's very realistic about the talent of the guys he has, either. A lot of players in his defenses are playing out of position or utilized poorly. Apparently he made an impression on Schwartz, though. One positive that everyone's overlooked here is that had we hired Schwartz, Gunther probably would have stuck around. He's moved on, and so should we.
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wutamess MVP Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Lee's Summit Casino cash: $4711637	Gunther is SUCH a fraud for totally changing his scheme to something he wasn't comfortable with. GTFOH. We all know/knew Gun loves crushing the QB for you homers to think otherwise because he's saying what really went down is just plain stupid. [/Gaz]
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Frazod Did you hear what I said? Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $-576615	Another Frank Burns - if the patient dies, it's either God's will or somebody else's fault. Those poor bastards in Detroit - all that suffering, and no end in sight. At least they have good basketball and hockey teams.
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Mr. Laz Don't Tease Me Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: KS Casino cash: $11047037	Gun has sucked under far too many coaches and with far too many different players to not be consider a "common dominator" in this whole cluster ****. not to mention the fact that he couldn't ever field a defense that could handle the bootleg, disguise a blitz or "would try" to tackle correctly ..... these are COACHING ISSUES. talent versus premium talent is always a problem but you can see problems beyond that __________________
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01-21-2009, 03:17 PM	#88
jettio MVP Join Date: Sep 2002 Casino cash: $4504930	I would much prefer a defensive cooordinator that teaches his players how to play basic defense and tackle the ball. Gunther's problem is that he stays up night after night during the season trying to figure out some magical way of calling some wonderful defensive play. Football is pretty plain and simple. I rather the Chiefs find coaches that can figure out how to coach a team working a 60 hour work week during the season. If you have a coach that spends 80-100 hours a week during the season trying to think up stupid sh*t, you have an ineffective coach. That is what Gunther is, IMO. __________________ Where Ignorance is Bliss, 'Tis Folly to be Wise. __
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