Chiefs Whitlock: Chiefs’ All-Pro guard Waters wants out of Kansas City - Page 11

**Tribal Warfare** · 02-27-2009, 12:06 AM

Chiefs’ All-Pro guard Waters wants out of Kansas City
By JASON WHITLOCK
The Kansas City Star

Chiefs Pro Bowl guard Brian Waters asked the organization Thursday to release or trade him this offseason, according to a source with knowledge of the situation.

Waters asked for his release two days after a brief meeting with new head coach Todd Haley and after being told by first-time general manager Scott Pioli that he had no interest in meeting with Waters, the source said.

Waters, according to the source, was offended and shocked by the arrogance of Haley and Pioli. Waters’ meeting with Haley and follow-up phone conversations confirmed in the nine-year vet’s mind that the negative reports about Haley that he heard from Arizona Cardinals players while at the Pro Bowl were accurate, according to the source.

The Cardinals players told Waters and tight end Tony Gonzalez that Haley, Arizona’s offensive coordinator, was aloof, condescending and ignored by veterans, the source said. Anquan Boldin, Kurt Warner and Larry Fitzgerald Jr. — Arizona’s offensive stars — were all members of the NFC Pro Bowl team.

Haley could not be reached for comment Thursday night. Haley bickered with Boldin and Warner during the NFC championship game. And when he was an assistant with the Cowboys, Haley had several run-ins with flamboyant receiver Terrell Owens.

The source said when Waters informed Haley of his desire to relocate, Kansas City’s coach scolded Waters and indicated that the Chiefs would not release Waters from his contract. Waters signed a seven-year contract extension with the Chiefs in 2005. Waters, a four-time Pro Bowler, is 32 and would seemingly have decent trade value.

Waters declined public comment on Thursday.

He is the second high-priced Chiefs offensive star to ask for his release. Running back Larry Johnson has repeatedly asked to be let go. All-pro tight end Tony Gonzalez expressed disappointment when coach Herm Edwards was fired and has stated he will take a wait-and-see approach with the new regime.

Waters’ dissatisfaction is surprising given his reputation as a locker-room leader and his dedication to the organization. Waters is heavily involved in charitable activity in the Kansas City community and was a finalist for the NFL’s 2008 Man of the Year Award.

According to the source, Waters flew to Kansas City specifically to meet with Haley and Pioli and hear their plan for the direction of the organization. Pioli declined to meet with Waters, saying they had nothing to discuss, the source said. And Haley began his hallway conversation with Waters by proclaiming that 22 players off the street could win two games, the source said.

Waters considered his options Wednesday, flew to Dallas and then tried reaching owner Clark Hunt and Pioli before telling Haley on Thursday that he felt their differences were irreconcible, the source said.

Waters joined the Chiefs in 2000 and became a starter in 2001.

Hammock Parties · 02-27-2009, 02:18 AM

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Originally Posted by orange

An 0-0 head coach talking smack to a two-time All-Pro....hmmm.

Claythan, admit it. YOU'RE Todd Haley!

Todd Haley has been associated with more playoff football in ONE YEAR than Brian Waters has been in his ENTIRE ****ING LIFE.

He takes better care of his body, too.

**DaneMcCloud** · 02-27-2009, 02:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Sam Hall

Those were his words.

"Off the streets" imply free agents and street free agents. Not players drafted and groomed by an NFL franchise.

Mecca · 02-27-2009, 02:20 AM

I think the simple point is, why does a 32 year old guard feel he needs to have a personal meeting with the GM about the teams future?

Scott Pioli probably wondered the same thing...

orange · 02-27-2009, 02:20 AM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

I'm pretty sure these East Coast attitudes aren't gonna fly in KC and the surrounding states for long. I expect to see many more columns like these until the Chiefs begin to actually win.

That's the best thing you've said in weeks.

Hammock Parties · 02-27-2009, 02:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

I think the simple point is, why does a 32 year old guard feel he needs to have a personal meeting with the GM about the teams future?

He's against breast cancer. You need other reasons?

CoMoChief · 02-27-2009, 02:21 AM

This doesn't surprise me one bit. He was one of the biggest Herm supporters you could possibly find. we could be 0-16 and Waters would say shit like .......oh well we need to be positive going into our next game like we're gonna win........UHHHHH NO SHIT DUMBASS, we should go into every game like we're gonna win.

Its no question to the fact that Herm instituted a losing atmosphere in the locker room. No wonder people like Tony G are getting pissed. Waters obviously has been brain washed by Herm. Herm can lose a game and be like "its ok........its football, sometimes this happens etc" and the excuses can go on etc.

**** that shit , we need a coach that HATES to lose. And when players get soft they get their asses chewed for it. These players have the PRIVILEGE of being in the NFL and if they dont play hard, they should be yelled at and ****ed with until the msg gets across.

Sam Hall · 02-27-2009, 02:22 AM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

"Off the streets" imply free agents and street free agents. Not players drafted and groomed by an NFL franchise.

Right, and those guys would not have won two games.

**DaneMcCloud** · 02-27-2009, 02:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Sam Hall

Right, and those guys would not have won two games.

Says you.

How many NFL games have you coached or coordinated again?

Mecca · 02-27-2009, 02:23 AM

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Originally Posted by orange

That's the best thing you've said in weeks.

I can't wait till we have people posting about how they "aren't fans of the Chiefs anymore" saying that we are run by arrogant douchebags and our franchise is now arrogant like Boston and New York..

Just wait, I guarantee it will happen.

baitism · 02-27-2009, 02:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Claythan

He's against breast cancer. You need other reasons?

He better be with those manboobs...

Sam Hall · 02-27-2009, 02:23 AM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Says you.

How many NFL games have you coached or coordinated again?

The same amount you have coached or coordinated.

orange · 02-27-2009, 02:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

I think the simple point is, why does a 32 year old guard feel he needs to have a personal meeting with the GM about the teams future?

Scott Pioli probably wondered the same thing...

NFLPA representative. You know, one of the team's leaders. Selected by his teammates.

He may well have wanted to know what the Chiefs are planning to do with their $57 million cap room.

Mecca · 02-27-2009, 02:24 AM

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Originally Posted by orange

NFLPA representative.

And that has exactly what to do with wanting to talk to Scott Pioli about his plans for the team?

**DaneMcCloud** · 02-27-2009, 02:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Sam Hall

The same amount you have coached or coordinated.

Um, that's not the point.

Todd Haley: Guys off the street could win 2 games.

Sam Hall: No, they couldn't.

Mecca · 02-27-2009, 02:25 AM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Um, that's not the point.

Todd Haley: Guys off the street could win 2 games.

Sam Hall: No, they couldn't.

This is going to end up being funny several fans are going to turn on this team because "they're arrogant now"

02-27-2009, 12:06 AM
Tribal Warfare Man of Culture Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Far Beyond Comprehension Casino cash: $-2907187	Whitlock: Chiefs’ All-Pro guard Waters wants out of Kansas City Chiefs’ All-Pro guard Waters wants out of Kansas City By JASON WHITLOCK The Kansas City Star Chiefs Pro Bowl guard Brian Waters asked the organization Thursday to release or trade him this offseason, according to a source with knowledge of the situation. Waters asked for his release two days after a brief meeting with new head coach Todd Haley and after being told by first-time general manager Scott Pioli that he had no interest in meeting with Waters, the source said. Waters, according to the source, was offended and shocked by the arrogance of Haley and Pioli. Waters’ meeting with Haley and follow-up phone conversations confirmed in the nine-year vet’s mind that the negative reports about Haley that he heard from Arizona Cardinals players while at the Pro Bowl were accurate, according to the source. The Cardinals players told Waters and tight end Tony Gonzalez that Haley, Arizona’s offensive coordinator, was aloof, condescending and ignored by veterans, the source said. Anquan Boldin, Kurt Warner and Larry Fitzgerald Jr. — Arizona’s offensive stars — were all members of the NFC Pro Bowl team. Haley could not be reached for comment Thursday night. Haley bickered with Boldin and Warner during the NFC championship game. And when he was an assistant with the Cowboys, Haley had several run-ins with flamboyant receiver Terrell Owens. The source said when Waters informed Haley of his desire to relocate, Kansas City’s coach scolded Waters and indicated that the Chiefs would not release Waters from his contract. Waters signed a seven-year contract extension with the Chiefs in 2005. Waters, a four-time Pro Bowler, is 32 and would seemingly have decent trade value. Waters declined public comment on Thursday. He is the second high-priced Chiefs offensive star to ask for his release. Running back Larry Johnson has repeatedly asked to be let go. All-pro tight end Tony Gonzalez expressed disappointment when coach Herm Edwards was fired and has stated he will take a wait-and-see approach with the new regime. Waters’ dissatisfaction is surprising given his reputation as a locker-room leader and his dedication to the organization. Waters is heavily involved in charitable activity in the Kansas City community and was a finalist for the NFL’s 2008 Man of the Year Award. According to the source, Waters flew to Kansas City specifically to meet with Haley and Pioli and hear their plan for the direction of the organization. Pioli declined to meet with Waters, saying they had nothing to discuss, the source said. And Haley began his hallway conversation with Waters by proclaiming that 22 players off the street could win two games, the source said. Waters considered his options Wednesday, flew to Dallas and then tried reaching owner Clark Hunt and Pioli before telling Haley on Thursday that he felt their differences were irreconcible, the source said. Waters joined the Chiefs in 2000 and became a starter in 2001.
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Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $-632950	I think the simple point is, why does a 32 year old guard feel he needs to have a personal meeting with the GM about the teams future? Scott Pioli probably wondered the same thing...
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CoMoChief Mahomes Dynasty Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Parts Unknown Casino cash: $7672254	This doesn't surprise me one bit. He was one of the biggest Herm supporters you could possibly find. we could be 0-16 and Waters would say shit like .......oh well we need to be positive going into our next game like we're gonna win........UHHHHH NO SHIT DUMBASS, we should go into every game like we're gonna win. Its no question to the fact that Herm instituted a losing atmosphere in the locker room. No wonder people like Tony G are getting pissed. Waters obviously has been brain washed by Herm. Herm can lose a game and be like "its ok........its football, sometimes this happens etc" and the excuses can go on etc. ** that shit , we need a coach that HATES to lose. And when players get soft they get their asses chewed for it. These players have the PRIVILEGE of being in the NFL and if they dont play hard, they should be yelled at and **ed with until the msg gets across.
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