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**Tribal Warfare** · 02-27-2009, 12:06 AM

Chiefs’ All-Pro guard Waters wants out of Kansas City
By JASON WHITLOCK
The Kansas City Star

Chiefs Pro Bowl guard Brian Waters asked the organization Thursday to release or trade him this offseason, according to a source with knowledge of the situation.

Waters asked for his release two days after a brief meeting with new head coach Todd Haley and after being told by first-time general manager Scott Pioli that he had no interest in meeting with Waters, the source said.

Waters, according to the source, was offended and shocked by the arrogance of Haley and Pioli. Waters’ meeting with Haley and follow-up phone conversations confirmed in the nine-year vet’s mind that the negative reports about Haley that he heard from Arizona Cardinals players while at the Pro Bowl were accurate, according to the source.

The Cardinals players told Waters and tight end Tony Gonzalez that Haley, Arizona’s offensive coordinator, was aloof, condescending and ignored by veterans, the source said. Anquan Boldin, Kurt Warner and Larry Fitzgerald Jr. — Arizona’s offensive stars — were all members of the NFC Pro Bowl team.

Haley could not be reached for comment Thursday night. Haley bickered with Boldin and Warner during the NFC championship game. And when he was an assistant with the Cowboys, Haley had several run-ins with flamboyant receiver Terrell Owens.

The source said when Waters informed Haley of his desire to relocate, Kansas City’s coach scolded Waters and indicated that the Chiefs would not release Waters from his contract. Waters signed a seven-year contract extension with the Chiefs in 2005. Waters, a four-time Pro Bowler, is 32 and would seemingly have decent trade value.

Waters declined public comment on Thursday.

He is the second high-priced Chiefs offensive star to ask for his release. Running back Larry Johnson has repeatedly asked to be let go. All-pro tight end Tony Gonzalez expressed disappointment when coach Herm Edwards was fired and has stated he will take a wait-and-see approach with the new regime.

Waters’ dissatisfaction is surprising given his reputation as a locker-room leader and his dedication to the organization. Waters is heavily involved in charitable activity in the Kansas City community and was a finalist for the NFL’s 2008 Man of the Year Award.

According to the source, Waters flew to Kansas City specifically to meet with Haley and Pioli and hear their plan for the direction of the organization. Pioli declined to meet with Waters, saying they had nothing to discuss, the source said. And Haley began his hallway conversation with Waters by proclaiming that 22 players off the street could win two games, the source said.

Waters considered his options Wednesday, flew to Dallas and then tried reaching owner Clark Hunt and Pioli before telling Haley on Thursday that he felt their differences were irreconcible, the source said.

Waters joined the Chiefs in 2000 and became a starter in 2001.

**ChiefGator** · 02-27-2009, 05:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Archie Bunker

That false sense of entitlement has been a major problem since the paper champion DV days and it seems to me Pioli and Co see the problem and are going to fix it.

And Herm too. He somehow convinced these clowns they were always really close to being a good team. Bogus.

**the Talking Can** · 02-27-2009, 05:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare

Chiefs’ All-Pro guard Waters wants out of Kansas City

Waters asked for his release two days after a brief meeting with new head coach Todd Haley and after being told by first-time general manager Scott Pioli that he had no interest in meeting with Waters, the source said.

....And Haley began his hallway conversation with Waters by proclaiming that 22 players off the street could win two games, the source said.

i don't believe that either of those things happened....this reads like an issue of Teen Beat written by Whitlock.....

i'd bet a million dollars that Pioli that didn't say he had "no interest" in meeting with Waters, ditto for Haley's comment....

And the only person who would have leaked this info is Shields...and if he did, he can beat it with the rest of the pussies still crying about Herm...

beach tribe · 02-27-2009, 06:28 AM

Waters.

Red Dawg · 02-27-2009, 06:35 AM

This is BS. He flew to KC to hear the plan for the off season. As if coaches have private meetings with guards about that.

If Brian wants to move on then let him. Scott doesn't need players that don't want to be here. Trade 'em all I say and get some hungry players that want to win.

nychief · 02-27-2009, 06:37 AM

Perhaps Brian just wanted to show off his championship rings to the new guys?

No wonder we have lost for so long... our players are babied... take off the diapers Todd.

Also I love this part: "And Haley began his hallway conversation with Waters by proclaiming that 22 players off the street could win two games, the source said."

PRIEST · 02-27-2009, 06:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Basileus777

Oh Christ Waters....

This whole ****ing team is full of cry-babies.

Well said , This could be the Chiefs whole problem.Sack it up girls this is a Fu#king Football team

PhillyChiefFan · 02-27-2009, 06:54 AM

I was waiting for something like this to happen.

KCUnited · 02-27-2009, 06:54 AM

This is bs. My girlfriend has a friend that works down at Epic Nails. Apperently Brian flew in to have his eyebrows manicured and thought he might get a word in with Scott and Todd while he was he. This is a non story.

beach tribe · 02-27-2009, 06:55 AM

I'm pretty sure Whitlock wrote this to create contempt for our new FO, and HC.

Didn't quite work out the way he planned.

Mecca · 02-27-2009, 07:01 AM

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Originally Posted by beach tribe

I'm pretty sure Whitlock wrote this to create contempt for our new FO, and HC.

Didn't quite work out the way he planned.

I think it's pretty obvious just with the comments we know have been made Vermiel followed by Herm created an atmosphere of nothing but spoiled players who think they are the greatest thing walkin.

**the Talking Can** · 02-27-2009, 07:02 AM

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Originally Posted by beach tribe

I'm pretty sure Whitlock wrote this to create contempt for our new FO, and HC.

Didn't quite work out the way he planned.

yup...does anyone believe that Pioli would actually respond in such a childish way?

these are caricatures...Whitlock is way out of his depth at the moment, this kind of clown bait worked with Carl...

and for the record, I don't give a shit why Pioli didn't meet with Waters, assuming that is even true...

Mecca · 02-27-2009, 07:08 AM

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Originally Posted by the Talking Can

yup...does anyone believe that Pioli would actually respond in such a childish way?

these are caricatures...Whitlock is way out of his depth at the moment, this kind of clown bait worked with Carl...

and for the record, I don't give a shit why Pioli didn't meet with Waters, assuming that is even true...

Actually yea I do...looking back on things with the Patriots and such it wouldn't surprise me at all.

FringeNC · 02-27-2009, 07:09 AM

Didn't Waters make some bizarre comment along the lines that any future success the Chiefs had would be because of Herm Edwards?

Mecca · 02-27-2009, 07:09 AM

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Originally Posted by FringeNC

Didn't Waters make some bizarre comment along the lines that any future success the Chiefs had would be because of Herm Edwards?

Yes he did, he was probably the biggest Herm supporter.

Kerberos · 02-27-2009, 07:13 AM

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Originally Posted by bigdreams1

Am I the only one who is kind of pissed at Haley for this shit. Brian Waters has been great to Kansas City. You don't just come in and treat him like shit. I'm leaning more with Waters. If Haley keeps this shit up I am going to be extremely ****ing pissed!

This was my first reaction.

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Originally Posted by Christofire

Maybe this isn't all that surprising. If you look at Pioli's Patriots, they weren't afraid to give big name players the boot. Lawyer Milloy? Gone. Ty Law? Gone. Receiver guy who went to the Seahawks and I can't think of his name right now? Gone.

But then I started thinking about how Waters "MAY" have come in unannounced and was put back by new regime that is NOTHING like King Carl and Herm.

Sorry boys and girls but there is a NEW sherrif in town and he isn't here to be liked. He is here to win games..... PERIOD. i agree with this last post completely. Pioli is not going to be afraid to lose a vet or two that want to be cry babies.

02-27-2009, 12:06 AM
Tribal Warfare Man of Culture Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Far Beyond Comprehension Casino cash: $-2907187	Whitlock: Chiefs’ All-Pro guard Waters wants out of Kansas City Chiefs’ All-Pro guard Waters wants out of Kansas City By JASON WHITLOCK The Kansas City Star Chiefs Pro Bowl guard Brian Waters asked the organization Thursday to release or trade him this offseason, according to a source with knowledge of the situation. Waters asked for his release two days after a brief meeting with new head coach Todd Haley and after being told by first-time general manager Scott Pioli that he had no interest in meeting with Waters, the source said. Waters, according to the source, was offended and shocked by the arrogance of Haley and Pioli. Waters’ meeting with Haley and follow-up phone conversations confirmed in the nine-year vet’s mind that the negative reports about Haley that he heard from Arizona Cardinals players while at the Pro Bowl were accurate, according to the source. The Cardinals players told Waters and tight end Tony Gonzalez that Haley, Arizona’s offensive coordinator, was aloof, condescending and ignored by veterans, the source said. Anquan Boldin, Kurt Warner and Larry Fitzgerald Jr. — Arizona’s offensive stars — were all members of the NFC Pro Bowl team. Haley could not be reached for comment Thursday night. Haley bickered with Boldin and Warner during the NFC championship game. And when he was an assistant with the Cowboys, Haley had several run-ins with flamboyant receiver Terrell Owens. The source said when Waters informed Haley of his desire to relocate, Kansas City’s coach scolded Waters and indicated that the Chiefs would not release Waters from his contract. Waters signed a seven-year contract extension with the Chiefs in 2005. Waters, a four-time Pro Bowler, is 32 and would seemingly have decent trade value. Waters declined public comment on Thursday. He is the second high-priced Chiefs offensive star to ask for his release. Running back Larry Johnson has repeatedly asked to be let go. All-pro tight end Tony Gonzalez expressed disappointment when coach Herm Edwards was fired and has stated he will take a wait-and-see approach with the new regime. Waters’ dissatisfaction is surprising given his reputation as a locker-room leader and his dedication to the organization. Waters is heavily involved in charitable activity in the Kansas City community and was a finalist for the NFL’s 2008 Man of the Year Award. According to the source, Waters flew to Kansas City specifically to meet with Haley and Pioli and hear their plan for the direction of the organization. Pioli declined to meet with Waters, saying they had nothing to discuss, the source said. And Haley began his hallway conversation with Waters by proclaiming that 22 players off the street could win two games, the source said. Waters considered his options Wednesday, flew to Dallas and then tried reaching owner Clark Hunt and Pioli before telling Haley on Thursday that he felt their differences were irreconcible, the source said. Waters joined the Chiefs in 2000 and became a starter in 2001.
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02-27-2009, 06:28 AM	#198
beach tribe Keep doubting J MFing Houston Join Date: May 2007 Location: ft.lauderdale Casino cash: $3948036	Waters.
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02-27-2009, 06:35 AM	#199
Red Dawg Going home eventually Join Date: Dec 2002 Casino cash: $1322858	This is BS. He flew to KC to hear the plan for the off season. As if coaches have private meetings with guards about that. If Brian wants to move on then let him. Scott doesn't need players that don't want to be here. Trade 'em all I say and get some hungry players that want to win. __________________ If you're not first you're last!
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nychief MVP Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: NYC Casino cash: $5379466	Perhaps Brian just wanted to show off his championship rings to the new guys? No wonder we have lost for so long... our players are babied... take off the diapers Todd. Also I love this part: "And Haley began his hallway conversation with Waters by proclaiming that 22 players off the street could win two games, the source said." __________________ Good Time Charlie, Uncle Doobie and the Great Frisco Freakout.
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KCUnited Cheat Death Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Land of Drincoln Casino cash: $-1531756	This is bs. My girlfriend has a friend that works down at Epic Nails. Apperently Brian flew in to have his eyebrows manicured and thought he might get a word in with Scott and Todd while he was he. This is a non story.
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02-27-2009, 06:55 AM	#204
beach tribe Keep doubting J MFing Houston Join Date: May 2007 Location: ft.lauderdale Casino cash: $3948036	I'm pretty sure Whitlock wrote this to create contempt for our new FO, and HC. Didn't quite work out the way he planned.
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02-27-2009, 07:09 AM	#208
FringeNC MVP Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: NC Casino cash: $-1703986	Didn't Waters make some bizarre comment along the lines that any future success the Chiefs had would be because of *Herm Edwards*?
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