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**Tribal Warfare** · 02-27-2009, 12:06 AM

Chiefs’ All-Pro guard Waters wants out of Kansas City
By JASON WHITLOCK
The Kansas City Star

Chiefs Pro Bowl guard Brian Waters asked the organization Thursday to release or trade him this offseason, according to a source with knowledge of the situation.

Waters asked for his release two days after a brief meeting with new head coach Todd Haley and after being told by first-time general manager Scott Pioli that he had no interest in meeting with Waters, the source said.

Waters, according to the source, was offended and shocked by the arrogance of Haley and Pioli. Waters’ meeting with Haley and follow-up phone conversations confirmed in the nine-year vet’s mind that the negative reports about Haley that he heard from Arizona Cardinals players while at the Pro Bowl were accurate, according to the source.

The Cardinals players told Waters and tight end Tony Gonzalez that Haley, Arizona’s offensive coordinator, was aloof, condescending and ignored by veterans, the source said. Anquan Boldin, Kurt Warner and Larry Fitzgerald Jr. — Arizona’s offensive stars — were all members of the NFC Pro Bowl team.

Haley could not be reached for comment Thursday night. Haley bickered with Boldin and Warner during the NFC championship game. And when he was an assistant with the Cowboys, Haley had several run-ins with flamboyant receiver Terrell Owens.

The source said when Waters informed Haley of his desire to relocate, Kansas City’s coach scolded Waters and indicated that the Chiefs would not release Waters from his contract. Waters signed a seven-year contract extension with the Chiefs in 2005. Waters, a four-time Pro Bowler, is 32 and would seemingly have decent trade value.

Waters declined public comment on Thursday.

He is the second high-priced Chiefs offensive star to ask for his release. Running back Larry Johnson has repeatedly asked to be let go. All-pro tight end Tony Gonzalez expressed disappointment when coach Herm Edwards was fired and has stated he will take a wait-and-see approach with the new regime.

Waters’ dissatisfaction is surprising given his reputation as a locker-room leader and his dedication to the organization. Waters is heavily involved in charitable activity in the Kansas City community and was a finalist for the NFL’s 2008 Man of the Year Award.

According to the source, Waters flew to Kansas City specifically to meet with Haley and Pioli and hear their plan for the direction of the organization. Pioli declined to meet with Waters, saying they had nothing to discuss, the source said. And Haley began his hallway conversation with Waters by proclaiming that 22 players off the street could win two games, the source said.

Waters considered his options Wednesday, flew to Dallas and then tried reaching owner Clark Hunt and Pioli before telling Haley on Thursday that he felt their differences were irreconcible, the source said.

Waters joined the Chiefs in 2000 and became a starter in 2001.

KC kid · 02-27-2009, 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Leaders don't show up unannounced during the most important part of the offseason, and demand to be told the direction of the franchise, then cry to the media when they are told to pound sand.

Amen

keg in kc · 02-27-2009, 12:38 PM

Waters was part of the "leadership" of this team when they went 4-12 and 2-14.

I have no problem with him taking that "leadership" elsewhere.

And has has been said about 3 billion times today, we're probably not even getting half the story, since the team isn't saying anything. Whitlock's a shit-stirrer who's doing his job...

**OnTheWarpath15** · 02-27-2009, 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by rad

I don't think being a commissioner for a Fantasy league exactly qualifies..

**Dylan** · 02-27-2009, 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefRon

Actually, Haley's probably right about that. Anybody catch the lineup Gretz put together of the FAs?

Could these guys win 2 games?

WR – Laveranues Coles had 70 catches for 850 yards and seven touchdowns for the Jets; Marvin Harrison had 60 catches for 636 yards and five touchdowns for the Colts.

TE – Chris Baker caught 21 passes for 194 yards for the Jets.

OT – Ephraim Salaam played in 14 games for the Texans; Kwame Harris played 13 games with the Raiders.

G – Jeremy Bridges played in 14 games for the Panthers.

C — open

QB – Trent Green threw for 525 yards for the Rams; Damon Huard threw for 477 yards for the Chiefs

RB – Warrick Dunn ran 186 times for 786 yards with the Buccaneers

FB – Justin Griffith caught nine passes for 85 yards and a touchdown with the Raiders

DE—Anthony Weaver had 43 tackles and one interception in 16 games for the Texans; Kalimba Edwards had five sacks in 15 games for the Raiders

DT — open

LB – Derrick Brooks had 111 tackles, one interception and one forced fumble for the Bucs; Cato June had 104 tackles and one interception for the Bucs; Marcus Washington had 40 tackles in nine games with the Redskins.

CB – Chris McAlister had 19 tackles, three interceptions and a fumble recovery for the Ravens; Dre Bly had 62 tackles, two interceptions and one forced fumble for the Broncos.

S – Gibril Wilson had two interceptions in 16 games for the Raiders; Will Demps had 30 tackles in eight games for the Texans.

ChiefRon...I think you left out something -- four years Wilson played for the Giants. ...

UPDATE: Gibril Wilson signed a five-year deal with the Miami Dolphins

This is a big move for the Dolphins, as both of their starting safeties will head to free agency Friday. Wilson is one of the best tackling safeties in the NFL, and has played on winning teams before the aforementioned Oakland exile. He even enjoy the occasional harassing of the opposing passer (as seen in the Super Bowl photo below).

DaWolf · 02-27-2009, 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by keg in kc

Waters was part of the "leadership" of this team when they went 4-12 and 2-14.

I have no problem with him taking that "leadership" elsewhere.

And has has been said about 3 billion times today, we're probably not even getting half the story, since the team isn't saying anything. Whitlock's a shit-stirrer who's doing his job...

If he runs a Parcells-like camp, expect to hear even more crying from some of the babies on this team. There is going to be a major weeding out process this year...

Reerun_KC · 02-27-2009, 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by DaWolf

If he runs a Parcells-like camp, expect to hear even more crying from some of the babies on this team. There is going to be a major weeding out process this year...

Time to build a football team...

Crush · 02-27-2009, 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Reerun_KC

Time to build a football team...

Amen.

Chiefnj2 · 02-27-2009, 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by DaWolf

If he runs a Parcells-like camp, expect to hear even more crying from some of the babies on this team. There is going to be a major weeding out process this year...

Vermeil didn't run tough camps?

**kysirsoze** · 02-27-2009, 01:00 PM

If Waters said in an interview that the offseason is for business, then it follows that his proposed meeting was for business, not just a friendly chat.

I kind of sounds to me like Waters wanted the trade anyway and is using this denied meeting as an excuse for the media.

Crush · 02-27-2009, 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

Vermeil didn't run tough camps?

He would then choke up and cry about how "he was so proud of them."

Reerun_KC · 02-27-2009, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

Vermeil didn't run tough camps?

DV doesnt matter anymore.... He's gone and so are the ways of mediocrity...

DaWolf · 02-27-2009, 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

Vermeil didn't run tough camps?

Vermeil ran LONG practices, but came into KC as the kinder, friendlier DV, not the one who his Lambs players almost revolted on, so I doubt his practices were as physical as, say, Marty's were...

Crush · 02-27-2009, 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Reerun_KC

DV doesnt matter anymore.... He's gone and so are the ways of mediocrity...

Hallelujah.

raybec 4 · 02-27-2009, 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Crush

He would then choke up and cry about how "he was so proud of them."

"I am so sorry I made you guys work so hard, how about everyone comes to my place to talk about their feelings."

MOhillbilly · 02-27-2009, 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by DaWolf

Vermeil ran LONG practices, but came into KC as the kinder, friendlier DV, not the one who his Lambs players almost revolted on, so I doubt his practices were as physical as, say, Marty's were...

a 5 hour practice was a regular deal when DV was in KC.

02-27-2009, 12:06 AM
Tribal Warfare Man of Culture Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Far Beyond Comprehension Casino cash: $-2907187	Whitlock: Chiefs’ All-Pro guard Waters wants out of Kansas City Chiefs’ All-Pro guard Waters wants out of Kansas City By JASON WHITLOCK The Kansas City Star Chiefs Pro Bowl guard Brian Waters asked the organization Thursday to release or trade him this offseason, according to a source with knowledge of the situation. Waters asked for his release two days after a brief meeting with new head coach Todd Haley and after being told by first-time general manager Scott Pioli that he had no interest in meeting with Waters, the source said. Waters, according to the source, was offended and shocked by the arrogance of Haley and Pioli. Waters’ meeting with Haley and follow-up phone conversations confirmed in the nine-year vet’s mind that the negative reports about Haley that he heard from Arizona Cardinals players while at the Pro Bowl were accurate, according to the source. The Cardinals players told Waters and tight end Tony Gonzalez that Haley, Arizona’s offensive coordinator, was aloof, condescending and ignored by veterans, the source said. Anquan Boldin, Kurt Warner and Larry Fitzgerald Jr. — Arizona’s offensive stars — were all members of the NFC Pro Bowl team. Haley could not be reached for comment Thursday night. Haley bickered with Boldin and Warner during the NFC championship game. And when he was an assistant with the Cowboys, Haley had several run-ins with flamboyant receiver Terrell Owens. The source said when Waters informed Haley of his desire to relocate, Kansas City’s coach scolded Waters and indicated that the Chiefs would not release Waters from his contract. Waters signed a seven-year contract extension with the Chiefs in 2005. Waters, a four-time Pro Bowler, is 32 and would seemingly have decent trade value. Waters declined public comment on Thursday. He is the second high-priced Chiefs offensive star to ask for his release. Running back Larry Johnson has repeatedly asked to be let go. All-pro tight end Tony Gonzalez expressed disappointment when coach Herm Edwards was fired and has stated he will take a wait-and-see approach with the new regime. Waters’ dissatisfaction is surprising given his reputation as a locker-room leader and his dedication to the organization. Waters is heavily involved in charitable activity in the Kansas City community and was a finalist for the NFL’s 2008 Man of the Year Award. According to the source, Waters flew to Kansas City specifically to meet with Haley and Pioli and hear their plan for the direction of the organization. Pioli declined to meet with Waters, saying they had nothing to discuss, the source said. And Haley began his hallway conversation with Waters by proclaiming that 22 players off the street could win two games, the source said. Waters considered his options Wednesday, flew to Dallas and then tried reaching owner Clark Hunt and Pioli before telling Haley on Thursday that he felt their differences were irreconcible, the source said. Waters joined the Chiefs in 2000 and became a starter in 2001.
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keg in kc oxymoron Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: OP/KC/Whatever Casino cash: $9556299	Waters was part of the "leadership" of this team when they went 4-12 and 2-14. I have no problem with him taking that "leadership" elsewhere. And has has been said about 3 billion times today, we're probably not even getting half the story, since the team isn't saying anything. Whitlock's a shit-stirrer who's doing his job...
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02-27-2009, 01:00 PM	#504
kysirsoze SNAP THE ****ING BALL!!! Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: KCMO Casino cash: $146946	If Waters said in an interview that the offseason is for business, then it follows that his proposed meeting was for business, not just a friendly chat. I kind of sounds to me like Waters wanted the trade anyway and is using this denied meeting as an excuse for the media.
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