vrabel a chief

[keg in kc]

Originally Posted by DaWolf

So we get Vrabel and Cassel and the Pats first for our first and third plus some more flips? I wouldn't do that personally, but it's not the craziest thing I've read...

Still way too much to give up for Cassel.

Somebody on the radio just mentioned they'd heard we were in the running for houshmandzadeh. That could make things interesting. Bowe and Housh would not be Moss and Welker by any stretch, but we could do worse. Find some linemen and maybe there's enough there to carry Cassel the way the pats did last year.

[crazycoffey]

Originally Posted by keg in kc

Still way too much to give up for Cassel.

Somebody on the radio just mentioned they'd heard we were in the running for houshmandzadeh. That could make things interesting. Bowe and Housh would not be Moss and Welker by any stretch, but we could do worse. Find some linemen and maybe there's enough there to carry Cassel the way the pats did last year.

depends on what our HC and Gailey think about him. Personally he has one big leg up on the draftees, he's actually played at NFL speed. I like stafford at #3, or this trade more than I actually like Sanchez, just my 2 cents.

[keg in kc]

Originally Posted by CrazyCoffey

depends on what our HC and Gailey think about him. Personally he has one big leg up on the draftees, he's actually played at NFL speed. I like stafford at #3, or this trade more than I actually like Sanchez, just my 2 cents.

I think when you're talking about a pick that high, ceiling has to be at least as important as immediate impact. He's obviously more ready right now than any rookie will be, but what can you expect him to be long term?

It seems like an awful lot to me, because I don't think his ceiling is all that high, although I also think if they do give up that much, they must believe he's an elite talent on a Brady/Manning level.

[crazycoffey]

Originally Posted by keg in kc

I think when you're talking about a pick that high, ceiling has to be at least as important as immediate impact. He's obviously more ready right now than any rookie will be, but what can you expect him to be long term?

It seems like an awful lot to me, because I don't think his ceiling is all that high, although I also think if they do give up that much, they must believe he's an elite talent on a Brady/Manning level.

I understand, he's only had one good year in an NFL system, doesn't mean that it equals to long term success, but then isn't that also the arguement about Sanchez?

[SAUTO]

Originally Posted by CrazyCoffey

I understand, he's only had one good year in an NFL system, doesn't mean that it equals to long term success, but then isn't that also the arguement about Sanchez?

yep, and like you said earlier he's actually played in the league

[keg in kc]

Originally Posted by CrazyCoffey

I understand, he's only had one good year in an NFL system, doesn't mean that it equals to long term success, but then isn't that also the arguement about Sanchez?

You're only talking about the risk side of the equation, and not the reward. The risk is obviously greater with any rookie QB taken high (sanchez or stafford or anybody...), but most would argue that the potential reward is also much higher.

Anyway, Sanchez doesn't really fit into what I was talking about. The question I was raising was what the potential reward is, long term, with Cassel himself. And again, I think if you're giving that combination of picks up, you're expecting him to be a star, regardless of what you think about Sanchez or Stafford or anybody else.

[crazycoffey]

Originally Posted by keg in kc

You're only talking about the risk side of the equation, and not the reward. The risk is obviously greater with any rookie QB taken high (sanchez or stafford or anybody...), but most would argue that the potential reward is also much higher.

Anyway, Sanchez doesn't really fit into what I was talking about. The question I was raising was what the potential reward is, long term, with Cassel himself. And again, I think if you're giving that combination of picks up, you're expecting him to be a star, regardless of what you think about Sanchez or Stafford or anybody else.

No I was talking about both the risk and reward, stafford/sanchez/cassell are all risks and all have potential rewards.

[keg in kc]

Originally Posted by CrazyCoffey

No I was talking about both the risk and reward, stafford/sanchez/cassell are all risks and all have potential rewards.

I don't really see what stafford, sanchez or anybody else have to do with what I said. I'm not saying I think it's a high price for cassel because I want somebody else; I'm saying I think it's a high price for cassel because I think it's a high price for cassel...

[dirk digler]

Originally Posted by keg in kc

Still way too much to give up for Cassel.

Somebody on the radio just mentioned they'd heard we were in the running for houshmandzadeh. That could make things interesting. Bowe and Housh would not be Moss and Welker by any stretch, but we could do worse. Find some linemen and maybe there's enough there to carry Cassel the way the pats did last year.

Now that would be awesome.