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Old 02-27-2009, 01:24 PM  
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Old 02-27-2009, 04:21 PM   #556
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Edwards.

Like I said, I'd really have no problem with this had we signed him as a FA.

I'd really have no problem if he had more than 2 years left in the tank, or if we weren't rebuilding from scratch and needing every possible pick we can get our hands on.
You can't compare Edwards to Vrabel. One has been in 3 SB's and has rings to show for it while the other hasn't really won any big games.

Plus all this talk about Waters not being a leader is the same for Edwards. He didn't lead shit the last 2 years so maybe I was wrong about the whole Waters thing and they just don't respect any of these players because of the horrible record they had.
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Old 02-27-2009, 04:22 PM   #557
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Edwards.

Like I said, I'd really have no problem with this had we signed him as a FA.

I'd really have no problem if he had more than 2 years left in the tank, or if we weren't rebuilding from scratch and needing every possible pick we can get our hands on.


I completely understand and respect your take on it. I do think bringing him in as a immediate vet/locker room/field coach could be worth a 5-7. I think 4 or higher would be too much, but I can get behind the thought process. Donnie was brought in for that under Herm/Gun. Was behind that too. This could prove to be equally as futile, or it could spark a completely different frame of mind in the players than they currently have. Waters complaining/Vrabel supporting of the current situation, could be cancer/cure scenerio.
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Old 02-27-2009, 04:23 PM   #558
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You're the dumbass, good sir. You, yourself, admitted that you're disagreeing with Pioli on this issue. Forget I said anything about Hamas, concentrate on, you know... the MAIN POINT of my argument. Thanks.
That's right.

I'm DISAGREEING.

Not "up in arms."

Not "blowing a gasket."

Disagreeing.

Please quit putting words in my mouth, especially when my words are here in print for everyone to see.

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Old 02-27-2009, 04:24 PM   #559
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That's right.

I'm DISAGREEING.

Not "up in arms."

Not "blowing a gasket."

Disagreeing.

Please quit putting words in my mouth, especially when my words are here in print for everyone to see.

K?

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Goddamn dude, quit freaking out.
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Old 02-27-2009, 04:26 PM   #560
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Edwards.
Right or wrong I think Pioli was looking for someone has a detailed knowledge of the way he wants things run in the locker room and on defense. An anti-Waters that has completely bought into the system and the "Patriots Way."

Edwards really doesn't fit bill and off the top of my head I can't think of any FA that could fill that role like Vrabel either.
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Old 02-27-2009, 04:27 PM   #561
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You can't compare Edwards to Vrabel. One has been in 3 SB's and has rings to show for it while the other hasn't really won any big games.

Plus all this talk about Waters not being a leader is the same for Edwards. He didn't lead shit the last 2 years so maybe I was wrong about the whole Waters thing and they just don't respect any of these players because of the horrible record they had.
So we traded for a guy that brings nothing more than Edwards did on the field, but traded for him because he's won a SB?

BFD.

Christ, if leadership was that important, we could have signed a 30-something, declining Ray Lewis, who is 10X the leader Vrabel is and has won a SB as well - got a better player in doing so,and kept that pick.

*Not advocating signing Lewis, using him to make a point.
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Old 02-27-2009, 04:27 PM   #562
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I understand, he's only had one good year in an NFL system, doesn't mean that it equals to long term success, but then isn't that also the arguement about Sanchez?
You're only talking about the risk side of the equation, and not the reward. The risk is obviously greater with any rookie QB taken high (sanchez or stafford or anybody...), but most would argue that the potential reward is also much higher.

Anyway, Sanchez doesn't really fit into what I was talking about. The question I was raising was what the potential reward is, long term, with Cassel himself. And again, I think if you're giving that combination of picks up, you're expecting him to be a star, regardless of what you think about Sanchez or Stafford or anybody else.
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Old 02-27-2009, 04:28 PM   #563
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Goddamn dude, quit freaking out.
I'm sick of being attacked, and having words put in my mouth.

Sorry if you feel that defending myself = freaking out.
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Old 02-27-2009, 04:28 PM   #564
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Christ, is every opinion different from yours always going to mean the opinion giver doesn't like football? Plus I'd like to see you try to come hurt me. Cassell is a Franchise QB, isn't that what you want?
That was figurative, butt monkey.

And to answer your question:

I would much rather take a shot at acquiring and developing a possible Tom Brady/John Elway(insert your favorite winning QB here), than settle for a known Matt Cassell.
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Old 02-27-2009, 04:29 PM   #565
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Old 02-27-2009, 04:29 PM   #566
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I'm sick of being attacked, and having words put in my mouth.

Sorry if you feel that defending myself = freaking out.
I guess I should have said "having a cow" or "going through the roof", it probably would have made the joke more obvious. My bad.
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Old 02-27-2009, 04:29 PM   #567
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So we traded for a guy that brings nothing more than Edwards did on the field.
Edwards career is over and Vrabel's isn't. It isn't that hard to understand.
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Old 02-27-2009, 04:31 PM   #568
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Edwards career is over and Vrabel's isn't. It isn't that hard to understand.
Edwards career wasn't thought to be over before he came back here to stink out loud.
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Old 02-27-2009, 04:31 PM   #569
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So we traded for a guy that brings nothing more than Edwards did on the field, but traded for him because he's won a SB?

BFD.

Christ, if leadership was that important, we could have signed a 30-something, declining Ray Lewis, who is 10X the leader Vrabel is and has won a SB as well - got a better player in doing so,and kept that pick.

*Not advocating signing Lewis, using him to make a point.
Cmon OTW. They signed him to bring leadership to the locker room and because he is a winner that brings respect. Also Vrabel had a good season in 2007 but was hurt last year so maybe he has 1-2 good to solid seasons left and also helps the D with leadership and the 3-4 scheme.

Like I said I am good with this as long as the pick is low.
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So we traded for a guy that brings nothing more than Edwards did on the field, but traded for him because he's won a SB?

BFD.

Christ, if leadership was that important, we could have signed a 30-something, declining Ray Lewis, who is 10X the leader Vrabel is and has won a SB as well - got a better player in doing so,and kept that pick.

*Not advocating signing Lewis, using him to make a point.
Vrabel was a first team All Pro the year before last. This past season, he played most of the year with an injury and didn't have Thomas (injured), Seau (retired) or Colvin (gone) to help him for much of the season. What he did have was two rookies playing big minutes (Mayo, Guyton) and opposing teams keying on him since he was the only OLB capable of getting to the QB.

I'm sure Edwards is exactly the same, though.
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