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Old 02-27-2009, 01:24 PM  
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Old 02-27-2009, 05:14 PM   #661
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it is very funny that people are blowing their stacks here about pioli. all he has done so far has been cut some dead weight and bring in a veteran linebacker.

yeah, he's old. so what? are there any leaders on that defense at all? who was the leader last year, Edwards, who played in 7 games and was invisible?

he's a veteran player who can help the young linebackers make the transition to 3-4. not going to waste a bunch of e-rage over it
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Old 02-27-2009, 05:15 PM   #662
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So, which is it?

People are complaining that we haven't spent any of the $57M we have available, now were talking about saving money?

Again, I'm not advocating signing Lewis.

But if you're giving me a choice between signing Lewis, or trading for Vrabel, and those are my only two choices - give me the better player everytime.
Those aren't the only two choices though. Maybe Vrabel gives us depth at OLB so that we can move DJ inside (where Lewis would play), reducing the need for Curry so that we can draft Sanchez at #3.

They're not operating in a vacuum. Every move has consequences. We're getting an experienced player with multiple championship rings at a low price. He's not going to be expected to start.
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Old 02-27-2009, 05:15 PM   #663
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I don't know why you think that Vrabel would refuse to come.

I'm just saying that Ray Lewis's ego would not allow him to come to a team like the Chiefs.
I'm not saying he'd refuse to come because he was traded.

But he's no different from Lewis in the regard that he's tasted winning, and isn't going to willingly spend the last two years of his career playing for a bottom feeder.

He went from a solid chance at going out on top, to playing for a rebuilding team, and having all of the leadership responsibilities heaped on him.

I doubt he's doing cartwheels right now.
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Old 02-27-2009, 05:17 PM   #664
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I'm not saying he'd refuse to come because he was traded.

But he's no different from Lewis in the regard that he's tasted winning, and isn't going to willingly spend the last two years of his career playing for a bottom feeder.

He went from a solid chance at going out on top, to playing for a rebuilding team, and having all of the leadership responsibilities heaped on him.

I doubt he's doing cartwheels right now.
He's won 3 championships.

How would his career be viewed if the Chiefs went 9-7 next year, won a playoff game, and then went to the Super Bowl the next (his last year)?

Just think about that for a minute.
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Old 02-27-2009, 05:18 PM   #665
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it is very funny that people are blowing their stacks here about pioli. all he has done so far has been cut some dead weight and bring in a veteran linebacker.

yeah, he's old. so what? are there any leaders on that defense at all? who was the leader last year, Edwards, who played in 7 games and was invisible?

he's a veteran player who can help the young linebackers make the transition to 3-4. not going to waste a bunch of e-rage over it
What's even funnier is that none of us knows what the deal was and if its part of something more or anything yet people have thrown themselves off the bridge already.
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Old 02-27-2009, 05:21 PM   #666
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He's won 3 championships.

How would his career be viewed if the Chiefs went 9-7 next year, won a playoff game, and then went to the Super Bowl the next (his last year)?

Just think about that for a minute.
C'mon, Parker.

Come down from the cloud you're posting from and join the real world.

I mean, that's some WPI-quality fluff.

Please stop. You're scaring me.
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Old 02-27-2009, 05:21 PM   #667
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I'll have to see what the pick is before I really decide one way or the other.
This really should be thread over.
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Old 02-27-2009, 05:22 PM   #668
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not going to waste a bunch of e-rage over it
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Old 02-27-2009, 05:22 PM   #669
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They are only more valuable in the 3-4 because the OLBs are the DE's IE pass rushers and I just said a pass rusher is worth the pick so I did cover that.
Not every LB in a 3-4 has to be a pass rusher to have an impact.
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Old 02-27-2009, 05:22 PM   #670
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Old 02-27-2009, 05:22 PM   #671
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He's won 3 championships.

How would his career be viewed if the Chiefs went 9-7 next year, won a playoff game, and then went to the Super Bowl the next (his last year)?

Just think about that for a minute.
i agree with this. pioli comes with a certain amount of credibility already. i will trust that he knows what he is doing.
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Old 02-27-2009, 05:24 PM   #672
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He's won 3 championships.

How would his career be viewed if the Chiefs went 9-7 next year, won a playoff game, and then went to the Super Bowl the next (his last year)?

Just think about that for a minute.
That's actually possible, IMO......but it greatly hinges on how #3 is spent.
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Old 02-27-2009, 05:25 PM   #673
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Not every LB in a 3-4 has to be a pass rusher to have an impact.
For the money he is getting as the 3rd overall pick he better be.
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it is very funny that people are blowing their stacks here about pioli. all he has done so far has been cut some dead weight and bring in a veteran linebacker.

yeah, he's old. so what? are there any leaders on that defense at all? who was the leader last year, Edwards, who played in 7 games and was invisible?

he's a veteran player who can help the young linebackers make the transition to 3-4. not going to waste a bunch of e-rage over it
Damn right! I have no problem with having a leader on the field with 3 rings for the next two seasons. He will be teacher for our youngsters.
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i agree with this. pioli comes with a certain amount of credibility already. i will trust that he knows what he is doing.
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