vrabel a chief

[oldandslow]

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[CrazyHorse]

Originally Posted by Bwana

Ok, I have been reading some of this thread, but there is no way in hell I am busting through all the posts. It looks like 70% of the posts are related to a pissing contest, 20% football and 10% who the **** knows? Can someone give me cliff notes on the trade.

Cheers,

Bwana

Nobody knows the comp. We traded for Vrabel.

That pretty much sums it up.

[58-4ever]

Without searching the entire thread, has compensation been determined yet??

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by Bwana

Ok, I have been reading some of this thread, but there is no way in hell I am busting through all the posts. It looks like 70% of the posts are related to a pissing contest, 20% football and 10% who the **** knows? Can someone give me cliff notes on the trade.

Cheers,

Bwana

yes, i hate when people piss back and forth because it makes me uninterested in the thread within the first couple pages...

[Bugeater]

Sooo...has it been disclosed what we gave up for this guy yet?

Edit: never mind

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Dude.

You've done nothing but follow me around for the last month and make false accusations, play loosely with facts and flat out make shit up that I "supposedly" said.

I'm not asking you to split ****ing atoms here.

I'm asking you to act like a man and quit accusing people of saying things they didn't say to give you something to argue.

If you don't know for sure, and aren't willing to verify, you shouldn't make claims about people or their comments.

If you don't like being called out, quit pulling your bullshit.

Thanks for taking my spot, I've enjoyed the break.

[Bwana]

Thanks gents.

[rad]

Originally Posted by Bugeater

Sooo...has it been disclosed what we gave up for this guy yet?

Most of us are hoping it's the Sims pick from the Bucs.

Sims for Vrabel = good trade

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by rad

Most of us are hoping it's the Sims pick from the Bucs.

Sims for Vrabel = good trade

I'm pretty sure we've gotten all the compensation we're going to get from the Sims and Bennett deals.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

C'mon, Parker.

Come down from the cloud you're posting from and join the real world.

I mean, that's some WPI-quality fluff.

Please stop. You're scaring me.

I never said it was likely.

But I can guarantee you guys Vrabel's age think about shit like this. It's what leads guys like Kurt Warner to sign in Arizona and guys like Favre to sign in New York.

For guys that have won it all, they have to find a new challenge. Taking a 6-26 team all the way is the ultimate accomplishment.

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

I never said it was likely.

But I can guarantee you guys Vrabel's age thing about shit like this. It's what leads guys like Kurt Warner to sign in Arizona and guys like Favre to sign in New York.

For guys that have won it all, they have to find a new challenge. Taking a 6-26 team all the way is the ultimate accomplishment.

I can see it from a QB perspective, because the games ride on their shoulders more than any other player on the field.

LB, not so much.

But I see your point.

[Bugeater]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

I'm pretty sure we've gotten all the compensation we're going to get from the Sims and Bennett deals.

Yeah, I thought we got a pick last year, I don't recall there being a second one for Sims.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

I can see it from a QB perspective, because the games ride on their shoulders more than any other player on the field.

LB, not so much.

But I see your point.

It's not just the game, it's the leadership thing we've all been talking about.

If he comes in here as a spot player but a team captain, and the defense goes from last to top 10 in one year, he's a fuggin hero. At the end of the day, ego is a big motivator for guys that make millions of dollars playing a game...

[rad]

Originally Posted by Bugeater

Yeah, I thought we got a pick last year, I don't recall there being a second one for Sims.

Oh yeah, my bad.....

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Originally Posted by Mecca

No...LB is a position where the idea of long term solutions is a little overblown you should be able to cycle guys in, it's the RB of defense.

Yes! This!

Originally Posted by BostonTim

Funny situation. The response on PatriotsPlanet is a strong majority quite upset at losing Vrable. I am very sorry to see him go. Here its seems a majority are upset at getting him.

You may or may not find this helpful. Belichick and his tree are strong advocates for the kind of Veteran Leadership that George Allen pioneered.
You have a young team and Pioli strongly believes in veteran leadership. Vrable is one of the smartest players in football (currently a candidate to head the players association and at least possibly your player rep) and this will allow him to be a leader in general and especially, if you are going to adopt a 3-4 component, as a leader in particular. LB's are the cornerstone of the 3-4 and Mike has played, and mastered all the nuance of all four of the linebacker slots in the 3-4. He would be invaluable in the transition process. RIGHT NOW, not next year. This is his final year on his existing K, so you should provbably look at this as a 1 year transitional move.

IMO Mike was the greatest FA signing in Pats history (The first game I ever went to was Game 3, Year 1 of the American Football league, 1960) and I've been a Pats fan since day 1. Vrable has been a rock solid player for 8 years. Always plays, very few injuries. he was fine last year and surely can contribute now.

I know you'll worry about the price you pay, but I don't think you need worry about the concept.

Cheers, BostonTim

Thanks for the inside take. We'll see how this all pans out, and I'm not really worried about much of anything at the moment regarding our defense that doesn't have to do with our Corners. Everybody else on that "D" can go ride a Herpes Boat to Haiti.

Originally Posted by mlyonsd

This is all about teaching a defense and not about his long term contributions.

It's like some of you expected to be the Cardinals next year. Let's see what we had to pay before getting all excited about it.

Did not/Do not expect, Did not/Do not want.

Originally Posted by Just Passin' By

1.) Pioli came from the Patriots. The Patriots do things in a certain way.

2.) Gonzalez did not come from the Patriots. He does not know that way.

3.) Vrabel is a linebacker, Gonzalez is a tight end. One is offense, one defense.

4.) Cultivating their own leaders got the Chiefs 2 wins last season.

5.) Ray Lewis is also 34, and he'll cost a lot more than Vrabel.

What is so difficult about this for you to grasp?

We agree on exactly two things in this world.

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

I'm ****ing tired of this 'Patriot Way' bullshit.

There is no "Patriot Way" there is the Belichick Way, and that only works because he's the greatest X's and O's coach in the history of the league who also happened to fall into the greatest draft pick of all time.

What have Eric Mangini and Romeo Crennel won with the same strategy? Jack sucking ****.

Maybe, just maybe it's the guy whose defensive gameplan from a Super Bowl ended up in the Hall of Fame due to its brilliance and not the idea that bringing in 800 year old linebackers because they are "leaders" is somehow a panacea.

Originally Posted by Mecca

When you call him Sauto I think of some little asian guy furiously typing at his PC.

Originally Posted by Mecca

Thanks for taking my spot, I've enjoyed the break.

[rad]

Someone said earlier that a poster on PP said they would rather have seen Brady traded.....I called BS...until I found it:

http://www.patriotsplanet.com/BB/sho...6&postcount=22

As I said in my first post Dave, I would have been much happier and would feel much brighter for our future if TFB was the trade bait here. How would that have hit you?

Trade away an over 30 QB coming off of a series of botched multi-ligament repairs with a proven more than capable QB to replace him, or Trade away Vrabes, without the medical issues, and no one to replace him?